I think having a first solo project that sells well is more important than something original in today’s market. Once he’s established than he can start tinkering around.
Ryu being based (loosely) off of Goku makes this somewhat interesting but I wouldn’t be upset if he lost.
Funamizu’s doing two other games, one is a PSP one, no information is available on it yet. We’ll see if those games are inovative.
Not that I care much if you curse him out since he’s delayed SF4 for a long time and now Capcom USA has the rights. Um… thank you?
Hmm, I vaaaaguely remember a Guy in SF1 connection, but it’s not really clear. I’d like to think that I’d put something like THAT in the plot guide if I got it verified, but sadly, I can’t rely on myself to be perfect so maybe I heard about it but forgot to put it in if it was really true. Oi…
TAS said that RS’s creator didn’t want it associated with Street Fighter because he wanted it to be able to stand on its own two legs, but Capcom or so refused. And for RS2 or so the series was retconned to take place in a later time when the technology (cell phones etc) in the game would actually exist, but… blah, with both series grinded to a halt, I generally don’t care to spend much energy thinking about that sort of thing.
The only FF-SF connection I remember and think is still 100% solid is the Haggar-Gief rivalry.
BTW, Alex’s ending in CFE has him and Haggar being roughly the same size, I’m not sure if we ever really established the basics of the SF3 cast bios like vitals and such.
If all of you can attest to that being 100% solid, that’s fine; I haven’t found it to be so in any Japanese sources yet, relations charts or otherwise.
SF3 bios never included vitals; Capcom omitted them for the SF3 crew.
Hey Sano,I just found out a new scan for Jump SuperStars.There are the characters from YuYu Hakusho,the game’s cover,and a real special treat…COMBINED ATTACKS! See for yourself.
Hey thanks! I know you’re happy to see Naruto team up with Goku! I wish Kuwabara was in it so we could have underdog vs. underdog, Sagara Sanosuke vs. Kuwabara, but with Urameshi Yusuke we could have Bad Ass vs. Bad Ass, Yusuke vs. Sano! Sure, even I’ll attest to Sano loosing this one but he could still beat up on Sanji and Mr. Fullswing just before to rack up some wins. Oh, Luffy can beat up Kenshin since he’s made of rubber, what’s a Sakabato gonna do, heh heh. But before that, Kenshin can beat up Kurama for the ultimate Bishonen battle! (Like Kurama’s large Japanese fan following would allow that one…) And oh yeah, Hei vs. Vegeta, DREAM MATCH! Just after Vegeta kicks Saito Hajime’s Ass of course, and before that Saito can kick Roronoa Zorro’s Ass, ah man, the bad fan fiction ideas are swirling around in my head… oh yeah, now that I can play Japanese PS1 games on my PS2 as well, my import of the Rurouni Kenshin RPG game just came in the mail so I’ll be going hardcore on that. Hmmm. Should I pick the boy so I can meet Saito Hajime or take the girl so I could meet Shinomori Aoshi (you meet one or the other depending on which character you pick), I still can’t decide which path to take first…
Sorry Sano,I forgot to mention that my favorite manga/anime character ever is Uchiha Sasuke.That’s the guy I have in my AV.
With that out of the way,I’m really happy to see for the first and probably last time ever the Rasengan Kamehameha.FUCKING COOL!
Ah, I think I read you say that somewhere, sort of forgot.
Golden Dragon:
> I participated in the original thread. I remember hearing that, but I remember it being someone’s personal opinion or theory. I don’t remember anyone saying it was official.
I can’t remember at this point. Besides, back then, we didn’t have someone like vasilii painstakingly trying to find the source for every goddamned thing that was said. 80% of it was “Saiki said so and so”, with some people doing random fact checks with whatever books they had (All About books being the main ones). If you’re going the super anal fact checking route, you might as well throw out Tiamat’s guide and start over.
> I doubt it was stated in an official source, since Final Fight is stated to have taken place in 1989. I’ve never seen it written in any official source that Final Fight takes place in '87. I could be wrong.
Oh no. I never said that FF was officially stated to have taken place in 1987. What I said was, since it was believed (or maybe just me; I can’t be the only one who heard this) that Guy was supposed to be in SF1 (storyline-wise, not necessarily that he was going to be in the game), but got waylaid by the events of FF1, then FF1 and SF1 had to take place at roughly the same time. And since the SF series has more concrete dates to go off of, not to mention takes priority over FF, then to settle that issue we just ignored the “takes place in 1989” bit and adjusted it to 1987. At least that’s what I did.
If Guy wasn’t supposed to be in SF1 in story, then it doesn’t matter what years the FF games take place in. They would have no effect on SF’s continuity.
EEEP! What have I done?!
Actually though, just about all my trying has been for Ojou-san, and I just happen to come across other stuff instead. What I plan to do at the end of my translating efforts (whenever that will be), is to compile all info together, release them to capable circulators, and say “ok, this is what I’ve managed to confirm through books, and anything else in the plot guide will have to be from Capcom employees or some other sources that I, and apparently everyone else, know nothing about, unless these other portions are stated as opinion.” Hey, just doing my part to plug up as many holes as possible.
Ultima, it may not matter for FF games if Guy was to be in SF1 or not, but it does matter now with the Zero series. Since Zeku was dead for SFZ then alive for SFZ2 then dead again for SFZ3, Capcom made the decision to put Guy’s training during SFZ2 which matched that game’s time with FF2’s. This is why the timeline got altered after SFZ and not every game could happen the same year as their release dates anymore. More on this when I get to the SFZ materials.
In other news, I don’t believe that I’ll be finding these three rare pics in HnN elsewhere so I’ll try scanning them hopefully soon to share with everyone. These will include a very young Chun Li held up by whom Dash no Chris says is Chun Li’s father. I don’t know where they came from prior to being shown in the book, and unfortunately I don’t believe Dash no Chris knows either. Maybe Saiki will know if he ever comes back here.
Wait a minute, when did Zeku die?
I know Maki’s A3 account says Genryusai is dead but I believe his death takes place later (her time) and not at the present (Alpha era).
At the end of SFZ2, Guy’s ending.
I personally do not remember reading about why Guy was not in SF1 in the old Warrior’s Fate Thread, but it’s not something I’d commit to memory anyways. I have printouts of a lot of the old thread but not all of it, I don’t think I have anything like that printed out.
Maybe it’s just because I only have the American version but I don’t recall him dying there. I remember he and Guy fight to see who is the rightful Bushin master but nothing about it being a deathmatch.
vasilli:
> Since Zeku was dead for SFZ then alive for SFZ2 then dead again for SFZ3,
what
> Capcom made the decision to put Guy’s training during SFZ2 which matched that game’s time with FF2’s. This is why the timeline got altered after SFZ and not every game could happen the same year as their release dates anymore
Well duh. I know that. And it makes sense. I thought we were talking about when FF was supposed to have taken place now, i.e. post SFZ, not before?
re: Guy’s ending in Z2.
Hmmmm. Something doesn’t add up: Guy is supposed to be on training during FF2, which takes place at the same time as SFA2. Okay. BUt doesn’t SFA2 take place a year after SF1, i.e. 1988? That would make it at least a full year before FF1, even if you’re so generous as to make SFZ take place in the latter part of 88. Hell, even if you spread out the events of SFA to take place over a long period of time, there’s no way that SFA2 runs into 1990, supposedly when FF2 takes place, cause that’s when SFA3 definitely takes place, and we know that Guy was present for that. So either I’m missing something here, or the “Final Fight in 1989” thing needs to be adjusted. In other words, we’re right back where we started.
re: Zeku
Yikes. That was another bit of contention: Did Zeku die at the end of Alpha 2? There was a train of thought that you had to kill the previous BUsinryu master in order to become the next one, and that Zeku died in Guy’s SFA2 ending, but I believe Saiki said that that wasn’t so, and that Zeku was alive after he fought Guy. So did Zeku die after that, or did Zeku indeed die when he fought Guy? And hence, does one need to kill the previous BUshinryu master in order to become the next one?
I would lean towards the previous Bushin master not having to die when he surrenders his title to his successor. Genryusai had time to have a family either during the course of his reign as master or afterwards.
HnN is the Secrets of the Hadoken book right? I’ll get the book soon and scan the pics, so if it’s a lot of work for you, just wait a few weeks. Otherwise, looking forward for some spoilers.
Capcom told Udon that they never made designs of Chun-Li’s father. Or… was it just that they never named him? Not that Capcom has any idea what it’s talking about these days regarding what it had established for Street Fighter in the past as far as I can tell though. glances at Capcom saying to Udon that SFZ and SF series take place in alternate worlds
Really, had they said they took place in alternate worlds long ago, I might have believed them. But now there’s just too much in the official books (and Final Fight One of all things) where Capcom indicated or practically outright stated they were connected…
It is a deathmatch though. AAC says it’s a fight to the death, and when Zeku says “do you stake your life on it?” which is in both US and Japanese versions, that’s the tip off that only one of them will be living when it’s over.