All characters in the game, male or female, have hearts in their eyes after being hit by Sakura’s bodyguard super. Likewise, all characters react similarly to Chun-Li’s love letter.
If anything, it shows that everyone in Pocket Fighter is bi. Which, of course, isn’t true. 
Urrmm okay, now we have a real dilemma. One person says only female characters and Zangief have hearts in their eyes while another says all characters have hearts in their eyes. Erm, boy this is’ll be tough to figure out who to believe.
Is that Pocket Fighter for the Playstation or Pocket Fighter for the Saturn/Arcade? Pocket Fighter for the Playstation cut out a lot of animation frames (PSX isn’t very conducive to 2D) so I wouldn’t be surprised if to save memory, it ‘standardized’ everyones’ reactions. Unfortunately, needless to say, this… would be a hard thing to test and figure out 
Damn, I should’ve checked the Pocket Fighter thing… I only checked Zangief…
But I just checked out the arcade version+Saturn version and everyone comes out with hearts in their eyes against Sakura’s Body Guard Super…
Sigh… drat. Something to get the homophobic “Zangief can’t be gay! He just can’t!” people to shut up would have been nice.
So… Zangief prancing around as Lilith was stated to be an intentional gay reference? Not that they’d believe me anyways with their random remarks about “Oh, that doesn’t mean anything!” I get like, 3 people a thread who argue that Ken doesn’t dye his hair then say that the fact that he has blonde hair yet brown eyebrows doesn’t prove anything because they know friends in real life who managed to have brown eyebrows yet blonde hair. Yea, I know it’s in real life but it’s rare and do you think Capcom would really care to implement such a rare thing like that as opposed to the hairdye?
…ah well, whatever. I’m in a semi grumpy mood because it’s summer schools finals week. Don’t mind me
Funny. I’ve yet to see any real conclusive evidence for GIef being gay. I’m not homophobic or anything and I don’t think that “Gief CAN’T be gay!”, but none of the evidence I’ve seen so far is really solid. Here’s how I see things:
Dislikes young beautiful women: I always thought this was more poking fun at stereotypical russian women than Gief’s sexual preference. I think Gief likes his women hairy and muscular, for example. 
Vega picture in ST ending: Already debunked, but once again for those who still don’t get it (and somehow missed Tiamat’s post above): The work “Baka” (“idiot”) is scribbled across the picture. This is Gief making fun of the extremely vain Vega.
Eagle/Zangief intro in CvS2: Totally non-conclusive. I still think it’s nothing more than poking fun at their lariet moves. Chunners and Honda don’t have a similar intro because they’ve both been around for a really long time, and such an intro has never been shown before, so why now? On the other hand, Eagle is (sorta) new, and he has no association with any other characters, so they gave him what they could. Does Eagle lashing CHang’s snotty projectile back at him mean anything? On that note, does Rolento tossing a knife at HIbiki mean anything? I thin not. You can’t pull anything concrete from this “evidence”.
Zangief not minding being in Lilith’s body in “Lilligan’s” (as I call her) MvC ending: Now, I haven’t seen this ending in quite a while, but a) this was a joke through and through, so I wouldn’t hod\ld much faith in it (like with Dan’s ending in MSF - is Akuma Dan’s father now?), and b) the way the ending was setup, I don’t recall Lilith-Zangief saying anything before Morrigan whisked her-him away. The way it played out, you only got the joke at the end when you realised Lilith was no trapped in Gief’s body. That joke wouldn’t have had as much of an impact if Lilith-Gief had actually said anything. That’s the way I remember things, but as I said, it’s been a while, so I could be remembering things wrong.
Zangief with hearts in his eyes for Sakura’s PF Bodyguard super: Actually, this one took me back, since my friends and I played the Saturn version and I think we would have noticed that special occurrance. But since it’s been confirmed that everyone comes out with hearts for the super, I thikn we can render it inconclusive as well. Not unless you want to make Chunners into a lesbian because she cries when the female characters don’t accept her love letter.
So there you have it. The first one is kinda iffy, but the rest don’t convince me of Gief being gay at all. As I said, I have no problem with it, but I’d like something more concrete (Eagle’s Jpn. win quotes are far more revealing for example - does Gief have anything as concrete as that in any game?).
shrug It’s mainly the people who get all flaming and insulting about it, not the ones asking for concrete stuff. As I’ve said, the special intro with Eagle and the Lilith prancing was not concrete, which is why it is so frustrating for me. I hoped the pocket fighter thing was true but… nope. Blarg :bluu:
Any CvS2 intro between a Capcom and an SNK character doesn’t really have to make sense because they’re basically general speculative interactions between characters from opposite companies. The Vs. games can be looked upon as grounds for reinforcing character traits and giving hints at where they think they should go with their storylines in the future after all, so all the ones that occur between two characters of the same company, I feel, need to have some kind of basis behind them. Vega/Balrog has no history with Kyosuke, but what do they both have in common? They both think of themselves as irresistably attractive. By looking at how the intro is presented in the game, Kyosuke’s looks aren’t exactly enough to warrent Vega’s disgust, yet he could probably see how much pride Kyosuke takes in his looks. So naturally, he’d toss a rose at him out of respect because if they were to actually fight, it’d be a duel to decide which fighter is the more worthy of being the strongest and most “beautiful” warrior. I see nothing wrong with the consensus that a similar basis could apply to Eagle and Gief’s intro.
Lilith-Gief does say something before flying off with Morrigan. He/She says something like, “Oh… Yes… Let’s go, sister!”, and then flies off happily ever after. The most important thing to take note of is how Zangief doesn’t fly off the handle about it.
Dan’s MSH vs. SF ending isn’t a good arguement to use against this because that was just a way of making fun of AoF1’s ending, of course. Mocking SNK was the sole purpose of Dan’s existence from the start.
i’ve never played MvC, but i gather that in the ending, zangief enjoys being in a woman’s body. this does NOT imply homosexuality. not all gay men want to be women. gay men just want to have sex with ther gay men. that’s it.
however, i believe that 'gief is gay. why? capcom said so. i don’t need in-game proof.
Ugh I finally got finished reading like 5 pages of posts.
Anyways here’s the actual dirt on SF3.
When it was in the pre-production phase, all kinds of ideas were being thrown around. It was agreed by the Capcom staff that SF3 should be in a distant future in which a majority of the previous characters would be too old to continue fighting or would have simply retired. The art departmet quickly got to work on creating the entirely new cast of characters. The game started being produced on the new hi res engine, but it wasn’t too soon after that, that info leaked out about the next SF game. Of course all the fans were excited, until they heard there would be no returning characters, so of course there was hate mail and things to that extent. Capcom got scared and thought that maybe the fans would boycott the game if they didn’t get something they wanted out of it. It wasn’t too long after that Ryu and Ken were added, and then fans couldn’t wait fot the game after they heard that. The game was finally released, but the fans still weren’t happy. “Where’s our beloved Chun Li!!!??” they shouted. Eventually two more versions of SF3 were made and we all know the rest.
But get this…
When Capcom was talking about the whole distant future timiline, it was disscussed since this was the next generation of fighters why not have those kids who were offsprings of the original SF characters appear in the game. Mel (Ken’s son) Amy (Guile’s daughter) and Datta (Dhalsims son) were all names thrown around. It even went as far as concept sketches being drawn up, but Capcom decided they didn’t want the “kids” to be knock offs of their parents, so Capcom just ended up making the new chars semi knock offs of the old SF characters. This is why the game never became ultra popular, it was due to the fact that the players didn’t take to the new characters well. At first it had nothing to do with SF3 messed up story, people were only playing it for the game, but in the end it didn’t turn out how Capcom wanted it to.
The reason the story lacks is simply because the game was rushed, and that Capcom had to re-write it to allow the old skool characters to appear. When the fans said we wanna see our old favorites, Capcom focused more on developing the returning chars storylines (yeah right) rather than the new ones.
Oh and about Mel, Amy, and Datta, it was said that the concepts sketches never saw the light of day and now lie burried deep within Capcom’s huge art archive. It was only rumored as to what the chars were to look like.
Mel - Was supposed to look fairly similar to that of SNK’s Rock Howard (who was made some time later)
Amy - A female version of Guile to put it simply. Camo shorts, Sports Bra, and long blonde hair pulled back into a pony tail. Sounds alot like Shina from Bloody Roar if you ever played that.
Datta - Very similar to Dhalsim, but he had a vest to match the shorts, had spikey black hair, and pupils (go figure)
Note to Ultima -
Good call on the Guile’s daughter and Dhalsim’s son idea, it was actually almost put into effect.
As far as how Mel was supposedly supposed to be, he was supposed to be more like Ryu, the strong silent type, and not so much like his daddy.
All the info above comes from an ex-Capcom staff member, or so Im told. My brother live in Japan and he has two friends who sit around and play video games all day, and guess what thats their jobs, their testers, how cool is that? Especialy if you live in Japan. I hate them. Anyways they both have connections and supposedly this Capcom guy is one of them.
tool: Zangief’s reaction in that ending was likely a stereotype of homosexual behavior, even though not all gay men want to be women. I don’t think that factor is something Capcom would even consider when all they want to do is throw out hints about Gief that seem to point that way. What better excuse is there for him to get laid by someone of the same sex than to live in a female body? I think it’s pretty self-evident.
But I’m glad to see you’re mature enough to accept what’s official anyway without having to look at actual in-game evidence.
“Also I have a question about Honda and Chun-Li. In SF2, I remember Chun having a symbol on her back, saw it when doing the Spinning Bird Kick, and then saw it agian on Hondas stage, both in the Sf2 games, and then in the SFA# Honda stage, in the center of the stage. Whats the connection between these two, if any?”
The symbol you’re referring to is the hiragana “yu” which is always on bathroom doors in Japan, and both in SFA3 and SF2. However, Chun-Li doesn’t have this on her back, just some random golden designs.
But what about Ryu and Chunli’s kids*?
*=note the above is just a joke, I’m just kidding.
Actually Chunli’s adoptive kids could be canidates for future SF games, like if Capcom ever decided to go with their original plan and knock the story far into the future, and have Mel, Amy, and Datta.
Hey so supposedly Ken and Guile are brothers in law, and their wives are sisters, so then Mel and Amy are like cousins right?
I know I was just referring to the popular myth of Ryu and Chunli being a couple.
Correct.
Well, this explains the symbol on the Honda stages, and not to argue with anyone, but im more than sure that that is the same symbol on Chun Li’s back in SF2. I just checked it on my emulated version, and when doing the spinning bird kick, when her back is to the screen, you see that symbol. Maybe a mistake in the game, or maybe some screw up in the american version, that, or I seriously need some help from an eye doctor:lol:
From TAS:
> When it was in the pre-production phase, all kinds of ideas were being thrown around. It was agreed by the Capcom staff that SF3 should be in a distant future in which a majority of the previous characters would be too old to continue fighting or would have simply retired. The art departmet quickly got to work on creating the entirely new cast of characters. The game started being produced on the new hi res engine, but it wasn’t too soon after that, that info leaked out about the next SF game.
Define “hi-res” engine. CPSIII doesn’t have a high resolution mode AFAIK.
> Of course all the fans were excited, until they heard there would be no returning characters, so of course there was hate mail and things to that extent. Capcom got scared and thought that maybe the fans would boycott the game if they didn’t get something they wanted out of it.
This contradicts what I’ve heard about the game - that SF3 was released in beta form without Ken and Ryu, and no one played it, so Capcom put them back in, and sai that they would include Ken and Ryu in every single SF game from that point onwards.
> It wasn’t too long after that Ryu and Ken were added, and then fans couldn’t wait fot the game after they heard that. The game was finally released, but the fans still weren’t happy. “Where’s our beloved Chun Li!!!??” they shouted.
MOre like “where’s our beloved gameplay?”, but I digress.
> Eventually two more versions of SF3 were made and we all know the rest.
Chun Li was obviously an after-thought. She wasn’t meant to be put back in, otherwise she would have shown up in 2I with Hugo. It wasn’t until after 2I as released that they said that Chun-Li would be in the next Sf3 game.
> This is why the game never became ultra popular, it was due to the fact that the players didn’t take to the new characters well.
Note: The game is very popular in Japan.
> The reason the story lacks is simply because the game was rushed, and that Capcom had to re-write it to allow the old skool characters to appear.
Which doubly doesn’t make sense - one, the original SF3 was rushed, but by 2I it was just about finished. They could have revamped things like the endings by that time if they chose, but they didn’t. In addition, there IS no major re-write that allows for old-school characters to appear - in what way do Gouki, Ken and Ryu interact with anyone other than themselves or Sean in 2I?
> When the fans said we wanna see our old favorites, Capcom focused more on developing the returning chars storylines (yeah right) rather than the new ones.
Again, this makes no sense, since it’s not as if Ken, Ryu, Gouki and CHun-Li have any indepth story in SF3 at all.
Anyway, I’m taking all of this with a bucket of salt.
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Well to be fair Ryu and Chunli have decent not outstanding storylines in SF3, it just took until 3s for them to come out.
Chunli is after Urien, the principal new villian within the SF universe.
Ryu is shown to increased in power immensely, to the power where he’s compared to Gil, arguably the most powerful character within the SF universe. Ryu’s interaction with the other characters is also important as it shows that the SF world is still very dynamic, note the respect Ryu receives from Dudley and Alex.
I also think SF3 is becoming popular thanks to its release on the Dreamcast in the US.
Admittingly, Ryu is pretty much the main focus of Oro’s story, and ousts the guy who was supposed to be the main character of SF3, Alex, in Alex’s Third Strike story. That’s some pretty important stuff there, I’d think. But Ken and Chun-Li and Akuma really aren’t needed for anyone’s story (Sean’s storyline could have happened whether or not Ken was playable, since Sean was his student, I imagine, and while Urien played a role in Chun-Li’s plot, Chun-Li didn’t play a role in Urien’s plot at all).
From Hcparker:
> Well to be fair Ryu and Chunli have decent not outstanding storylines in SF3, it just took until 3s for them to come out.
Well, Ryu does some stuff - He loses to Oro, beats up Alex, and seeks out Ken - but it’s nothing outstanding.
> Chunli is after Urien, the principal new villian within the SF universe.
“Principle new villain”? There’s nothing that indicates as such. If he’s so principle, why do only, what, 2 or 3 characters have any relation to him?
And as Tiamat noted, Chun-Li interacts with Urien in her story, but he doesn’t in his. And and far as is known, she doesn’t interact with anyone else. So Chun-Li could have easily been removed and it wouldn’t have made a difference on the overal story.
> Ryu is shown to increased in power immensely, to the power where he’s compared to Gil, arguably the most powerful character within the SF universe.
Where is such a comparison made?
> Ryu’s interaction with the other characters is also important as it shows that the SF world is still very dynamic, note the respect Ryu receives from Dudley and Alex.
Alex, yes. Poor Alex has to job to Ryu in the series that he (Alex) is supposedly the main character of. Dudley… I don’t recall: When does he actually say anything to/about Ryu?
> I also think SF3 is becoming popular thanks to its release on the Dreamcast in the US.
Maybe a little, but nothing major.
EDIT: Original post got screwed up when I sent it.