man i would wish …a rival school character to be in SF4 …
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Barlog
height: 6’6"
Weight: 250lbs
M.bison
height: 6’2"
weight: 256lbs
Vega
height: 6’2"
weight: 178lbs
Sagat
height: 7’5"
weight: 303lbs
Chun Li
height 5’8"
weight: secret.
Zangief
height: 7ft
weight: 380lbs
Blanka
height: 6’4"
weight: 262lbs
Guile
Height: 6’2"
weight: 218lbs
Dhalism
height: 5’10"
weight: 107lbs
E.Honda
height: 6’1"
weight: 353lbs
Ryu
height: 5’10"
weight: 175lbs
Ken
height: 5’10"
weight: 199lbs
Akuma
height: 5’10"
Weight: 208lbs
Ryu - After training with Oro (which he started doing at the end of SF3) he will have ungone a radical change (he will replace Akuma, as the master type char)
Sean - Will have developed his style to fullest so that its no longer half assed, and it will be more stylistic than it was in SF3 (he will replace Ken and Ryu, as the advance student type)
Mel Masters - Will be fairly young, and will have a Ansatsu type style, but one diffrient than anyone ever seen before, will rely more on his physical moves and more than likely wont have half developed ki techniques (will replace Sean and Sakura, as the student in training type char)
New Character ( replacement for Dan)
New character ( replacement for Sagat)
Tier 5
sf4 sean
Actually Mel would be the replacement for Dan as well, being a light hearted character thats not very powerful.
I also recently read a review of RYU FINAL, and I believe its they story (or one of the stories) that will happen between SF3 and SF4.
Some of the things that happen in it
- Ryu finishes training with Oro
- Ryu relizes he is now a master
- Ryu has his long awaited battle with Sagat
- Ryu has (what I believe is) his last fight with Ken
- Ryu and Akuma kill one another
- At the end it turns out Ryu didnt die
Basicly all the stuff that needs to be shown or fans want to be shown happens in, and given how much Capcom likes Nakahiro’s stuff they will more than likely use the story and/or pats of it, for example in Capcom Fighting All Stars, Ryu’s “finishing move” was kaze no kobushi (fist of wind), the move that KO’d Ken in one punch in RYU FINAL.
i don’t even think mel is gonna be worse than sean or dan , i think he will be as good as his dad , and able to fit on his dad’s shoes … but a lil’ loosen …
Maybe I was thinking about the Capcom USA heights and weights.
I hope not, because that sounds like a bad fanfiction. The main character becoming godlike and killing everyone else. Surely Capcom can do better than this.
EDIT: I did some reading on Final Ryu and apparently in it Ken defeats Ryu during SF3 because he’s “found his reason to fight”. Even though this Ryu is pre-Oro, this is nonsense. Ken’s not that good, and Ryu already fought and beat him in SF3.
I dont understand how thats a bad fanfiction. Its just a run down of some of the stories highlights, oh and lets look at this from Capcom’s standpoint.
SF4 -
- Ryu’s the only classic character to return
- Ryu will have a new style
- The game will take place around the year its released (like 2007-2008)
RYU FINAL -
- Ryu finishes training with Oro
- Ryu relizes he is now a master
- Ryu has his long awaited battle with Sagat
- Ryu has (what I believe is) his last fight with Ken
- Ryu and Akuma kill one another
- At the end it turns out Ryu didnt die
All of these things are going to have to happen by SF4, for instance Akuma, Sagat, Ken, and Oro arent going to be in SF4 so all those storylines/loose ends will have to resolved.
Also Id like to see you read RYU FINAL than right a better/cooler story than it’s story.
You mean except for the fact that Ken beat Ryu in SFA2, and Ryu underestimated Ken in RYU FINAL, and I still dont see how it contradicts anything specialy since in their next fight Ryu KO’s Ken with one punch.
Ryu has lost a few fights due to underestimating his opponents or not wanting to hurt them, which is why Ken has and can beat him.
And if it was pre-Oro, then it would be before SF3, since Ryu was beaten by Oro, then went to America to find Ken and then beat him, then went to train with Oro, although in RYU FINAL it could be that Ryu lost the fight with Ken, then fought him again post-Oro and beat him, which would make more sense, since Ryu would of felt he wasnt as strong as he couldve been, then would of had a reason to train with Oro.
:lol: Yeah right, why dont you read SF3’s lack of storyline, or all the other SF games storylines before Capcom did the retroactive changes to them.
Since when has Capcom ever tried to do better than that? They never really care about the game’s storyline at the time of the release, because else they wouldnt make remakes, or have to publish books that explain everything.
Also I think you’re forgetting lots of the cool stuff Capcom did with the SF games, was the restult of something else, ie SF2: The Animated Movie, as an example.
And you think Capcom wont use RYU FINAL’s storyline, but they practicaly used everything from Sakura Ganbaru which was done by the same guy, AND Ryu in Capcom Fighting All Stars already had things from RYU FINAL incorporated into him.
Im not saying Mel will be worse than or the equivlant of Sean, Dan, or Sakura, but will just be the enthusiastic “in training” character like they were, but its like I said
He’ll be more physicaly developed rahter than having half assed ki attacks, ie he might not have any ki attacks at all, given it seems like Capcom is trying to do all new stuff lately, ie no more “shoto-clones” since apparently Ryu, Sean, and Mel will all play completely diffrient.
Seeing as there will be no pre-SF3 chars in SF4, what do you think the odds are of the cast of SF3 showing up?
Yun
Yang
Ibuki
Necro
Oro
Alex
Dudley
Elena
Makoto (I hope, I hope, I hope…)
Q
Twelve
Remy
Certain SF3 chars will appear but others wont.
Yun & Yang -
Expect them to, as they were two of the most popular chars of the SF3 cast.
Ibuki -
The most popular new character, and fan favorite of the new cast, so she has the strongest chance of returning.
Elena -
Another popular character with a unique style compared to the rest. Storyline wise she has nothing going for her, but her style and popularity might make up for it.
Makoto -
Another popular character (all the females were popular) Capcom may even decide to make her Ryu’s sister this time around (even though they gave Makoto a nobody brother, it dosnt contradict anything that she could still be Ryu’s sister)
Necro -
If Gill is still in it, its possible.
Oro -
After he finishes teaching/training Ryu, I think he may die or fade from exestence, like Yoda.
Alex -
He has a good chance since he was the main character in SF3, and was in Capcom Fighitng All Stars, and if Gill is back, he’ll defenitly be there too.
Dudley -
Maybe, but they dont need him, so I doubt it. People liked him, but he wasnt popular enough that Capcom wont not make another boxer character to replace him.
Q -
Its possible since he was so mysterious, but again he’s not needed, so…?
Urien -
If Gill returns its possible.
Twelve -
Very doubtful.
Remy -
Probaly not, there’s no reason for him to.
Sean -
Defenitly expect him.
The way I see it is that SF4 will probaly have like 4 or 5 returning characters, and the rest will be all new, but the upgrades will include more and more returning SF3 characters rather than adding all new chars.
remy has a new life to begin… he’ll no longer an SF…
So for the series Capcom has been using plots from someone who doesn’t even work for them? Unbelieveable.
You’re right! I guess nothing could be better than having the main character become really powerful and kick the crap out of everyone. In fact, I’m going to write a letter of thanks to that guy right now for such a brilliant, original story that hasn’t appeared in every other fiction ever made.
As for the Ryu vs Ken fight, my point was Ryu beat Ken in the story in SF3 already, but if Capcom always uses this guy’s stories it doesn’t matter.
Okay if you cant believe that than you’re just dumb, cause Capcom basicly took the entire SAKURA GANBARU storyline and used it for SFA3.
Wow do you know anything about the SF storyline?
Ryu becomes the strongest and beats the crap out of everyone, yet Ken beat him, and Oro and Gill are still stronger than Ryu in RYU FINAL, so I dont know what the hell you think you’re talking about.
Geez, do you think just cause you say that makes it true?
Parts of the RYU FINAL storyline appeared in Capcom Fighting All Stars, which you can even see in the vids of CFAS.
HOLY CRAP! That Post that he called a ‘very reliable source’ is me, and that’s exactly word for word what I posted at Mad Man’s Cafe in a conversation with NARUTO. Least I credited TAS in my Post, even though I’m not credited on that site… still that was all before Erik Ko’s statements, so now I don’t know what the heck is going on with SF4 at the moment. Maybe I should tell NARUTO what Erik Ko said so someone can Post it on that other Thread where I still won’t be credited… blarg!
And… um… very reliable source? I’m just going with stuff I heard and deduced, I am EXTREMELY UNCONNECTED to anyone in Capcom of Japan to be that reliable…
Well, I beleive the Thread at Mad Man’s Cafe was called “Sano something for you” if you want to look for my originally Post. Probably will be on the second or third page of The Bulletins Thread by now.
Unless of course, NARUTO started that Thread on the above Linky under another Net Name I mean no disrespect since he’s a cool guy and all.
Hmm… I guess being called a ‘reliable source’ indirectly maybe the universe’s Birthday Present too me indeed… 29 years old and still gaming! Even though I look like I’m 15, well I act like I’m 15 too most of the time anyways!
Here’s what Necro looked like in that unnoficial Doujin. (He’s real name is Illiya, right? I’m to lazy to look it up now so I’ll keep calling him Necro.) Necro as a Human appears twice and both times he looks a bit different. Being me who can’t read Japanese, I can’t tell if these two different stories were done by different artists since the art styles used in the Doujin look very similar. Of the three stories in the book, both Necro and Effie appear looking their SF3 way at different points in the book, so I don’t know what’s up with that. Anyway, in the first story -
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Necro’s wearing a baseball cap, he appears to be bald and has the full arrow tattoo going through his left eye. His eyebrows are just two lines. He looks just like the Necro we’re used to only more human like, I.E. his nose is a lot shorter. He’s wearing a white collared short sleeved shirt that is unbuttoned and untucked. Underneath we can see a black T-Shirt (The Doujin is colorless) that is also untucked and goes over the part of his jeans where his belt would be. Effie appears in this story too. Her hair is black, she has more normal looking bowties on her ponytails which now only go down to the length of her neck. There are no black circles under her eyes. She’s wearing a grey dress, which is fairly normal compared to her ‘punk rock’ looking SF3 one. She reminds me a lot of Miu Kurosaki of KOF Howling Blood, only Effie has 2 ponytails instead of one.
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The second time ‘human looking’ Necro appears he looks a lot younger, like the typical young Japanese Anime Character. Picture Love Hina’s Urashima Keitaro or Evangelion’s Ikari Shinji and make them a bit taller, or mybe just make KOF’s Sei Kensou a bit smaller and that’s what he looks like. (he’s not bald this time as he has black hair like the three examples I just mentioned.) He has the arrow tattoo under his left eye and it does not go through his eye like the previous design or the one from the game. He’s wearing a white T-Shirt and black suspenders. He also has on the same earings Necro wears. He finds an unconscious Effie on the streets and takes her in. Here, Effie looks exactly like the Effie from the games.
If I was to take a guess, I think the story in the book runs a bit backwards. It starts with Necro and Effie cured of their mutations (first designs I mentioned) then we see them mutated, and then we see them younger in their first meeting (last designs I mentioned). Course, that would work if by the end of the book they weren’t mutated again… AAAACK! You really need to know how to read Japanese to figure out this one. Even though the book has no fighting it thankfully has nothing X-Rated, and it’s drawn so well it’s the best Doujin I have!
The only other time I’ve seen Necro as a human, sort of, was in the extremely terrible/unnoficial/killed a lot of the cast of SF2/ Hong Kong SF3 New Generation Comic. Ala every Frankenstein spoof you’ve ever seen, this guy was strapped to a table next to Necro’s body that was also strapped to a table, so that fake Seno Scientist and that Female looking Hugo Scientist from Necro’s SF3 NG Background could pull a switch to transfer that guy’s soul/brain/electricity to Necro or whatever. The operation was succesful killing that guy and awakening Necro and later Ibuki recognizes Necro as that same guy, because, well, THAT GUY WAS APPARENTLY A MEMBER OF IBUKI’S CLAN!!! WTF???
Here’s what he looked like, He had on the male version of Ibuki’s outfit, worn by the glasses wearing Ninja of Ibuki’s Clan. He looked exactly like Adon, only spike his red hair up a bit more like Gouki’s and give him a white headband.
Oh yeah, while thumbing through that horrible comic I realized something I forgot about. In the comic, Dan kicked Sean’s Ass. Not even them whacky ‘Manwa’ creaters thought that Sean could beat Dan.
Course, they also have Dan getting killed by Vega(dictator) so…
Hang on a second. Ryu doesn’t die in Ryu Final? Not that I can read Japanese but everything I’ve read about it does indeed state that he does infact die. Ken finds Ryu’s body with a hole through it and buries him. Alex approaches the grave later on, and sees what appears to be Ryu’s ghost.
Unless Ryu has developed some super strong regenitive Gill Like Powers that can heal a freaking hole in the middle of his body and what Alex sees isn’t Ryu’s ghost but the actual Ryu who manages to un-burry himself and re-burry his grave so Alex can visit it - it sure looks to me like Ryu dies. Can anyone who can read Japanese and has read Ryu Final confirm or deny if Ryu lives or dies?
I lean towards Ryu dying, being that it is called 'Ryu FINAL, and Japan has an unhealthy habit of killing main characters, especially in Anime… (COUGH COUGH* Astro Boy(original series), Goku, Spike Speigel, Himura Kenshin…)
Perhaps English isn’t your first language. “Unbelievable” does not necesssarily mean “I don’t believe you” but that something is “incredulous”. In this case I find it ridiculous that capcom was taking stories from fans this whole time. No wonder Alpha 3 was different.
On this thread, it says one of the things that happened in SF3 was that Ken and Ryu had a rematch and Ryu won. Someone also wrote that Ryu was sad that Ken hadn’t improved much since his SF2 days. We all know Ryu is better than he used to be. My point was you couldn’t easily reconcile FINAL RYU with what actually happened in SF3. But then you said Capcom is taking their story cues from this guy, so it doesn’t matter (they can retcon something).
Since Gouki is dead, and Oro is out of the picture (this is according to the summary I read), that leaves Gill. These 3 people are in the same league. Ryu has replaced Oro, so that just leaves Gill and Ryu. I doubt Gill will last long when Ryu fanboys are writing the script.
Expect the plot for SF5 to be: All powerful boss arrives, Ryu must kill him.
I didn’t say anything about SFA, I have no idea why you brought that up. Everyone knows Ken defeated Ryu then. That’s why I was talking about SF3. The summary of FINAL RYU I read says Ken defeated Ryu in SF3, but that’s the opposite of what happened, unless there was another rematch which hasn’t been mentioned.
The quality of the story speaks for itself. Just read your summary, it’s almost funny.
I never thought you were lying to me, I just think the FINAL RYU story isn’t any good.
Ryu actualy does surrvive the hole in his chest. I believe you can even see the scar from it at the end of the manga. Howd he do it? I believe Oro taught him how to regenerate like that. Remember Oro teaches Ryu all his secrets, thus Ryu will be able to live a long time and will become dangeroulsy powerful, like Oro, but he’s not that powerful yet.
I dont think Capcom will follow the storyline exactly. I actually think Capcom may have Oro and Akuma take one another out after Ryu’s training is finished.
Oro is more powerful than Akuma, but Akuma is more powerful than Ryu, but after Oro’s training Ryu should be somewhere close to Akuma.
As for the name FINAL I believe its to imply its what would be Ryu’s final story, ie tying up all his loose ends and what not, so it has to be some big out landish thing, because Ryu has to finish his training, and have his final battles with Ken, Sagat, and Akuma.
They dont have to use the entire story from RYU FINAL, I never said that, only that they’ll more than likely use the story from it meaning, they’ll take alot from it but not everything. Also the SF2 anime inspired Capcom to make the Alpha series, so Capcom has always been inspired by outside things, and has pulled things from lots of places (just as every company does)
Gill is a freaking god, he cant be killed no matter what, because his soul is immortal, and he has the power of ressurection, but in SF4 he will supposedly be weaker.
And as a rule of thumb, you neve rmake the main char the strongest, but Ryu is no longer the main character so it dosnt matter anymore, and Ryu finaly deserves to be more powerful, he’s really been stuck in the sameplace his whole existence, and people always complain about him never changing , so this is the next step.
Although the above just reminded me that SF4’s main character will probaly be an all new character, example
SF1 - Ryu
SF2 - Guile
SF3 - Alex
SF4 - ?
SFA series dosnt count for various reasons, ie prequel, inbetween game, dosnt involve a tournament, etc, etc.
No one likes Masahiko Nakahira more than I, but if Ryu does indeed survive in Ryu Final, that’s really hella stupid. It’s almost like something out of a Hong Kong Manga. Yes, I noticed the scar, but Gouki put his arm through Ryu’s freaking body. In other words, Ken finds Ryu with a hole in his chest, burries him, Ryu heals himself, un-burries himself, puts the grave back in place and still hangs out in the same area so Alex can see him… huh?
Personally I think Masahiko Nakahira got frustrated with Capcom changing the story on him so many times since his original Cammy Manga that he just said to Hell with it and pulled that ending out of his buttocks. Maybe he calmed down a bit when he did that Sakura vs. Kyo Manga last year, even though he had Sakura kick Kyo’s Ass. What the? His SFZ Manga’s still my favorite.
So, is there a Link to this Ryu Final Review? Ryu Final’s Masahiko Nakahira’s only Manga (minus the short Sakura vs. Kyo story) I don’t have a translation for.
TAS: I think I understand it better now, thanks.
I did a google search for the review, but for some reason I can’t find it now. The guy who wrote it also insisted Ryu didn’t die. He said it in bold letters.
There is only one thing I don’t understand with Ryu killing Gouki. Either Oro is so much more powerful than Gouki that with just a relatively short period of training Ryu is able to catch up/surpass Gouki, or Gouki completely stops training and gets weaker. It must be the first one? Which kind of makes you wonder why Oro didn’t just kill him when they met in SF3.
I think that Naka may of intended for Ryu to die at the end then went back and added those last pages.
I just found out he started working on RYU FINAL when Double Impact came out, and probaly heard somethings about Third Strike while doing it, and he might of gotten frustrated like you said because of Capcom changing stuff, and they may even of asked him to make changes to RYU FINAL, ie “we and our fans hold your work in high regard, but please dont have Ryu die” - Capcom, like he probaly finished it, they wanted to see it, then may of done something like “we’ll use your story in the official SF canon, but you have to change the ending.”
So basicly he couldnt/wasnt gonna go back and re-do all the stuff he had already did, but instead just added stuff to end.
And for an explantion on the Kyo Vs Sakura thing, it depends upon either the principals of the reality or the authors choice really.
SF Universe - Those who train hard = Strong
KOF Universe - Those with strong fighting spirits = Strong
VS Universe - Combination of both
Kyo would be fairly weak in the SF universe as he never trains, where as Sakura would probaly be really powerful in the KOF universe given her spirit (Rival Schools has similar properies to KOF) but in the VS universe characters only retian their universe’s properties. Kyo would no doubt beat her in the VS universe, but I dont know about who would win in the other universes (since Sakura isnt that strong in the SF one, but would be in the KOF one)
Short Review (bottom of the page) - http://www.megspace.com/arts/rcllair/bat1/SHS.htm
Lengthy Plot Description - http://shin_ryu10.tripod.com/ryufinal.html
Its actually probly a combination of the two reasons
Oro has got to be more powerful than Akuma, given that Oro is 150, meaning he’s around 3 times Akuma’s age, so he’s had a much longer period of time to become stronger, and Oro fought Akuma with his arm bound and was able to keep up with him. One of the reasons behind Oro and Gill’s creation was to be more powerful than Akuma, because for too long Akuma had been the most powerful or godly like figure in the SF universe.
Now Akuma in terms of power hasnt increased drasticly over the last few games, but he has gotten more powerful, ie once you become super powerful its hard to keep becoming more powerful at fast rate. Between SFA3 and SF3 Ryu actualy progressed more than Akuma, not in power but in comparison, like in SF3 Ryu was just as powerful as Evil Ryu was in SFA3, meaning by SF3 Ryu had already achieved to power the Satsu No Hadou gave him in SFA3, although I think it was like 10 years later, so maybe it dosnt seem that like that big a deal.
But Oro in his 150 years problay knows everything about ki and what it can do, ie letting him live along time would be and example, like Oro was teaching Ryu things in a short period of time that took him a lifetime to learn, and its the kind of things Akuma is trying to learn, but if Ryu learns all these things beofre Akuma and constantly trains with these new secrets its entirely possible he got to Akuma’s power level.