You’d think someone would notice a really long sequence of lightning legs on pad without moving a thumb/finger @_@
This thread is not a witch hunt guys.
AWARENESS and your thoughts good sirs!
I just checked a few minutes ago, and you’re right, nearly nowhere is there a “No turbo/Macro” rule…I guess us as players just figured that the new people would get it beforehand. 
Pretty sure Tourney orgs should start throwing that rule in there, just to be safe.
As Alex said, Turbo/Macro’s take out the execution factor of the game, which in my opinion, is nearly half the battle, espicially in a game like SF4, that’s so link dependant, and also where most of the new players are.
Yes,
We cannot assume the old ways anymore since SF4 has successfully brought us many new players =)
It’s definetly for the well being of the new player aswell, because, I know in some areas, you get caught with Turbo on, then you’re done, for the entire tourney…that’d be horrible for a kids first match to end like that. :shake:
If this helps on the awareness part:
I noticed first that EX legs were coming out with little controller noise, then watched the player on his next match to confirm. I asked him and he did not know about the no turbo rule and his opponent at the time said he would allow it.
Lets make sure that your opponent is using turbo before we start accusing others. Otherwise it’s online cries of wallhacks and aimbots all over again.
PPP/KKK macros and turbo should not be lumped together.
Some button combinations are ridiculous on a pad simply because you have to use some fingers to physically hold the pad.
You don’t need to devote any fingers to holding up a joystick. You just put it on your lap or a table.
This is why PPP/KKK macros are necessary. This has nothing to do with using turbo.
Holy shit, you guys are totally right about the Final Round thing. I guess that was always just an assumed thing. Hell, before the madcatz sticks, most people were using customs or Mas sticks without turbo anyway.
I’m sure the big tourney organizers will get it stated expressly.
Hard to believe that something like this went under the radar so long though…
Why is the issue of turbo in tournaments even a discussion? Yes it should be banned, and the tournaments that haven’t specifically banned it only haven’t stated as such because it’s an unwritten rule.
Any kid who doesn’t understand that Turbo is an unfair advantage shouldn’t be playing in tournaments.
Considering this thread is about Turbo, I’m not even sure why the 3 button macros are even brought into discussion.
On pad, that’s an absolute must, unless you’re on a Saturn or SF4 fightpad. Then you just look like a moron.
Same with using it on sticks.
Turbo should be gone no matter what. Macros, IMO, should be gone unless they’re in the form of PPP and KKK. Any others, you should be able to do in your sleep.
You never know, you might come across that one guy who understands that the use of turbo is heavily frowned upon but will argue that it was not clearly stated as illegal in the tournament rules.
I use the PS2 pad and have nearly perfected the 3P press. In ST I can do it nearly 100% of the time (at least it seems that way). for anyone curious, I’ll try doing it 100 times in a row and consider that my percentage. BTW, I did not practice doing this, I just ended up doing it one day. I was talkin to this dude I’m like hold on, I didn’t set my 3P. he’s whoopin my ass regardless (I panicked and didn’t realize at the time that 3P was at the bottom, and I didn’t wanna lose so I just cancelled out the thing and played) so I’m 3Ping with THawk dive and then I’m like OK nevermind.
to add to this whole convo of macros and turbo though, I don’t think it matters. Turbo, macros, whatever… they just give the guy a new advantage. He doesn’t become smarter. he doesn’t become more focused. because of this, he will most likely still lose
I tired the Turbo feature on my TE for Trials and I found that it messed me up more then it actually helped me. I really don’t like any of the added functions on the Sticks. I put caps on both my SE and TE, on the 3x buttons to have a conventional arcade layout I also don’t like the shortcut in the game for the SRK motion. I would rather whiff the move then to have an unintentional move come out and possibly cost me the match. It happens a lot when using Sim I get a teleport instead of a ultra.
Here’s my question, how is it enforced?
How do we prove someone was using it other than “gut feeling” or some such.
The opponents say so? Nearby people?
So if your opponent accuses you of turbo use you automatically get DQd?
Not trying to be a smartass as I really don’t know. I imagine it would be somewhat of a pain to have to rewatch videos of hands and gameplay footage and figure out if thats what was happening exactly.
If someone could clear this up for me I’d really appreciate it.
Well, easiest way is to see if the turbo light is on. TE/SE sticks, on the upper left corner, that bank of 8 LED’s flash to each corresponding button.
I think older HRAPS have an array that need to be turned on and off so you can tell by those switches.
HRAP3’s have an LED that blinks when its activated.
Fightpads (by madcatz) have an led that flashes near the xbox button.
The only way you wouldn’t notice is if someone put a lot of time and effort into cheating and blacked out the LED’s or broke them,
I was directed to this thread via Valle’s tweet that stated “Turbo/Macro use in tournaments” and that’s why I ended up commenting on macros.
3 button keys are a key binding and not a macro.
A macro would be something more along the lines of 1 button RSF.
Off the top of my head, the only way to be 100% certain that nobody is using turbo is to require players to use house-provided sticks and pads that don’t have turbo functionality. But that’s not practical for obvious reasons.
Failing that, organizers could require that folks hold down buttons for the judge during button check to make sure they don’t have turbo on. But this isn’t practical because the extra time it would take to do that adds up, especially during long-ass tournies like Evo.
Something that could be done to at least discourage turbo use is to deliberately and publicly shame everyone who gets caught trying to use turbo under the radar. I don’t think naive newcomers should be lumped in with that though.
But in the end, if someone is determined enough, they’re gonna find a way to cheat.
It is no problem to disable those LED’s i guess. If someone really wants to cheat he can open the stick and disable them.
Turbo is usefull however. Here in Germany we have a G1 Blanka with almost 60k Points. He is a scrub but only with Turbo he seems to get along and beats lots of peolple. He even has a website in which discribes how usefull turbo (pretty hilarious btw 
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Another example for the non masher characters is Sagat. Try to link his lk with Turbo. Its no problem to get 4 in row with just holding down the button.
I would never use it but think it can indeed help some players to pull out combos which they normally would never be able to.