USF4 | Stream Commentary Thread

They do not only play in a lot of different tournaments(Playing in online tournaments isn´t a huge problem in Dota 2, you can imagine, what this means), they even win more money from them. I mean, the Dota 2 business model is great for those dudes. You play in a week in 4-5 different tournaments online(mostly qualifying matches), don´t need to travel everewhere, have a sponsor, can win a lot of money in big tournaments. For example the Dota 2 Champions League is an online tournament, winning team gets 50.000$, 25% of ticket sales will be added to the prize pool. I think Xian has only won 6.000$ at EVO 2013, just sayin. Keep in mind that he had to travel to get there.

So Gamerbee and Fuudo go to the Asia Finals for the Capcom Cup Qualifier in Singapore.

I would rather watch milk boil and iron rust than watch Fei Long fight. My God man it’s boring.

The fact that our games cannot be played online seriously sure doesn’t help the whole growing thing.

The fact that people don’t understand the genre is about space control is a bigger issue probably. They just see fireball spam into which they stumble headfirst and die.

That is really the main problem.
What Street Fighter needs is cheat free online play with geat response time that doesn’t rely on each others connections/framerates.


Well…

Long sets are a better indicator of who is the better player. More chance to adapt and counter adapt, and tricks won’t be enough. This is why Topanga League is the best tournament. You face EVERYONE, so no easy path or hard path or whatever, and it is FT7 (I believe?). So if u win Topanga league, u were the best person there without question. Hail Sako!

New mexican major coming in 3 weeks, this time in Mexico City (My City!), SnakeEyez, Justin Wong, PR Rog and Ricky Ortiz will be coming along with most of the mexican top players (Master, Gama, Chris, Goro, Deadmaker (the Hakan who beat Nemo at EVO), Jazdero, along with some others that I’ll post here once I know who’s coming for sure). There will be AE, UMvC3, MvC2 (!), KoF XIII, DoA5, Mortal Kombat and Brawl. There will apparently be 3 streams, I’ll post that stuff here once the event gets closer and I get the links.

Look out for Shivers (using Zangief).

Tokido/Momochi was sick

the tokido momochi set basically proved what blufang said, tokido was 4-0 up and momochi completely adapted to his gameplay. the vortex completely stopped working and the whole thing boiled down to tokido dealing with momochi’s insane block string pressure.

Where?

EDIT: OK, Topanga. Seriously, people, if you talk about an event that isn’t the topic atm, please for goodness’ sake mention what damn event you’re talking about. Hunting them out isn’t all that fun.

Do you have a link to the Tokido vs Momochi Topanga set?
Ken is my favorite character since SF2 WW and I love to watch Momochi play.

Think Momochi is holding out on using Ken against Infiltration until the Capcom Cup? He didn’t even bother with Ken against Infiltration in Korea nor at NCR when he started using him again.

Both of them were already in the Asian qualifier, there really wasn’t any point to give info to the other considering that they will have to play again in Asia.

Momochi(Ken) vs Tokido

Mochi vs Mago(Fei)

Final matches from Topanga.

dota isnt any easier to get into

additionaly to getting owned a new player will also get flamed by his team and reported for feeding

I could be wrong, maybe someone else can say it better than me, but if you played RTS games like WC3 or RPGs like Diablo 2, then I felt that getting into DOTA 2 wasn´t that hard(Of course I needed some time to learn things(denying, laning,jungling etc), but after watching high level matches, it wasn´t actually hard). Knowing some basics from strategy games actually helps a lot, unless you never played one.
Maybe it is just me.

About fighting games, the thing is, playing the fighting games of one series like Street Fighter will teach someone, how to play SF games as an example, not Tekken or Marvel. However there is still the problem, different games of the SF series like (SF3 vs SF4) will again teach different things.

you guys are taking this “downloading/holding information” shit way too seriously. this is street fighter, not restricted rock paper scissors.

Having RTS experience helps you in Dota just as much as it helps you having played Tekken 3 when you pickup Street Fighter.
You understand the basic controls quickly, but it doesn’t really help you get into the game itself.

I played Warcraft 3 intensively before I switched to DotA and I played the game like a fucking retard for about 4 years with very minimal improvement.
I only started getting drastically better when I started to watch pro DotA replays which was about the same time I joined a team that actually scrimmed against other organized teams, which gave me perspectives about the game that were alien to me before.

Before I quit Dota 2 a couple of month ago, I was playing against/with people like SingSing, Puppey, Waga, Synderen and many more, while getting regularly on page 1-3 on the watch tab.
In contrast to that 3 years ago when I was still playing DotA inhouse leagues, nobody would vouch me into the good leagues cuz I sucked so hard and I’d constantly get raped by people I’d totally shit on today in 1v1 laning situations.

I guess what I want to say is that no, having a played a game similar in style doesn’t help you at all if they’re that disparate from each other.
You can take certain ideas from one PvP game into another that help you but you have to put a lot of work into the new game in order to really excel at it.

By the way I was so fucking disappointed in the online capabilities of Street Fighter 4 and MK9 when I picked them up after playing RTS style games for such a long time.
Coming from Warcraft 3 and LoL/Dota 2, it seems to me that fighting game developers are still stuck in the stone age of competitive online play and gaming infrastructures.
I actually thought about sending a letter to Capcom with my ideas for a free to play fighting game, but sadly I’m a nobody and pretty sure my ideas are gonna fall on deaf ears.

It’s not fighting game developpers, it’s Japan.
Just look at Nintendo and Sega view of streaming / youtube. Their vision of online and competition is 10 years behind the western world.
Capcom was still completely unable to understands how to make a fair DLC model 2 years ago.

Overall, it’s a pretty hard adjustment for how they used to look at the industry.