I think he believes the only characters that are viable are Morridoom and those that can beat that team. No?
I mean the comment could be stupid.
Look, I am up to talk about this in an actual gentleman-ly fashion. Just shitting on everything I say doesn’t benefit anyone. The percentage was used by a person who quoted my comments (#354) and I was referring to the expression “100%” that can be used as “completely”, just like he was. I was merely continuing that reference. I wasn’t giving specific percentages because there is no such thing, obviously.
As for the tournament quote, I will admit that was ill-worded for what I meant to convey. I merely meant to show that he is not showing up in the higher stages in most to all tournaments, meaning top players aren’t picking him because he isn’t as useful.
This is a matter of opinion. I do not believe that Ryu can be more useful than other characters who offer the same things he does and I believe that his damage output is not anything to write home about. There are better characters to do the job, therefore I do not believe he is completely viable.
However, usability and viability are different things. Go ahead and use Ryu, he is fun as hell to play. Jill was so much fun to play in MvC2. As for viable, not so much. I feel like a team would suffer from having Ryu by missing out on the opportunity to use another character who offers more.
Again, THESE ARE OPINIONS. Make a rebuttal with actual thought and substance, not just useless bull.
Honestly, as a spectator there is only like 3-4 things Marvel 3 needs to change if they do an update (other than individual character tweaks)
X-Factor nerf. Even with all the tech out there to combat it level 3 x-factor is a consistent tool that leads to one character victories due to derp. Damage and speed boost should be toned down for level 2 and 3 xfactor. It’s plenty good enough to just have the time extend by 5seconds for each character missing it doesn’t need to have so much damage too.
Slightly less time to OTG, especially after an air throw. The window for OTGing in Marvel 3 is huge, I’m pretty sure it’s around 2full seconds or close to it.
Across the board ~10%-15% damage nerf to make killing a single character more expensive via a single combo and to encourage resets/snaps instead.
lastly: flat out remove TACs or change them to a 50/50 guess at worst (E.G. Up and down are broke as 1 and left and right are broke as 1 so you only have to guess 2 directions but the ability to control which direction the TAC goes is kept if you hit the opponent with it) and make them have a timer on the hit stun deterioration removal (e.g. after a certain number of seconds HSD kicks back in no matter what to prevent infinites.)
That of course is coming from a person who doesn’t play the game and strictly from a spectator point of view. So take it with a grain of salt.
I still think that TACs should just cost a bar and not really have any benefits other than switching characters. The whole rock paper scissors mechanic is dumb.
TACs were cool in TvC. I enjoyed ending my frank infinites in TACs to uncombo Power Bomb just before the opponent could get the meter to burst, to add on another 10 billion damage for one bar, was pretty cool. I could support TvC TACs.
I know this is a really popular idea, and I see where people are coming from, but I think it would make missiles completely unusable for some characters while keeping it exactly the same for those who can protect it well (Morrigan, Task, Dorm to some extent).
It wouldn’t be a huge nerf probably, but it would basically let you happy birthday Doom and the point, which is good, because calling Doom poorly, them hitting both, then only getting LMHS into chicken block is dumb.
So instead of the word COMPLETELY (which is STILL stupid, mind you because characters can’t be partly viable), you choose to follow the status quo (which was in much different context) and use 100%? Use the right word, not it’s sister.
Every character in Marvel is viable, there’s no percent on it. They are all viable. There’s no only viable against certain characters, certain matchups,etc. Every character brings something to the table.
do you think before you post?
Do you think before you post? Holy shit, this is just extraordinarily stupid.
You’re opinions are stupid and show a complete lack of knowledge on the characters. I’m not going to actually give you a thoughtful rebuttal, but instead call out the stupidity of your posts because they are so riddled with ignorance it’s not even funny.
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Well this was fun, and as much as I’d love to keep arguing with you about something that started because you cannot actually carry on a decent conversation, I’m done talking to you. These are forums to have conversation, not just saying stuff is stupid just *because it is. *That is useless to a forum, and even if I was bringing up “stupid opinions”, it would behoove you to bring up actual reasons why its “stupid”. How about making smarter people to talk to instead of just shitting on what they say. People like you are why the FGC is viewed poorly.
On top of which, I am not the only one who views Ryu in this light. I have talked to many people who believe that he is not have enough pros to outweigh his cons, and many have found more success by dropping him. This is from what I have seen, heard, and done myself as well. I am not just speaking randomly.
Wrong. Historically, a forum was where intellectual Greek equals went to discuss matters. I do not consider you my equal (through the myriad of your dumbass posts), so logically I don’t have to rebut your posts in any which way.
Anywhoo’s…
So instead of one dumbass, there’s many of you? Holy shit.
That reminds me, I’ve talked to many people who legitimately think that Florida should succeed from the us and have talked to another group of people who believe the world is flat.
Holy shit, they must be on to something!
it’s secede
also i feel like determining viability can kinda be judged by ‘what is the chance of playing the gameplan you want to play vs. theirs’ and the common matchups you are almost guaranteed to encounter in tournament
ryu’s lack of extremely strong movement tools, space control tools and mixups make it so he’s not like an amazing character by any means. i honestly don’t see him do much vs. zero or morrigan which is a pretty massive problem if things ever start to go down that hole.
that is a matchup thing but it’s a pretty integral one when talking about ‘viability’ or tiers or whatever the hell because the realities of common tournament characters will always be there. if your character shits on everyone who isn’t top tier but then gets kicked in the nuts by the three or four most common characters then technically they’re not really ‘viable’. in marvel there’s more flexibility due to how team compositions work but at the same time i feel the general toolsets of the top tier tend to overlap with those in that ryu ‘well i like him and he’s not total butt if i play good enough’ tier. low/mid? i guess?
i’m kinda in the same boat with hawkeye and taskmaster at the moment because respectively vergil and morrigan make their lives hell but i love 'em. they’re obviously still very viable against many opponents (especially taskmaster) but if you hit that matchup wall you better be ready to either outplay your opponent by astronomical amounts or pray to whatever gods you have and hope it pans out.
but that’s not for this thread anyways
enough of this have at you
p.s.here’s a list of wanton garbage requests spewing from my brain for topicality
they should reduce hawkeye’s projectile recovery by a lot. why does this dude have worse projectile frames than rushdown based characters that shit blows my mind. it’s only due to the startup speed of some of his moves that they are useful and even then that’s a big ol crapshoot against characters with strong, safe movement.
also still requesting that vergil, zero, hidden missiles and plasma beam assist get kicked in the fucking nuts and be nerfed to garbage shit because holy fuck they are retarded. also morrigan needs to have real startup on her flight. or something that makes it so she doesn’t have massive reward with little risk. idk exactly what but man she is pretty fuckin’ nuts after all. her rushdown game is kinda ridiculous, she’s got like trijump level mixups when near you. not that st.l flight shell kick garbage either.
also please make taskmaster’s counters put the opponent in hard kd, and have invincible, extremely quick (instant? idk) recovery all the way because it is truly the dumbest thing to be punished for countering things.
also stuff about storm meter, damage scaling and base damage and also more importantly make her specials not worse than magneto’s. aka make them faster, have whirlwind actually do like some form of hitstun and also something with lightning attack and being able to perform actions after it without having to enter flight first. her normals and throws are still worse than magneto’s by a significant margin, so why not at the very least give her an edge in the midscreen/fullscreen/aerial space control game while keeping their output close together (magneto with a larger focus on rushdown, storm with strong runaway/keepaway. y’know, like their roots?)
also all those system changes and stuff i posted before. marvel 2 assist system, no assists on teching, probably the same things about storm and hawkeye and the top tier
most importantly, please give magneto a new alt that is the exact same as his regular outfit but instead of a helmet he has a giant floppy sombrero
ok thanks
Uh Tab I already suggested the sombrero for Magneto in the other thread please stop stealing my million dollar ideas dude.
why do you guys have to argue =(
because internet
and somebody is wrong
We need to buff simple mode.
I actually wouldnt be surprised if they make it better
All suggestions on this page are stupid.
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I mentioned this in the character poll thread, and I’d like to hear some opinions on it.
What if in an update, we got characters that were subject to specific rules in character selection? Giants in TvC are a good example of the idea. People who legitimately enjoy playing as a slow, hulking monstrosity can have their fun against others who want to use the current set-up. A few other ideas are:
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[]Preset teams of four: Something like Captain Commando’s crew or the Fantastic Four as one team of four could be interesting. You have to make a combination of the Fantastic Four, but you get to have four characters instead of 3. Since you can only make a configuration of four specific characters, it doesn’t seem too hard to balance.
[]One Man Team: If X-Factor is so derpy, I have a question for you all: Would a team of one character in permanent X-Factor 3 be broken? Keep in mind, you can only eat 1 TOD, lose the ability to call assists, and lose the ability to X-Factor cancel. Sounds fair.
[*]Tri-Select: Anyone remember having fun with the tri-select (pick the same character 3 times) in Marvel 2? I can only imagine it in this game. 3 Dantes for maximum style, 3 Dooms for all those missiles, or even 3 Sentinels for a true “Sentinel Force”.
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Sounds pretty fun. I can see arguments against it, but it sounds rather fun on paper, no?
Those are the kinda things I think are better relegated to Heroes and Heralds.