USF4 Ken Match-up Thread: Updating 1st Post Edition!

Yes.

God, I still feel like a retard so often in this game. People do the dumbest crap and I fall for it. I have so much to learn. Anyway, two seemingly stupid things I’ve been falling victim to recently are:

Bison’s Devils Reverse: I swear, people can spam it for free and it seems like all I do is let myself get hit by it. If they steer it towards you to hit you, what’s the proper response? I try to MP SRK it, but it seems like that fails a lot. Am I just timing it wrong? Or is that not a good punish or does it depend on his spacing? If that’s not the answer, what is? Cr.MK? Cr.HP? Or do I just need to block? And if block, is there a good follow-up? Also, I know the EX DR hits much harder. Do I need to treat that differently?

Cody’s Last Dread Dust Ultra: For some reason, tonight I’ve run into multiple people that threw this out at random. I blocked it every single time. However, it feels like after blocking the initial dust you could MP SRK / EX SRK / Ultra to punish. But every time I tried that, I just ate the rest of the Ultra. Am I just timing my punishes wrong? Or do you have to block the whole thing?

This is the attack where he stomps you first and then dive down on you with an arm stretched out right? If so: Block the stomp and the start up a focus attack. This will ensure your safety as you either get a full connected focus or he flees. Beware though of the EX version as it is armor breaking.

It’s all about timing. If you block the spray of dust you are able to punish with shoryu and ultra. If they throw this out at random then pick U2 to be able to punish the Last Dread Dust as they dish it out. Projectile invincibility = Winning.

That’s good to know about the head stomp follow up, but no. I’m talking about the move where he flies up in the air without hitting you and then comes down. Does that one work the same way as the head stomp follow up? That’d be nice. Being able to focus that would be dope, and honestly I feel a bit dopey for not trying that already. LOL!

Ok, good. It certainly looked that way. Follow up question: Can you only punish with U2 or does U1 work as well? I need to start working U2 into my game more, but right now it seems a lot easier for me to combo in U1 so I use that in the majority of my matches.

Hey guys, what are Ken’s options against Akuma’s unblockable in the corner? Backdash or SRK? I remember trying LP SRK but it got stuffed…

Oh that move! Yeah it’s the same thing there. Just focus the damn thing. I think, as you mentioned, that it’s the exact same move as the head stomp follow up. Don’t feel dopey. I didn’t think of that myself either. A friend playing Dictator told me :slight_smile:

U1 works just as good. Yeah I know how you feel. The U1 is much easier to combo into and a whole lot more appealing to the eye of you get full connection with it. They both have there pros and cons. The lack of okizeme being U2’s greatest downside.

SRK’s will be stuffed by the LK. Backdash: I have no idea if that works very good. Try it. I often find myself praying to the internet gods and then just afterwards I end up cursing every living soul involved in the making of SSFIV and Akuma. :wink:

Hehe, well I feel dopey because I got pretty good at SF2 (HF/ST/HDR) and knew the counter to just about anything with anyone. In this game, I feel like retards own me with stupid crap and I can recognize it’s stupid, but don’t know what to counter it. It’s very frustrating. Anyway…so if they do EX Head Stomp follow up or Devil’s Reverse, what should I do there? Just block?

Yeah, I really need to hit training mode with U2 more. Right now I don’t feel confident landing the U2 setups in real matches AT ALL. Someday I’ll get there :sweat:

PS: Thanks for all the tips!

Well this game is full of so much bs so I don’t know where to start. I feel that every time I play something new comes up that makes me scream at the top of my lungs.

If they do the EX Head Stomp or the EX follow up on it (follow up on head stomp and Devils Reverse being the same thing) then you should just block. You could try using cr.hp just to see if it’s any good against the EX versions. That attack just popped into my head as I write so I will try it as well. But as I have learnt the hard way: Sometimes, just blocking, is a good choice :wink:

Go get 'em tiger. One more thing about the U2. Learn the spacing when you can use a HP Hado or need to use a EX Hado to land the U2 after the FADC. And a noteworthy trick about it is that you can land the U2 after a cross up EX tatsu. But for the EX tatsu trick you need to learn to buffer it. Otherwise you will do like me and blast the ultra off even if they block the cross up. ><

Don’t mention it! I’m just glad I can help when I can :slight_smile:

If bison does anything involving in the air that’s not a normal jump just smack him out of the air on reaction with jump hp. Or use cr.mk to make the devils reverse whiff or focus dash throw.

Focus akuma’s unblockable but go forward back forward instead if just away from the corner.

Thanks for all the info guys! I love that this forum is active and has good responses :lovin:

Corner setup against fei long:-
Throw > Tiny step back > Whiff cr.mk > J.mk unblockable OS heavy DP auto correct motion ( Forward, Down, DownForward, Down , Downback + HP )

Unblockable
Uncrouchable
Reversal flame kick STUFFED
All reversal chicken wings beaten by OS’ed DP
Forward dash beaten my OS’ed DP
Back dash beaten by OS’ed DP
Late flame kick whiffs, and beaten by OS’ed DP

Does any one have tips on using u2 with fireball users. Cause when i expect it I always guess wrong or have the wring spacing.

Wow I feel like a noob. I never knew there’s was a motion for an auto correct dp. I just thought it auto corrects. Shows there’s a lot to learn in the world lol

Is there a motion?

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Additional to the corner unblockable on feilong, ken can do the same setup with J.hp to make his U2 whiff! The only downside is that fei can block it normally, but it looks like it’s gonna crossup so its still tricky to block. Again, OS’ed with SRK it beats all of his wakeup options as mentioned above.
I’d go with J.mk unblockable if fei is picking U1, I’d do the J.HP if he has U2.

Edit: both if these setups are blockable midscreen, and feilong can do a very late auto correct DP, and reversal LK chicken wing beats this setup midscreen, use wisely.

O_O…nice!

btw: for auto correct dp you just have to press the punch button of choice a tiny bit later than usual. This will make it auto correct also. There is also a way where you just swing the stick back and forth between downforward and downback and then press punch to make it auto-correct. A swedish Gouki player called Keffi showed it to me.

been playing a lot of Ken lately since I’ve been kinda disenchanted with Abel lately, and with AE coming out soon the switch seems to make pretty good sense.

I’ve been doing pretty well against local players but overall I lack the matchup knowledge that I have with Abel. Just read through the Balrog section and I have to say I learned a ton.

Good shit to putting this together sir