I meant when you fight as Ryu vs Gouki.
Nothing there either. Ryu notes Goukiās similarities to Gouken, says that he thinks he can recall Gouki from sometime before, most likely when Gouken defeated Gouki and Ryu + Ken were younger, and then Ryu challenges Gouki like any other opponent.
The thing is, a debateās going on for whether Gill knows all 66 already or heās trying to learn them despite it being called an impossible feat, remember thereās nothing for Gill in Eternal or the 15th Anniversary book save his endings and his position in the relations charts. Even the fansites seem to be mildly conflicting with this amongst themselves. I think Iāll need to ask D.ALF about this one, if he can be specific as to where it came from.
The sentence says, āAs for Retsu, he battled Dan in the midst of training, and the fact is he won.ā With this Iām looking at a similar scenario with Udonās SF #6, with Dan fighting Retsu instead of Ryu, and Dan loses as opposed to Ryu going out of control and on the verge of doing in Retsu before Gouken stops him.
Iām going to work on getting the SMB story and some more CFJ quotes that got eaten back up. sano or Hcparker, if one of you can remind me which Guile quotes you wanted, thatād be great. Thanks.
Also Hcparker, please just bear with me on translations when theyāre not always immediately readable. My priority with them is to bring out original intent, and that occasionally means clarity has to be sacrificed. Itās just the reality with going from one tongue to another; you wonāt always have everything be a perfect fit in the transition. You can always ask me what I meant and what my thought process was if something canāt be approximated to your satisfaction, but Iāll only change things if Iāve received an expertās opinion for the time being. Youāll see that Saikiās done this in his faqs from time to time if you go through them, and heās of course better at translating than Iāll ever be, but I feel his scarce language inconsistencies are for the same reasons as mine with these things. So to sum things up, ganbaruze! (hang in there!) :tup:
No worries on the translation thing, Iām just having a little fun. I understand what you mean by original intent and I fully support it, itās just sometimes the original intent in Japanese isnāt clear in English.
As for the Guile quotes and their vice versas: Guile to Alex, Guile to Ryu. Unless theyāve already been done we might want to add Guile to Chun Li and Guile to Vega if nothing else then to see if thereās any info about who took down Vega.
Alright, thatās it, this is how requests by you or anyone else may get delayed, or worseā¦DENIED!!! :badboy: :badboy: :badboy: 
Gotāem all down now, keep checking for them and of course other stuff.
Thanks. According to Saiki, the fight occured long after Dan got kicked out of Goukenās dojo. Speaking of Retsu, both āLives of SFā and āRed Cycloneā explain why Retsu was expelled from the priesthood. However, tan doesnāt translate the sentences good enough so that they make sense. Iāve posted the explanations from both sites and Iād appreciate it if you could attempt translating the sentences below when u get tha chance? Thanks.
(Red Cyclone)
???
(Lives of SF)
??? ???
Btw, āRed Cycloneā has been updated. Birdie has been added to tha ācharacter profiles/biosā page. w00t.
Hey, hey, HEY NOW.
If you could, get together a list of the quotes you have so I can attempt to transcribe into something easier to understand for me at least.
Golden Dragon: sure thing. Got those on the to-do list.
Hcparker: once I post all your requests, sano will update the CFJ faq on Gamefaqs, where you should be able to find all the other quotes Iāve done so far.
I uploaded the Complete File scans http://fightingstreet.com/folders/artworkfolder/artworkpages/sf_art_pages/sfii_art_pages/sfiiww_art_pages/sfiiww_bwart2.html
Iāll be getting some new books soon so there will be lotās of new scans. Iāll translate the whole site to German and maybe some more languages, hopefully one day to Japanese.
Okay, letās try this once more. 10 additional CFJ quotes:
Alex to Ryu
āConclusion?..That cannot likely be applied. I realize that youāre agreeably number one.ā
Ryu to Alex
āThatās rightā¦from there you rise up and come. I question why you still lose.ā
Guile to Alex
āGood eye. If your injuries recover then you will be an opponent.ā
Alex to Guile
āRevenge but, itās not to your advantageā¦unless if it doesnāt sound like becoming your feeling.ā
Guile to Ryu
āHmphā¦how many times I have come around with you. I donāt get used to pleasure from having perfectly won.ā
Ryu to Guile
āThat sharp losing fist, I also continue to polish it.ā
Guile to Chun Li
āHow much the world has probably changed. Our methods will not change.ā
Chun Li to Guile
āIs it still not enough I wonder? If the sharpness from long ago is always increasing?ā
Guile to Vega
āEven if youāre knocked down Iām disgusted with you. What kind of comfort if a requiem passes over?ā
Vega to Guile
āNo feeling of being chewed. Even if flat-out retaliation is achieved coward!ā
and the SMB story:
Super Muscle Bomber Game Story
As the meeting of next fighting series āInternational Blowoutā stepped into a steady countdown one day, suddenly the BWAās leader Astro proposed a new rules, furthermore the CWAās fight didnāt go beyond having provoked a circus show. The new rule, that is with the regulation of employing 3 normal wins by knockout, not counted outside the premises, there are no so-called rope escapes as a pro wrestling guideline was the unusual rule. Naturally, every CWA wrestler fiercely opposed both the organization when the dangerous atmosphere began to flow at that time, as unexpectedly now who had been missing, that legendary Master of Muscle Bomber, Victor Ortega revealed his appearance!
From the fact that Ortega is likely at that spot Astroās indicated rule was approved, moreover it was alright until it was declared to wager the Master of Muscle Bomberās champion belt.
Really where are his true motives? Also why unexpectedly everyone from before revealed their appearances?
Mystery calling out to mystery, anyone can come to realize the reason for his aims.
While there are seemingly growing signs of grand commotion, the International Blowout is finally held.
ā¦And so now, the new challengers each with expectations concealed in their chests, now, in the role of the secret belt to be earned.
āSharpnessā?
Hmmā¦
It does sound like much more likely that Guile was the winner of the second tournament. I think his quotes to Vega are the only ones that specificially reference beating Vega as opposed to destroying Shadoloo.
Red Cyclone
"However as a priest defying instructions, because he opened up personal struggles he was excommunicated.
Lives of SF
"It was the extent of fist skills for which he served under an instructor, because of repeated prohibited personal struggles he became excommunicated."
Thatās a really good quote! Mind if I add that to the question and answer section of the Faq?
Also, the faq has a few more understandable translations of some of the quotes that were asked about in the question and answer section, most by vasili10 and a few by TS. My opinion on it is we should keep them seperate as the translations should be as close to the original as possible. Now, if we wind up getting a huge amount of better explanations for some of the quotes then maybe we can put them underneath vasil110ās original translations, but that will have to save for another update, for now Iām more focused on arranging the quotes in some kind of order.
vasili10 - This time I made sure to print everything out just in case. Iāll start working on the update on Friday, itās gonna be a pretty big update.
Got my Arcadias from Stick-Click! :party: :party: :party: :party: :party:
Agreed, we should keep the speculations seperate from the information we do have that is confirmed.
Good work btw, on Ryuās bastard kid in the Fanart section. We may yet see something like that if Capcom USA does indeed hold the series fate. Maybe Iāll get to work on writing up the story of the Ryu, Sakura, Ken vs. Vega dramatic battle in Z3?
Thanks. Iām going to try and color Ryu/Chunās lilā bastard soon, I want to try out Dr. Martinās Water dyes, Iāve never used them before.
For writing the Dramatic Battle fic as usual, we need all of the fan fics we can get. Thereās a lot of fics going on now which is good, but itās not always that way
So, Iāll quote you about Guileās CFJ quotes leading towards Guile winning SF2 in me and vasili10ās CFE faq unless you really donāt want me to, and youāll be credited of course.
Thatās fine, you can email me if you need my real name.
As for the dramatic battle Iāve got a good idea about it, just need to define Kenās role a little better.
Alright. So itās rumored that Gen took in Y&Yās parents in order to prevent them from getting caught in the middle of the clash among the underworld bosses. With this considered, it seems doubtful that Yun & Yang even MET Gen. Think about it. The japanese āEternal Challengeā doesnāt mention Gen in either Yun or Yangās bios and it seems like they (Y&Y) only know OF Gen, judging by Yunās win quote against Gen. On top of that, āLives of SFā is the only/first japanese fan site that Iāve been to that mentions a Y&Y/Gen connection. However, itās considered only a rumor.
Thanks. So what, he was expelled for repeatedly getting in fights with his peers? I donāt really get it.
Btw, thanx for re-posting tha SMB Game Story. I may have a few Muscle Bomber-related questions/comments in daā future, so WATCH OUT!!!
ārepeated personal strugglesā doesnāt automatically equate to fighting with his peers. If Retsu is indeed based of the typical Japanese monk type character, then the reason maybe considerably less noble.
Was Retsu expelled before or after his participation in the tournament? Or is there any other information about him?
Regarding Yun and Yang, actually they very well could have met him and not known who he was or even remembered it. A big part of their characters appears to rebelling against the norm which means not really paying attention to their ancestors. Yun in particular seems to do that a lot.
They could have met Gen at a young age and simply been unaware or not told it was him (to protect them and prevent them from being used as pawns later o).
Just a minor nitpick:
Musukau:
> Notice how two of Urienās super arts SA2 Jupiter Thunder and SA3 Aegis Reflector, make reference to thunder in greek/roman mythology, Jupiter being the early version of Thor, the thunder god
Thor comes from a completely different mythology to Jupitur. Thor is Norse mythology, while Jupitur/Zeus is Greek/Roman. </mythologygeek>
Retsu was expelled before he entered the SF1 tournament.
Okayā¦ I donāt see why Capcom would come up with such a pointless encounter, but I suppose anything is possible. All Iām saying is that we havenāt found ANY proof that Yun and Yang knew Gen personally or even met him. āLives if SFā is the first and only Japanese source I know of that has mentioned a Y&Y/Gen connection, even tho itās more of a connection between Gen and Y&Yās parents(rather than Gen & Y&Y).