Vega: SSF4 2012: Apology Edition

RedVega · December 6, 2011, 11:07am

Alright, folks. I only was able to test a few things out before, during and after the tourney and here are my impressions of Vega’s buffs.

Giving him back his original sweep damage from Vanilla I think makes a HUGE difference in 2012 since he basically got the damage he did back in Super that was nerfed in AE, namely his cr. mp and cr. mk. I was able to to get a lot of counter hit sweeps on people and the damage added up quick, It definitely helped in my match against F. Champ when I caught Sim’s limbs with counter hit sweep (btw I considered Champ to be my wall in trying to become better at this game so I was ecstatic when I finally beat him in tourney for the first time in 2 years! :D)

The knockdown from his Sky High Claw is cool, but I don’t think I’m ever going to land it on a smart opponent during a tourney. Plus, they can quick get-up from it so I’m not sure if there any viable mix-ups after the knockdown whether they quick get-up or not. I will test more once it comes out on console or if I go to Southtown again before then.

I tried testing his CH>U1 in training mode after the tourney, but I wasn’t able to pull it off at all. It must be tough to do and it might be impractical, but I’ll kepe trying again once the update hits. I also tried lk ST>U1 (Vegaman asked me to test this) and I can confirm it doesn’t work whether the opponent is standing or neutral jumping.

Overall, I feel like Vega is really solid and he almost feels like Super Vega again…almost lol. I dunno maybe it’s just me wanting to believe Uryo’s tier list! He felt right to me this past weekend though.

Cubano, thanks for the feedback although I was wondering what were your thoughts concerning Vega’s less unsafe cosmic heel?
If any…

elcubanoloco · December 6, 2011, 11:21am

It definitely feels safer since it is now -3, but it is still unsafe at point-blank range. I think Jimmy aka “Mr. Naps” punshed with crouch jabs into a combo every time I did it too close. I’ll have to re-watch the footage again to make sure.

Vegaman · December 6, 2011, 12:41pm

not seeing it so probably not

cant find it… looked at all 3 1:45. unless you mean 1 minute 45 sec

Edit: checked all the 1 minute 45 secs too and nada.

i was looking for the rainbow and saw the match against Jimmy. The only CH you got punished for that was “unsafe” was a counterhit… so you were pressing buttons.
Lots of Floe Face
Lots of Backdash
Lots of losing your turn
Lots of talking to chic
Lots of impressive matches
Not many “unsafe” CH’s

BshidoHEAT · December 6, 2011, 5:23pm

Thanks for the updates Elcubano!

pedoviejo · December 9, 2011, 11:44am

so is the game out???

I almost regret asking this question.

Emersion · December 9, 2011, 1:59pm

its out in arcades since the 3rd, will be out on consoles the 13th.

Th3_JoK3R_J · December 13, 2011, 3:50am

I like these numbers from AE12 with Claw player Reiketsu

[LIST]
[]Reiketsu Vega || Fuudo Fei Long: 3-2
[]Reiketsu Vega || Nemo Yang: 11-8
[/LIST]
but hate these numbers

[LIST]
[]Daigo Ryu || Reiketsu Vega: 4-1
[]Daigo Ryu || Reiketsu Vega: 8-2 (Match 2)
[*]Kazunoko Seth || Reiketsu Vega: 2-0
[/LIST]
Seth is just prolly a bad match-up for Vega…

source- http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/dec/12/ssf4-ae-2012-daigo-sticks-ryu-fuudo-hits-matchup-trouble/

Vegaman · December 13, 2011, 3:54am

you also have to remember… that’s daigo and kazunoko

Th3_JoK3R_J · December 13, 2011, 5:26am

Yea you still gotta remember Reiketsu is one of the best top Vega players we have. If he can’t really do anything that what other Vega players can do.
I seen some good Vega players fall to top level Seth players.

Vegaman · December 13, 2011, 12:37pm

yeah but raiketsu vs daigo…

i dont even think raiketsu has been playing half as long as daigo.

Francys_Pai · December 13, 2011, 2:50pm

Anyone with this game now that it’s live (Currently isn’t in the EU) wanna reel off if Vega’s CH > U1 has to be AA/absolute pixel maximum or not to work?

Vegaman · December 13, 2011, 3:17pm

actually IMO it’s easier than in AE… although it could be because i did so many attempts on it. It does need to be AA though. The trick is to do it just before they land. Like literally they are at knee level.

CH to U1 does 465 and 484 on counterhit
counterhit cMK to U2 is back
FA buff is really noticable. it used to to go halfway through the claw… now it goes to the tip.
everything else other than the listed changes feels exactly the same.

no iframes on any ST
no hitbox buff on cHP or sHK
no faster startup on any RCF
no ST to U1 at all. (even tried just 1 hit on MK and HK versions) goes right through.

all his normals feel exactly the same.

Edit:

Just checked the data for damage and stun and nothing hidden…yet. testing specials now

just remember that EX SHC will not whiff on anyone anymore including vega… so you better start blocking it.

[S]Edit 2: found nerf… FBA using the claw strike down 20 damage from 90 to 70[/S] (my bad incorrect)
Edit 3: as far as damage stun and properties, nothing else has changed. I cannot say for certain on hitboxes though (except cHP and sHK)

vagabond_zero · December 13, 2011, 4:06pm

are you sure about claw strike nerf?..remember it does diferent damage depending on if it is a hk fba, mk fba or lk fba…i know you are most likely aware of this but i just wanted to make sure…i don’t know if ill be avaible to have the game yet i have the phisical copy of the disc and i heard is giving people a lot of troubles…

Vegaman · December 13, 2011, 4:11pm

actually i didnt know that lol

yeah xbl physical disc wont update… psn physical disc will… i really dont wannt play psn

retesting claw strike

galahand86 · December 13, 2011, 4:25pm

claw strike is unchanged.At first i thought they improved the startup of mp.roll as it comboed with cr.mk xx mp.roll on crouching chars at point blank range.
But this used to be working anyways in previous versions as well…

Vegaman · December 13, 2011, 4:34pm

yeah i did a strikethrough on that already

Viper did get buffed though…
EX Seismo Feint is now HP Seismo Feint.

Invincible to hit and throw but without the meter cost it’s always been.

Crimson_Assassin15 · December 13, 2011, 6:04pm

Just coming to report cosmic heel> u1 is AA cosmic heel only I even tried it on dhalsim, and I didn’t have enough charge to land it from max CH distance.
I’ll try counter hit CH but I doubt it.

Th3_JoK3R_J · December 13, 2011, 6:33pm

It feels impossible to me to use U1 combo on grounded opponent, not enough charge time.

vagabond_zero · December 13, 2011, 6:38pm

how about SHC on block is it still like -20 on block?..i was hopping that it will recover faster or have more block stun or meaby more push back…is it posible to fallow up sch on hit whit something?..like cmp meaby?..anyway cosmic hell into U1 AA only is a mild dissapointment but within what was expected…happy to know there is no claw strike nerf…i wouldn’t have being surprise if that was the case…also the FA was actualy buffed and not as some people have sugested just a pointless change extending the hitbox towards vega…(it wouldn’t have been such a surprise)…meaby there is a change in the juggle after CH…CH->U2 may be slightly easier…(i couldn`t do it even in super anyway)

Meteo2 · December 13, 2011, 7:21pm

Been playing a bit this morning, no ninja buffs/nerfs detected yet.
U1 can juggle off of a CH like in trial 24, no big deal. I suspect it will juggle better off of a EX-FBA trade but its going to be quite hard to do. Still going to stick with U2.
Big change is that +1 to CH.

RCF cancels are still 1-frame links even off of EX, so no adjustments to dash I don’t think. FA looks samey, cr.LK doesn’t combo into cr.LP. Can’t juggle ST into U1 ever, Vega still beautiful.
same same : )