B-MAN rules???
i dont know what B-MAN rules are, but they sound fucking serious!
B-MAN rules will be an SRK meme in… NOW!
Turbo is always banned. I believe macros should be too. If you can’t hit 3P, 3K, 2P, 2K, PK, etc. then practice more on your pad/stick. Fuck a shortcuts.
I remember seeing tournaments years ago that stated “turbo” being banned. Possibly even “button mapping”.
Being a pad player (learning stick for HDR and SF4 though), p3 and k3 attacks are needlessly difficult on the button mapping that I have (not so much k3, more so with p3 but not impossible). Now can I change my button mapping to something like MK style on the 4 face buttons, so that fitting the p3 and k3 buttons is much easier? Sure, then again I’d rather not have to change my button layout that I’ve been using some SF2WW on the SNES just to play a character with p3 and k3 buttons (which is now all the characters).
should button mapping within the game engine by banned? it probably shouldn’t be (especially for pad players), but theres no reason why people on sticks woiuld ever use them.
SNES SF2 I believe switched controls. Back in WW I think Zangief only needed 2 buttons to press for lariat. But that changed in HF back to needing 3 buttons. Then again you can also turn off buttons in HF (or was it SSF2), so you only had 1 punch or 1 kick but because of that you had 1 button turn punches/lariats.
Shinblanks point on getting the SF4 fightpad (AE fightpad and saturn 6 button face pad for that matter), why should specific controllers be banned and force us to purchase some 3rd party controller if we want to partake in a tournament? Why should the stock PS3/360 pads be banned? If youi’re going to go that route then you might as well ban all 8 button fight sticks and force stick users to only play on custom sticks. Since by default those extrga 2 buttons have p3 and k3 binded to the extra buttons.
I understand what you’re saying. I just feel that if tournaments are hosted on a console, they should have rules tailored for consoles rather than emulating arcades. It makes more sense to me like that from a competitive standpoint.
Balla fo real RESPECC
So it turns out there IS a way to trick the turbo function into working every single frame, guaranteeing one-frame links. I’m afraid to explain it, because I don’t want to put it in writing because this means that this shit actually guarantees the hardest combos in the game with ease, I just did 50 MP, MK links with Gen in a row.
We need to find a way to stop this shit, period. Is there a way for Markman to see this thread and remove the turbo function from the sticks completely? This is a huge risk.
isn’t that a 2 frame link though? gen’s mp is +6 on hit and his mk has 5 frames startup… so mk can hit on the 5th or 6th frame of hitstun? or am i fucking up my math on this? also i thought there was a difference between s.mp and close s.mp… could be wrong on that one though, i know eventhubs frame data only has 1 listing… but yeah correct me if i’m doing my math wrong on this one.
I don’t think he’s saying we should ban ps3\360 pads. They’re fine but when you button map with them, it becomes a problem. When you button map 3p\3k, there is a mistake you can’t make. You’ll never miss pressing 3p\3k EVER. You even see people like valle do stuff like SRK, FADC, EX SRK. People mess this input from time to time and it really doesn’t matter who you are. You will miss 3p\3k @ some point. Then think about the advantage you’ll have if you play as rog in ST who can charge his TAP while having every other normal available to him. When you play rog on stick and you want to TAP, there’s certain buttons you can’t use because those buttons are storing the TAP. This is beyond broke and I’m sure other players can find more examples.
By switching to the saturn controllers, this eliminates any kind of button mapping because there’s only 6 buttons. I don’t think this will ever happen though lol but its a thought in the right direction.
someone also mentioned driving HOURS to go to a tournament but only to find people button mapping crap. Thats not really fair\fun. I drive x amount of hours and now you guys are playing by some bump ass rules? why did I waste that trip for this crap?
woops, double post.
sf4 shouldn’t even be using 3x anything i think that shit is outdated. why isn’t it two buttons.
I feel like I’m failing to understand why this just now became game breaking news.
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Lol, I fucking LOVE this type of horseshit whining. First using a pad was stupid because we couldn’t POSSIBLY be as good as if we used a stick, now we should be fucking TOP TIER players because we can magically win games by having a binding to 3p/3k?
Let me ask you something, honestly…how in the FUCK do you expect someone to hit all three punches and kicks with only their thumb? Seriously, you sit back and think about that one…because I’ll tell you things that us pad users can’t do which…by all means are far more detrimental than the mistake of missing the 3p or 3k input. Yes…it’s possible to miss that input if you don’t have a binding, but on the large scale…that’s probably the last thing you will miss out of a complicated combo. That DP FADC EX SRK is more likely going to happen due to fucked up joystick motions and SF4’s shortcuts, not because of the 3P miss.
But here’s a quick breakdown of shit we can’t do that someone who uses a stick has available.
- PLink (sf4 only obviously). On a madcatz fightpad you CANNOT plink. I use chun and hit 1f links about 80% without plinking, can you?
- Pianoing, again…on a fightpad it’s almost impossible to do this without the slide method, where it’s more likely to accidentally mash out an EX move than successfully do the LL/HHS combo you’re trying to do. So players like WhaWhat don’t use those combos, and they still kick ass because they excel at other shit that matters far more.
- Cancelling (excludes SF4), Rapid Canceling, Roman Canceling, etc. Cut that any way you want, that type of input where it requires 3 inputs at once is also impossible on pad. Again, that’s not SF4, but for the sake of arguments you can’t tell me that i’m wrong on that one.
You mentioned using Saturn pads to eliminate the option, guess what… there is nothing like that available for 360, and if you honestly tell me i can’t bind a complex input to my shoulder buttons, which BY DEFAULT are set by Capcom/Arc Systems/etc… I’ll kindly tell you to go fuck yourself in the ass with the stick you seem to be so elitist about.
I’m not saying turbo shouldn’t be banned, because turbo’s lame as fuck and takes away from obvious hard links, but if you HONESTLY think that a 3 button input is that difficult and binding gives us pad users some broken advantage, you seriously need to /yourself.
you act like I’ve never played on a PAD ever when in fact, I’m always on a pad for ggpo. I know the difficulties.
piano technique on a pad. Very possible, especially with a ps2\ps3 controller and not really that hard.
dunno wtf plinking is but people have been doing 1f links w\o it WAY before sf4 and much higher than 80% I might add. I play marvel, your 1f shit doesn’t really scare me lol. Matter of fact, I deal with more 1f technicalities in 1 round of marvel than a sf4 player does in 3 rounds.
roman canceling a pad, not that hard. use your thumb to hit lp\lk and use your index finger to hit one of the shoulder buttons. pretty fucking simple. I used to play a2 on ggpo and to custom combo someone, it requires a 3 button input. I never had a problem with it. maybe you just suck without your binds? There’s an a2 akuma player on ggpo and he does everything MANUALLY on a pad. Everything from TK inputs, roman canceling, piano, mashing out of shit, you literally can’t tell he’s playing on a pad till you ask him. Everything you complained about, this guy does FLAWLESSLY on a pad.
ex attacks. Use your thumb to hit lp\lk then use your index finger to hit fp\fk @ the same time.
to hit 3p or 3k on a saturn pad, flip your thumb to the side and hit the button long ways. On a ps2 pad use your thumb to hit inbetween lp\mp and use your index finger to hit FP.
its a pad, there are techniques just like on a stick. Get used to it. Fuck this pussy footing around and binding crap. Everything you complained about, I can do on a pad. I can’t do it as well as I can on a stick but thats only because I learned how to play on a stick. If pad was my only to play, I could easily master every single one of the things you complained about.
and yes, having a pad and binding 3p\3k does\can give you an unholy advantage. Look @ fanatiq in mvc2, everyone in the community wanted to ban OBD, one button dash, because of the fact that he could not mess up a dash or air dash ever. There was a mistake who could NEVER make and that within itself is a HUGE advantage. Is it a huge advatnage in sf4, probably not but its an advantage none the less.
This is why more people prefer the arcade scene. None of this crap where you can bind shit. The playing fields are supposed to be equal which is what the arcade environment promotes.
Saturn pad has shoulder buttons by the way. For B-MAN people on pad, use claw style. I know a dude who uses button maps in VF. Won’t name him since he posts on SRK, but that shit is gross beyond belief. He does it since it’s more consistent, for him, than pressing two buttons at the same time and probably to piss me off(still love him tho’…sorta homo).
I’m all for banning button mapping too.
I bind in VF, so what? P+G to circle button…matter of fact…I change the WHOLE setup. VF default on pad is fucking stupid and anyone who thinks otherwise must be a squid.
And B-Man refers to the ones who want to ban binding. Don’t use my shit.
everything pad players complain about, I’ve seen done on a pad CONSISTENTLY. So why is there still an issue about this? it can be done. I think most of you pad players are just lazy and don’t want to put in the extra work to make sure you don’t have to use binds because the binds step up your consistency.
Person I’m talking about uses stick. PS2 and Saturn pad work for VF (R1/Right Shoulder button for block) punch (square/b) kick(triangle/c) without button mapping.