I can’t do it. I can do it 95% using the wrist/finger breaking method though.
Just ban these Turbo controllers.
never really liked them anyways
Yes because we are all just itching to drop another 100 quid on another stick because of this ****…:tdown:
I still go with just confirming the turbo is off and bluetacking a smartie box or something over the turbo button.
that works well if you have a really fat thumb. But if you have a thinner thumb like myself its a tad more difficult to press 2 buttons with 1 thumb. Also to insure that your thumb is completely flat on the pad so that it presses both at the exact same time. Cause if you don’t do your way just right you’ll still end up hitting either square or triangle before the other and mess up your 3 button press.
The issue that p3 and k3 will never be messed up with button binding is a weak one. Yes the software will always perform it right. But if your on a stick you shouldn’t be messing that up in the first place and your probably performing it at a 95% success rating if not higher… Its super easy to hit p3 and k3 on a stick. Meanwhile depending on your pad layout it can be difficult to hit it on a pad.
For the MK way
X=LP
Square=MP
R1=HP
Yes that would be easier to do, but why should I have to get used to yet another button config to play this game? To the person that proposed this, why don’t you try setting up your stick in this manner and see how well you do and how long it takes for you to readjust your muscle memory to perform decently using that set up?
i will repost something from an old thread
its not about how 95% of the time you will get it, it’s about HOW FAST you can get it
If you were refering to 1 button macros to specials or supers then that’d be a good point. But p3 is supposed to be 3 punches pressed at the same time. Basically 1 large button press. There is no difference in tming between pressing 1 button and pressing 3 buttons at the same time. Especailly in a stick when naturally all of your fingers are hovering over all the buttons anyway, primed to press the neccessary buttons at a moments notice.
Dunno why people keep trying to lump sticks and pad together.
Sticks aren’t played the same way as pad. You don’t hold a pad the same way you hold a stick. The layout for sticks is different from pad.
So obviously since they’re different input devices, they can’t narrow mindedly be held to the same values and rules.
Well, it really doesn’t matter what anyone in this thread says (despite many people missing that common sense, have any of you even played both pad and Stick?), as almost all tournaments, including EVO, allow the use of 3P macros and such and last time I checked (unless this was changed), the same option is open to those who have extra configurable buttons for stick.
Also the fact that many home ports (I’ll use CvS2 as an example) just go ahead and shortcut the command from needing to use 3P to 2P. Obviously, such games as say, the earlier versus titles which allow you to execute dashes with 3P would probably be an exception and need to be looked at by a case by case basis. But in general, there is absolutely nothing wrong with shortcutting 3P/K to a button for most fighters. I mean, it only really applies to SF/Capcom games anyway because of the six-button format.
I’ve no opinion on the turbo stuff.
EDIT: Just checked my XMvSF on Saturn and it automatically maps 3K and 3P to the shoulder buttons, so whatever. I was thinking more of the DC port of MvC1 which I thought omitted it, but than realized its the problem of the default DC controller not having any extra buttons to map the 3P/3K to.
Alot of people seem to forget that when tournys did allow macros, they did not only allow them for pad players, any stick player was more then welcome to use them as well if they feel it is such an advantage.
also it is more prevelant in console only games that were designed with pad in mind. Or games like Virtua fighter that have Mapped sholder buttons by default.
I dont have a problem with macros, but turbo i do, as it’s not humanly possible to press the buttons that fast.
this is such BS. When ever magneto does his infinite in mvc2, it requires a dual button press, 2p’s to be exact. Now how many marvel players have 100% execution on that infinite? you can probably name all the people who can do this consistently on both your hands, its going to be very few.
World champions like yipes\justin\sanford and even god like people like soo mighty, chris schmdit \ any other west coast top player DO mess up the magneto infinite frequently. More than once a day easily. If MULTIPLE world champions are messing up a dual input, 2p’s, what makes you think YOU or I or anyone else can do it better? there in lies my arguments roots. On a stick when you manually have to do it, there’s a HUGE factor there thats not a binded pad setup. On a stick, you can potentially fuck it up. On a pad that has a bind, this mistake is impossible to make. All you have to do is make sure you time it in the right spot.
so the excuse that on a stick, you should be able to hit 95-100% of the time is crap. And in xvsf, magneto’s infinite requires a 3p’s input and his infinite is EVEN harder.
yes on the surface, its only 3 buttons. Who can’t hit 3 buttons consistently? if pad players are going to use this as their counter argument, I challenge ANY pad player to do magneto infinite in mvc2 till dizzy 10 times in a row. This is 140+ dual inputs with 2p’s. If its so easy, you’ll be able to this multiple times no problem right? what you’ll eventually see is that you miss that 2p’s more often than not and when you realize that, some of you may understand my argument.
did you even read the post I reposted?
most human beings do not, as you may have noticed, have 6 fingers that they can all use equally and therefore can place on all 6 buttons at all times and have available at the same speed.
a big part of the skill in fighters is understanding the situation and being ready to perform the proper response, and having your hands in position is a big part of that. most people can’t do 3p as fast as an lp or hp or something
couild it be that the hard part of that combo isn’t pressing 2 punches at the same time? I know, such a radical idea, must have escaped your mind.
and if they mess up that much then I guess they suck at pressing 2 buttons at the same time.
If I can time 2 button presses on a pad 95% of the time in a long ass SFEX3 combo then I don’t see why it’d be hard to time 2 button presses in marvel.
I read it and that hinges entirely on a reaction button press. aka your scared and panicing and decide to spam PPP. In a situation like that then yes 1 button press would be faster. But most of the time your probably methodically timing your button presses and have a plan of attack. In that mode your subconsciously already moving your hands and fingers to the required position to perform the move and you then wait for the correct time to press it.
Basically, as long as your in control of yourself that repost of those of yours is meaningless.
Are we are supposed to believe that the control scheme developed for a game with a single moveset of 6 normals and 3 specials(SF1) is also somehow perfectly designed for SF4?
Tradition is one thing, inspiration is another, but this is ridiculous. If your game is several orders of magnitude above the original in complexity, maybe it’s time to add a couple small features to the control set. Stop getting caught up in that rare scenario of being handed the match because your opponent missed a lariat, and come to the larger point of playing 2009 games with 1987 controls, sure you ‘can’ do it, but why?
lumping button mapping arguement along with turbo arguement is stupid
Button mapping argument is stupid period.
Straw men and weak shit aside, its tournament legal and already accepted. Arguing it here is completely pointless; almost as if people think they are going to change EVO and tournament ruleset or something. 3P/3K/whaever set-ups are here to stay, and none of these ridiculous arguments are going to change that.
If you’re think they’re so game breaking, than configure them to your sticks and use them yourselves; there is absolutely nothing stopping that.
Out of all the examples you guys come up with, Marvel and SF4 Gief Lariat have got to be some of the stupidest. Good job. If anything, that Gief example gives people more ammunition to hate on SF4 for its idiotic properties.
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People need to shut the fuck up about that shit already.
This is also true…but it’s such a smart revelation, that it will be ignored. That’s how shit goes down here: You can’t be smart and be opposition. You have to choose their belief or be persecuted.
look who the fuck you’re agreeing with. Someone from finland who’s probably never been to a tournament and if he has, no big deal because the euros haven’t been good @ sf since a3. Outside of ryan hart, I don’t think anyone else can name another top euro player.
tech romancer JUST started to play marvel and he barely knows his stuff. The marvel example is stupid? you have people like yipes\desmond\vegita x\mixup\larry aka shinblanka EMS, all legends in their own way, saying that shit isn’t fair. Desmond was really reluctant to play fanatiq this year @ SB4 because of his OBD aka BINDED pad setup. Who the fuck would you agree with? new people who just started playing or how about some fucking OG’s THAT ACTUALLY PLAY? anyone who actually plays understands why binds are simply UNFAIR and I’m willing to bet fanatiq will say he’s more consistent with a pad than a stick but I wonder why that would be the case? could it be that binds are possibly helping him? no wayyy, it cant be that?
oh my bad, this is srk. Lets listen to people who just started playing 2 weeks ago instead of OG’s who still play.
I see NON top players saying binds are fair while on the other hand, TOP players are saying they’re UNFAIR… hmmmmmmm… just to be clear, I’m not lumping myself into a TOP player category, far from it.
Yay for denouncing the views of whole ****ing continents!:rock:
why should anyone take the EURO’s seriously anyway? you guys haven’t DONE SHIT and are extremely super omega FARAYYY, except for ryan hart who is an amazing player. To be good @ a 3d as well as 2d is an extreme accomplishment that not many people can do.
If he vouches for some of his friends who he thinks can compete in the us\japan\canada, I may believe him. He’s been in the scene for a long time and a world champ to boot, its not like I can automatically dismiss what he says.
This is the equivalent to listening to american sports radio to talk about soccer\football. We suck @ soccer over here so why the fuck would you listen to us?
I’m sure asia feels the same way about the U.S. so why give europe a hard time