3p/3k macro advantages really depend on the game. it can range from being marginally helpful to being a completely unfair advantage. in mvc1 there are infs that are pretty much impossible to do consistently without the macros but become bnb when you have it (wolvie inf and wm glove inf are most notorius). i agree for sf4 that they aren’t an issue though (who can’t mash out an ultra lol).
lol, might as well have tourney, sticks only since you can see clearly that the led lights show up! when macros are turned on…
The Chun player that used the turbo is my neighbor and he’s new to the tournament scene(online pad warrior). Like Mr. Valle said some new players aren’t aware that turbo is shunned upon in tournament play. I myself am new to the scene but I figured turbo was against the rules in serious tourneys.
He actually ended up winning the tourney. The button he used turbo on was 3K.
Heh heh everyone at the tournament didn’t really mind the turbo but it did frustrate a few.
There was only a select few that blew it up as much as it was so the tourney became unofficial. (even though the tournament organizer didn’t mind as long as anyone else in the tourney didn’t object) This thread was necessary to inform new players like my self rules concerning turbo. The tournament organizers need to make sure they state their rules concerning macros and turbos.
I haven’t played competitively since 95 and this is one of the reasons why I don’t care about getting back in the scene. Execution and mind games are tremendous factors that determine the outcome of a match and macros completely destroy the competitive environment in my opinion. I still do whatever I can to support the arcades that remain and they are the last remnant of a true competitive environment, one which console players will truly never be able to comprehend.
In my opinion, this is topic that fighting game community as whole or even cultural cannot standardize yet or maybe ever since we don’t understand developers intention of game designs. The cultural also allow so many gray areas in certain standards/principals, that there are so many loop holes into standardizing this that other matters of similarity will have to be address and that will take much more development from the gaming cultural to grow and mature, which I fear the cultural is not able to do yet.
Ideally its currently frown upon to have outside help in these competition but those who argue the essence of the competition being ruined by these advantages can argue the same about other advantages.
For example sticks user in VS fighters, its no mystery theirs an inherent advantage given from sticks and the array of stick design are so wide that theres an abundance of their design to where custom made sticks are made to suite specific users. These customs are made to fit the user and in essence make things easier for the user.
The same can be said for pad players and any other type of controller peripherals. Their far too big of gray area as far as advantages and disadvantages goes in mechanical assistance. The cultural may desire to weed out suppose cheaters or game breaking elements, but if they failed to create a contrive standards (which I believe the majority havent) and allow outside controller which creates an abundance of ambiguous situation. Than the cultural needs to reevaluated their principals and address them accordingly, if we must damned someone, than lets damned developers for not addressing the situation accordingly by applying safe guards.
As far as I stand, I welcomed these advantages but I choose to only play games where I feel its not game breaking. This is why I am not for SF4 or majority of the main stream games since I see them with design flaws IMO. Games like Guilty gear, Arcana Hearts, Melty blood and ect. Dont have such an offensive problem with mechanical assistance because these games are design with an appropriate system dont allow such abuse to ruin competition.
is the “turbo speed” the same on the SE as it is the TE? neighbor’s got an SE and was wondering what all this “links are so ez w/ turbo” is about and was gonna see.
personally i dont use it. i’ve got a hrapex and 3 customs so no turbo for me.
on topic, thx for the info. although i’ve never been in a tourney, common sense would dictate to me that its frowned upon.
It just sucks that this is even an issue. It’s like having to explain to a new boxer that you can’t put horseshoes in your gloves.
We have new people in this community-- but shouldn’t this be fairly obvious? You are using a feature which not only removes a significant human element within the game-- but gives you a subsequent and unfair advantage when it comes to a player who wouldn’t have turbo? And even if he does, the same stupid ass shit applies to him!
We have new people here… but come on. Just because you forgot to list it in the rules-- doesn’t mean cheating isn’t fucking cheating. It doesn’t say anything in the rules about impaling my opponent with a spear in the middle of his combo-- do we have to list “Hey, don’t impale people with spears.” on every tournament thread?
I dunno. Nobody had to explain that activating turbo wasn’t okay when I started. Maybe times have changed.
Wow would have thought this **** would have been banned by default.
Think enforcing a ban without actualy banning turbo controllers (which would be bloody stupid, how many of us are using madcatz sticks here now lol) would be kind of hard though, I mean unless you got someone watching the player’s hands constantly they could switch it on mid match after an initial check.
Maybe blue tacking a small cardboard box thing (maybe a smarties packet with the bottom cut off) over the turbo button would do the trick even if it does look a bit ghetto though.
Why is this even a discussion? Turbo is blanketly banned aint it 
I know there’s a load of new players, but surely it’s just too obvious not to be banned? :wonder:
I remember being at a French tournament where they forgot to put it in the rules, because they thought it was too obvious to put in and no-one would be a dick and use turbo.
Low and behold, some dickhead Chun Li user in the groups is going lk. lk. hold down 3K turbo button for EX Legs :rolleyes:
I always thought turbo was banned, and just something some online players did.
Macros- only button bind macros are legal, and that’s game dependent.
I have a custom stick which I use for tournies for that reason.
He was new like first tournament new. He doesn’t even post on Srk. So the whole issue of not posting the obvious doesn’t apply to him. Since I believe most 09ers new to the game would see turbo on their pads or sticks as a shortcut. Specially online players… I believe that if you see someone using turbo you should just let him/her know on the spot that it’s not allowed. If the organizers for some reason don’t explain before hand .
Haha funny you mention that because that was the case in this so cal tourney …
TBH, Turbo for Fighters is kinda lame. The best part of fighters is mashing like an idiot while learning Honda / Chun-li, or runing your hand over all the buttons in MVC2 as fast as possible to get more damage out.
It’s like driving a rally car on automatic transmission - sure it’s fun, sure it might let you win sometimes, but man will you still lose to a good manual driver, not to mention you won’t have as visceral and tangible an experience.
I only use turbo for SHMUPS where I’m too busy trying not to get hit by any of the bazillion bullets on screen to remember that I’m even supposed to shoot back. :lol:
Well…seems like people are starting to pay attention to this issue. At a tourney around here a certain player was seen using turbo, and he won (IIRC, if not won placed at least top 3) the tourney because of it. Now i’m not saying any names (if you were on IRC the day i brought it up, you know who i’m talking about), nor was i at that particular tournament, BUT this was verified by reputable players.
I’m also not surprised that turbo is an issue, i mean with as much cheating that’s going around lately, it shouldn’t be shocking that people will do whatever it takes to win.
Here’s the problem here people, one cant just say its outright banned. Because its not as simple as whole " Do not impale someone". The flaw off that example is because to hurt anyone physically is crime that is stated in the constitutions. Even in events rules. If they aren’t than organizer need to express that accordingly.
Note that the turbo and macro issue can be address in many ways that some can use to oppose the the current rules or in this case the banned of macro and turbos.
Its not constitute in any way, just on a whim that people will not do it. This is poorly express and the cultural needs to express this. But Even if they do so, the current values and standards are set up to where it cause ambiguous controversy and viewed by some as solicited. This will prove to be difficult for the game cultural to manage and and will falter it’s development into mainstream. The intention and integrity of this cultural is not specified and can never be nor standardized, because they don’t have the privilege of doing so.
People really need to stop confusing the terms macros and bindings.
Bindings are fine, macros are not.
You are right, My apologize for that.
It wasn’t aimed at you, just in general.
Yes an I feel I am part of the general so I am accountable for that responsibility as well.
High fives to Valle for bringing this up and MrWizard for backing him up with solid Evo rules.
Clearly as ChaiThai says it should be banned because it’s a feature of a peripheral that’s not built into the game. No, it’s not game-breaking it’s just super annoying for those of us that don’t play with it on, which is pretty much damn near everyone.
I’m adding it to the rules of the tournaments I organize, Bar Fights and LA Riots. Hopefully other organizers will do the same. Can’t do anything about past results, all we can do is be more aware in the future.
I would say if it is not banned from use in the tournament rules, and it helps you win easier, wouldn’t you be a fool to NOT use it?
If it is something that the community at large would like to see banned then all tournament organizers will need to remember to put it into their tournament rules.