Yes XD.
Blocking is overrated. lol. I feel like a rape victim having to sit there and block while every other character has way more options. But it doesn’t piss me off unless I’m playing the twins or someone who KNOWS you HAVE to block then hits you with an ex command grab. Only mashing backflip can get you outta those situations and even that can be punished thoroughly.
And this is what makes me want to cry. His ex scarlet terror has like NO advantage to the regular version. Why even give him an ex ST? lol
figure it out for yourself before you jump the gun and call every move useless
I don’t understand people who say “Vega is fine” or “He doesn’t need invin. AA” and such. I think these are only another way to say “I’m too good a Vega player that I don’t need those” which is a complete lie of course.
You have absolutely no safe choice to avoid a jump-in other than blocking correctly and after that will come all that close fighting in which Vega sucks as even 2 cr.lp is a 1 frame link and their start-up is 4 frames whereas Feil Long can mash his 3 frame starting chain cr.lks to you for free. And you have to live this moments because if you ST you will be hit, not even trade, if you backdash or flip you will be punished. Noone has any more difficulty than him in countering jump-ins. He has nothing to protect his overhead other than jumping, which is 4 frames to be airborn so will get punished.
Let’s look at his normals. fst.hp, cr.hp, fst.mp, cst.mp, fst.lp, cst.lp, cst.lk, all have NO use in a match and except for cst.lp none can be followed by a combo.
And his specials. He has one of the worst specials in the game which is sky high claw. Only EX version is worth sometihng as can be used as a mix-up. His roll is extremely slow and only can be used in the cst.hp -> any roll combo. His ST is the worst AA in the game, cause moves forward while hitting, not his overhead, and has low priority. FBA normal is useless other than the vortex.
His super is the most horrible super in the entire game. And cannot be comboed into.
None of his ultra moves can be comboed into other than focus, or with alien-like execution and timing skills, from a CH. U1’s first part, which is actually the more important part, lacks priority as you will most lie on the ground before you even leave it. U2 is very slow in start-up, and a jumping in Ryu in the arc of his jump will land on the ground and block by the time it hits, or you will slide under a Blanka ball as the hit-box is on the ground.
It is ironic how Vega is famous for his speed but actually his moves, other than walking and jumping are real slow. It is also ironic how wall jump is his trade mark but he lacks invincibility in his U1’s jumping to wall part whereas Makoto has it in her Ultra.
To add more shame, he loses his weapon after certain hits, which drastically hurts his game. I don’t see Rose losing her scarf, or Balrog losing his gloves.
After all this, a person who says “Vega doesn’t need any buff” is totally blind and knows nothing about this game.
Agreed to the extreme point of agreement
And there are some in this game who didn’t have a viable reversal before and still don’t. Vega’s design never was to have a viable LOLDP reversal.
A viable AA, I can be happy with (even then, his mobility and speed is enough). You don’t always need a reversal with invul unless you’re playing against the bastard twins just to punch their command grab in the groin. Even then, if they’re predictable with it you just jump anyway.
Sig worthy
Way to get your point across
You realize that we have covered this ground numerous times over the last two years
It’s a non-issue and you’re just being a bitch, so take a hike
I’m not being a bitch. I’m still playing as the man like mad, and love him. But there are certain truths. And this people who go on saying “he doesn’t need anything more” made the devs say “We thought that Claw players would only want a few more improvements, so we change a couple of small things.” about our Ver.2012 changes.
ex-st gives a much better hit box as well as fireball immunity
you can react to the jump in. im well aware that you can’t react to all jump ins but most of them you can. you can also anticipate the jump in if you train your opponent to jump at you (by frustrating them on the ground). since everyone is itching to exploit vega’s weakness, you can take advantage from there. again, not fool proof but it’s an option.
even though ST has no invincibility you can still use it as a reversal because of its good hitbox; especially the ex version
learn which characters you can reversal and when. vega isn’t as helpless as he seems during these pressure strings. it’s not a spammy srk but if you pick and choose your battles you can make your opponents respect you more
as an AA (as in they jump at you while you have a db charge) it’s actually decent and again this is due to its hitbox. few characters have a jump in that outright stuffs ST, many trade and many also lose clean to ST. if you trade you can usually follow up with another for more damage, or at the very least you reset faster and get some breathing room. the move that make st lose outright are usually short and jab moves, which are low damage and give you a reset anyway.
that’s a mainstay for his character. id rather have him lose mask and claw than not. it would be like blanka not having electricity or zangief not grappling.
picking them up isn’t that hard either. continue playing the match as you normally would and you’ll likely have them both back in the next 7 seconds.
any-who im done commenting on what i wanted to.
im FOR vega getting ex-st invincible btw. it would make life much easier on the whole
@ gross indencency
Vega’s Super is not useless and you can indeed combo into it, hit the training room and experiment with RCF and you’ll find a pleasant surprise. And Makoto has I-Frames on the way to the wall because her damage output on that Ultra is laughable compared to BHC, especially with mask off.
And why make ridiculous blanket statements? You do realize that some of the best Vega players out there feel his doesn’t need anything, aside from MAYBE a few hitbox tweaks. To come out and say, ‘if you don’t agree with me then you know nothing about this game’ is not a smart move dude, but I see Joz already got to you regarding that.
It is indeed a non-issue, nobody in here wants to step in that pile of dog shit again and I’m suprised Pai and Joz even responded to you because we’re trying to let the ‘why doesn’t Vega have this’ thing die off, because it’s plagued this forum a long time…I haven’t been here but 4 months and I can still say that with confidence. Whatever you have to say has already been said, so save your breath. The ironic thing is that I actually sort of agree with you, regarding I-F EX ST, but it’s time to move on brah. Its been 3 years, they’ll never give it to us. Work with what you have (a lot) and stop thinking about what you ‘should’ have, especially now since the last changes to AE are out. I suggest reading View’s post on EX-ST in the matador video thread, it’s very informitive.
Aside from that just try to shift gears. I came in raging about Cosmic Heel but it didn’t help shit, so now that it’s outta your system just let it die, and focus on what we can do with what we have, lest you like the bitch label, which I’m sure no one does.
Welcome to the Vega forums 
I just want to say it’s easy for some people to insult other people on the internet… but will they follow through with their same words face to face to the other person? Will they insult other people up close to make the problem even much worse and cause a fight? I hope yall know how to fight…
It is not a combo, you just cancel it into the super.
I didn’t say that. I only pointed out some facts. Everyone can have their opinions, I would be the last person to say what you tought. If it was heard like that, sorry.
Thanks.
Of course they wouldn’t.
on wakeup, everyone has to block. if you choose not to block then you better have a damn good reason to press a button because 90% of everyone competent will safe jump you. No option short of a counter (dudley, cammy, fei), or viper’s ex seismo feint will get you out of those.
on frame traps vega has no viable reversal… so what do you need to do?
block
why?
because pressing any button opens you up to a counter hit
when you’re dealing with command throw/low/high mixup?
you block
why?
because taking throw or even command throw damage is better than taking full combo damage.
blocking is underrated if anything because hardly anyone does it. yet almost the entirety of the game revolves around blocking. why did daigo lose to both latif and poongko at evo… because he didnt block. He played almost like an idiot up kicking on almost every wake up when he would have been better off just blocking the jump in/ burn kick.
as unsafe as far standing HP is no one ever punishes me for it lol.
cHP is useful against cammy rufus and the twins dive kick as well as rog and hawk
LP RCF is a good near full screen poke. the range on that move is rediculous
cMK combos into MK RCF on certain characters
yes he needs buffs
we know…
not everything he has is useless though
SHC is still useless
I request another Vega buff. The ability to taunt while crouching
taunt 2
I want invul too. Blocking puts you at such a disadvantage, and some matchups are just way too demoralizing.
whatever you are smoking or taking, I want some now. And it better not be none of that marijuana shit.
Seriously the bolded moves have so many uses.
Yea why use insults on the computer when you won’t use them in face to face conflicts? If yall ever meet each other at a tourney or anywhere else feel free to make a fool out of yourself there too don’t just do it it on the computer… >_>