Hawkeye isn’t being put to low. A- is perfectly fine for him. He has some good match ups yeah, but a lot of that is dependent on the meta game he’s in. He just lacks the depry mix ups that other characters have. Yeah he has some dirty incoming stuff with exploding tip, but mid match he’s lacking. I see characters like Magneto, Zero, Firebrand, and Trish who can zone/play keepaway as good as Hawkeye and then transition into rush down as threat two his tier status. He’s godlike, no doubt, but you can’t over hype gimlet and his advantage on certain meta games.
Also, I’m not on board that zoning is really a lot better in this game. It’s buffed, but not tremendously. Morrigan + Doom assist is good, but it was in the last game too. The air dash nerf slightly enhanced the ability, but rush down is still king in marvel.
That’s pretty cool lol. While I don’t believe Shuma is S+++ Tier I think he’s in the B-range. I’ve been to a local and used my Shuma/Wesker/Spencer team and got 2nd place. He’s a nimble trickster character no doubt, but as I said before solid damage is what’s key and sadly our friend lacks that. He’s good but not great.
I always type “tear” at some point whenever I make a tier list. It’s done purposefully as a way of me off hand saying to just play who you like to play regardless of how good/not so good your character is. Tiers definitely make up who will control the game but, if you don’t fit play style wise with who controls the game then just pick who you like.
The worse issue is to have a team that doesn’t synergize well with each other than a team of high ass tier “synergize with anybody” characters that don’t fit your style.
Too many people get up in arms about their character being overhyped/underhyped but in the end you gotta make them work despite which they are. In probably the last month I’ve had like 3 random guys blow up the thread lashing out at me for saying Zero is top tier/I feel he beats Wesker or Sent isn’t that good and blah blah. You can have your opinion without crying about it and getting all infracted up basically. LOL.
Well I don’t do many execution heavy things because I’m more of a “keeping it relatively simple” person. But I get 415k midscreen (no meter) with shuma (basic combo) and 615k in a basic corner combo. Resets are relatively effective and simple and I can KO most of the cast in two combos. That being said I have Spencer on my team to punish assists so people won’t use them to keep Shuma out. One Bionic Arm punish is really all it takes. But I think he belongs comfortably in the B Tier with all his other friends lol. Also the worst thing you can do in a match is drop a combo lol. I use combos that I can repeat consistently without fear of making a mistake.
In any event as long as the tier theory discussions stay around the level of Chrisis vs. Mo (a little bit of flavor but nothing out of hand) it should be all good.
I’m just waiting for next Joe Shmoe to be like “zomg you guys aint winning tournaments dont u see wolvie winning the most he the SS tier”. If I get less of that I’ll be good basically.
How can you say a character does low damage when you voluntarily admit you are a “keeping it relatively simple” person. The reason people think shuma is so high is because he wins a lot more than he should be winning because the opponents have 0 shuma matchup knowledge. Shuma, wesker, spencer shouldn’t even work because none of those assists fill the weaknesses he has in approach, but people are still getting hit by mystic smash every time after 11 months into the game:coffee:.
No body beats Hawkeye at zoning except Arthur with the lances and Viper’s seismos. Nobody.Trish can stay up in the air but will come down and since Hawkeye won’t try to rush her and fire his angled shots up there, it isn’t nearly as bad as people think.
You do NOT get in a zoning battle with Hawkeye. Against Hawkeye, it is baiting and hoping the Hawkeye player falls for it. Hawkeye has herp derp mix ups via trick shot and jack rose as well. He is what a zoning character should play like.
I never said they could outzone him. I said they could zone relatively just as good against his same matchups AND rushdown better than him.
And again, I don’t think keepaway tactics are the best method to play marvel 3. Zoning and approaching through the holes you make compliments the system much more, and other character do that in particular better than Hawkeye.
i hate to side track
but i don’t understand how you could think like that when you played viper and ibuki and also guilty gear if i’m not mistaken
which also brings up a question; why don’t you play viper ?
Tier List - a theoretical compilation of the usefulness of the roster of characters in a fighting game. Most commonly used by non-tournament goers and online enthusiasts as means to blame their losses upon. Usually by citing that since X character is better than Y character, the person using X character is at an advantage. On the contrary, tier lists are built upon the skills of people who have proven themselves to be nearly flawless at said game. Meaning that in the everyday world a lower tier character who is in the hands of a better player can still perform well even if the match-up between two characters has been deemed unequal.
Well I just use his insanely long normals as my approach mechanism, and keep to the top of the screen so my opponent has to difficultly guess how to block. Also as I said before, it just takes two combos for a kill. If I play smart and emphasize on those two combos then it doesn’t really matter what else happens Right?
Sure my moves aren’t flashy, but i’ll take simple and consistent damage over complicated damage any day. Shuma doesn’t have trouble getting a hit, but his damage threshold for moderate and dependable bnbs combos are low. Finally, as much as people say that you can grab Shuma out of everything (Actually you’re the only person Ive really heard say this) realistically it’s a challenge. Also if the person is grabbing you out of smash wouldn’t you just super jump and use J.M low to the ground or J.S? Or use MS above their heads so grabbing is basically impossible.
Why do we consider Wesker top tier?
Great damage, low execution, simple and good approach.
Why is Shuma B-tier?
Low damage (dependable bnb), high execution, complicated but effective approach.
Anyway I think i’ve discussed Shuma more in the past hour than I have in the entire year lol. Is he really all that interesting around here? Personally I see him as a cool looking squidimajig.
Hawkeye doesn’t have to rushdown and can via his slide as well. Hawkeye makes the typical rushdown approaches HARDER. Since he can shut down all beam assits with one projectile which means that your usual teleport mix up or airdash mixup become much less reliable out of the fear of him hitting your beam assist as well as him staying on the jack rose which explodes if you combo him so he can then kill off point or assist.
One keepaway character up top is not something new to Marvel or games. Every other character in that placement is a rushdown mainly with some keepaway potential to help them.
A keepaway char that disrupts the normal approach of high tier characters is something that is not to be underestimated due to the human emotion factor getting upset and making an emotional error.