UMVC3 SRK Tier List/Theory Discussion. (NEW THREAD NOW AVAILABLE)

Classic Fighting Games Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3
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**SUPER NINJA NOTE: ****IF YOU’RE GOING TO POST A TIER LIST…PLEASE USE SPOILERS! **Look at bottom of this post for more info

**GRAND TIER LIST **

Tier List is in ABC order. No order within tiers. The only thing differentiating each tier is indicators for which character placed highest and lowest in the CRL.

Look to the CRL list BELOW THE TIER LIST (in a spoiler) to see the popularity strength of each character. For those that want an actual best to worst regard rating for each character.
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Based Tier (Fanatiq Casino)

ThisGuileKillYa, Vision

**Top Tier (9 or 10 points) **

C.Viper, Dante, Dormammu, Magneto, Vergil, Wesker, Zero

High/Mid Tier (7 or 8 points)

Ammy, Doctor Doom, Felicia, Firebrand, Hawkeye, Morrigan, Phoenix, Spencer, Strider, Super Skrull, Taskmaster, Trish, Wolverine,

Mid Tier (5 or 6 points)

Akuma, Captain America, Chris Redfield, Deadpool, Doctor Strange, Frank West, Haggar, Hulk, Jill, M.O.D.O.K., Nova, Rocket Raccoon, Ryu, Sentinel, Spider Man, Storm, Thor, Viewtiful Joe, X-23

Low/Mid Tier (3 or 4 points)

Arthur, Chun Li, Ghost Rider, Iron Man, Nemesis, She Hulk, Tron,

**Low Tier (2 points minimum) **

Hsien Ko, Iron Fist, Phoenix Wright, Shuma,

ALL THE INDIVIDUAL TIER LISTS

POPULAR PERSONAL TIER LISTS

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FOR NEW AFTER SUMMER SLAM TIER LIST >>>> http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/umvc3-srk-tier-list-theory-discussion-new-thread-now-available/139817page-424#post-6940457

http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/umvc3-srk-tier-list-theory-discussion-new-thread-now-available/139817page-254#post-6613540

Consensus Regard List (updated with standard deviation list)

This list below details the level of regard that the consensus had for a character. The higher their number the more people agreed in the strength of that character.

The CRL Spread simply shows how much variance there was between what tier people decided to put each character in. I couldn’t get the spread for every character yet, but I might fill the rest in later.

CONSENSUS REGARD LIST

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**STANDARD DEVIATION LIST by dren. Has most of the stats (may still be a bit off because he compiled an older list where some of the character data was missing) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/umvc3-srk-tier-list-theory-discussion-new-thread-now-available/139817page-429#post-6947827 **

Use the list above for seeing exactly how much discrepancy there was between the tier for each character. Only 3 characters were completely agreed on.

Use the list below for seeing who is strongest in order when it comes to overall strength and who to build a team around. This isn’t exactly 100 percent perfect since it’s based on a consensus, but it shows you an idea of where exactly we feel each character is.

Fanatiq Casino (Make dat guap)
**ThisGuileKillYa **(too many points to classify)

Vision (too many points to classify)

10 points (Perfect Top Tier, consensus completely agrees with tier)
Zero 250/25 = 10 Top Tier (Perfect) CRL Spread = 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10

Vergil 250/25 = 10 Top Tier (Perfect) CRL Spread = 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10

9 points (Top Tier)
C.Viper 248/25 = 9.92 Top Tier

Dorm 244/25 = 9.76 Top Tier

Magneto 240/25 = 9.68 Top Tier

Dante 232/25 = 9.28 Top Tier CRL Spread = 10 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 10 + 8 + 10 + 10 + 8 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 8 + 10 + 8 + 10 + 8 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10

Wesker 228/25 = 9.12 Top Tier CRL Spread = 10 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 10 + 8 + 10 + 10 + 8 + 10 + 10 + 8 + 10 + 8 + 8 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 8

8 points (High/Mid Tier)
**Strider Hiryu 220/25 **= 8.8 High Mid Tier CRL Spread = 10 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 10 + 8 + 8 + 10 + 8 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 8 + 10 + 8 + 10 + 8 + 8 + 10 + 8 + 10

Spencer 218/25 = 8.72 High/ Mid Tier

Firebrand 212/25 = 8.48 High/Mid Tier

Morrigan 208/25 = 8.32 High Mid Tier

Doctor Doom = **202/25 = 8.24 **High/Mid Tier

Phoenix 202/25 = 8.08 High/Mid Tier

Taskmaster 200/25 = **8 **High/Mid Tier (Perfect) CRL Spread = 8x25. Everyone agrees on High/Mid Tier.

7 points (High/Mid Tier)
Felicia = 194/25 7.76 = High/Mid Tier

**Hawkeye 188/25 = 7.52 High/Mid Tier **

Ammy 188/25 = 7.52 High/ Mid Tier CRL Spread = 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 10 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8

Trish 186/25 = 7.44 High/Mid Tier CRL Spread = 6 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8

Wolverine 184/25 = 7.36 High/Mid Tier CRL Spread = 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6

Super Skrull 180/25 = 7.2 High Mid Tier CRL Spread = 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8

6 points (Mid Tier)
Nova 170/25 = 6.8 Mid Tier

Akuma 170/25 = 6.8 Mid Tier CRL Spread = 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 6

Spider Man 162/25 = 6.48 Mid Tier CRL Spread = 6 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6

**Frank 160/25 = 6.4 **Mid Tier

Viewtiful Joe 156/25 = 6.24 Mid Tier CRL Spread = 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 6

X-23 154/25 = 6.16 Mid Tier CRL Spread = 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 4 - 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 8

** Rocket Raccoon 154/25 = 6.16** Mid Tier

Deadpool 152/25 = 6.08 Mid Tier

Sentinel = 152/25 = 6.08 Mid Tier

Modok 150/25 = 6 Mid Tier

Jill 150/25 = 6 Mid Tier

5 points (Mid Tier)
Chris Redfield 148/25 = 5.92 Mid Tier

Storm 148/25 = 5.92 Mid Tier CRL Spread = 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 8 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6

Captain America 140/25 = 5.6 Mid Tier

**Thor 138/25 = 5.52 Mid Tier **CRL Spread = 4 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 6

Doctor Strange 132/25 5.28 Mid Tier

Ryu 130/25 = 5.2 Mid Tier

Hulk 126/25 = 5.04 Mid Tier

Haggar 126/25 = 5.04 Mid Tier

**4 points (Low/Mid Tier) **
Iron Man 122/25 = 4.88 Low Mid

3 points (Low/Mid Tier)
Chun Li 98/25 = 3.92 Low/Mid Tier

Nemesis 98/25 = 3.92 Low Mid Tier

Arthur 96/25 = 3.84 Low/Mid Tier CRL Spread = 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 4 + 6 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 4 + 2 + 4 + 4 + 6

Ghost Rider 80/25 = 3.2 Low/Mid Tier

Tron 76/25 = 3.04 Low/Mid Tier CRL Spread = 4 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 2 + 4 + 2 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4

She Hulk 76/25 = 3.04 Low/ Mid Tier

2 points (Low Tier)
Shuma 74/25 = 2.96 Low Tier

Iron Fist 62/25 = 2.48 Low Tier

Phoenix Wright 56/25 = 2.24 Low Tier

Hsien Ko 52/25 = 2.08 Low Tier

**Support Tier List by Chrisis. **

No matter how top tier any character is you can’t just put Viper/Zero/Vergil on a team and expect an ideal team for tournaments. You gotta make a top tier team also so this is where this comes in.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/umvc3-srk-tier-list-theory-discussion-new-thread-now-available/139817page-435#post-6959948

**NEW NEWS = IGNORE FUNCTION NOW WORKS! **If you’re tired of going through the same dumb argument with someone or tired of seeing someone else derail the thread with the same stupid argument…just click on their profile and click ignore. Save us the trouble.

Special extra note will be utilized for tiers. For all of the people making tier lists to go into the average and grand tier list…I will have everyone put parenthesis or other indication over whoever you feel is overpowered (not broken but just literally too good). Instead of doing a Japanese style tier list with letters that not everyone can agree on I’ll just have a more standardize number scoring for tiers and just place everyone in traditional high to low tiers.

Then from there anyone who is literally beyond that (like a possible equivalent of S to S+ or more) you can decide on. It’s obvious that there’s a lot of strong characters in this game so ultimately I’ll just have a small indicator of who is tipping the top instead of it actually affecting the tiers since for now they all seem to beat up on each other on any given day in practicality.

**Interesting Notes: **

  1. I made the scoring for S tier higher so there only ended up being one S tier this time. That character almost got a perfect 10 except for one A+ vote.

  2. Wesker and Vergil are fighting for best Wesker. Scored exactly the same.

  3. B tier is pretty stacked up as usual. Though now there are number values so you can see who’s a solid B getting towards an A and who’s barely B and falling towards a C.

  4. Morrigan barely got into A tier but she did it.

  5. Kusoru/Ageo Joe’s team is still all B tier despite tourney win without going into losers.

  6. In general of the best set of characters you have one that rises above the rest but a solid bunch that are fighting to be up there with them.

PREVIOUS TIER LISTS.
http://forums.shoryuken.com/t/umvc3-srk-tier-list-theory-discussion-new-thread-now-available/139817page-262#post-6621493

If you don’t feel like anybody is D tier bad that’s fine but S, A+, A, B and C must all have at least one character in each tier for it to be an acceptable list.

**UPDATE February 11th: Alright guys…here’s the schedule that I’m going to be using to do the recounts for the tier list. **After Final Round I will ask for a revising and recount of the popular tier lists and then make a fresh list based off the new data. Then of course after Nor Cal and Seasons Beatings I will be doing fresh lists for those as well. After that I’ll wait until Evo to revise again.

[Mar 24, 2012] NorCal Regionals 10 - San Francisco, CA (San Francisco, CA) (NO REVISION FOR THIS TOURNAMENT)

http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.ph…-10-san-francisco-ca-san-francisco-ca.151992/

[May 5, 2012] Season’s Beatings: Summer Slam - Win a trip to EVO! Road to EVO 2012 (Columbus, OH) (WILL BE REVISING AFTER THIS TOURNAMENT)

http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.ph…p-to-evo-road-to-evo-2012-columbus-oh.153008/

Up and running with the sticky. Thx Preppy. :china:

Firstly feel free to talk about anything regarding hard results based tiers or just competitive play between the characters in general based on potential/theory. That’s essentially how we’re going to have to make the final tier list any way since more than half the cast still isn’t used regularly competitively. We most likely won’t be able to unlock all the characters have to offer for a long time. Which means if you have something to input that could shed insight to the future potential of a character that doesn’t wear sunglasses and/or a trenchcoat…feel free.

This thread is made to replace the old tier thread with a title that better suggests what we are doing in this thread. One which is namely to agree on a hard tier list. For now I will just list the tier lists of some of the more respected players that post here and then the hard list will go up later.

Second is embrace discussing what has and what possibly can happen based on the potential of each of the characters. Some characters are obvious higher tier based on results (Wesker, Wolvie), others are doing better with results than the actual potential of the character (Iron Fist), others are still dominating assists (Akuma) etc.

**The Grand Tier List will be a combination of what you see based on streams combined with the general agreed on potential (despite what happens on a local/major stream) of all of the characters. That list generated from an average of popular poster’s lists.**There’s some characters that in a real practiced form could very easily control the game but, of course are more settled results wise compared to some of the easier to use characters. With future tournaments it’ll be interesting to see which potential high tiers and lower tiers end up rising to the occasion in tourneys later on.

**NOTE: If you wanna get on this list so people can see your idea of the tier list on the front page, post up a spoiler with your tier list and have people like your list. **If enough people like your list it will be featured in the popular lists on the first page and be averaged into the Grand Tier List. The list that makes up an average of what’s really going on both on stream and overall potential from the knowledge base of the forums.

**How to spoiler **
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in no particular order.

A+: Zero, Wesker, C.Viper
A: Dormammu, Dante, Vergil, Strider Hiryu, Dr. Doom, Firebrand, Jean Grey
A-: Magneto, Spencer, Hawkeye, Felicia, Wolverine, Dr. Strange, Morrigan, Trish, Amaterasu
B+: Akuma, Storm, Skrull, Taskmaster, Sentinel, Frank West, Nova, Jill Valentine, X-23, Deadpool**, **Chris Redfield, Captain America
B: Ryu, M.O.D.O.K, Spider-man, Arthur, Haggar, Viewtiful Joe, Rocket Raccoon, Iron Fist, Thor, Shuma-Gorath
B-: Chun Li, Hulk, Nemesis, Iron Man, Ghost Rider, She-Hulk
C: Tron, Phoenix Wright
D: Hsien-Ko

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No order within Tiers underlined characters have massive team utilities ie: (Assist, THC’s, DHC’s etc.) and no current S-Tier

A+ = Viper, Dante, Zero, Dormmammu, Dr.Doom, Phoenix, Wesker
A- = Strider, Magneto, Ammy, Vergil, Firebrand, Wolverine, Spencer, Hawkeye, Taskmaster, Storm, Deadpool, Trish, Akuma, Sentinel, Felicia, Jill, Frank West, Nova
B+= Thor, Viewtiful Joe, Super Skrull, X-23, Hulk, Morrigan, Ryu, Spiderman, Chris, Haggar, Dr. Strange, MODOK, Arthur, Hsien Ko, Iron Man, Captain America,
B- = Iron Fist, Nemesis, She Hulk, Shuma Gorath, Ghost Rider, Chun Li, Rocket Racoon
C+= Tron, Phoenix Wright

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People seem to like the Japanese style HIYA SABC tier lists so I guess we’ll roll with that.

POST SO CAL TEARS (wah wah Wesker):

I had to do A+ tiers for the new ones because there’s some people that I feel are right under S or have fallen from S but are too good to be a straight A tier. Like just teetering on the S. Too many characters (especially good ones) to just have A then S. B and C pretty much still fit.

Bold = New character

Underlined = Changed placement of tier for that character.

Point game: (each tier is simply in alphabetical order, no order of strength per tier)

S tiers = C.Viper, Dorm, Doom, Wesker, Zero
A+ tiers = Dante, Hawkeye, Magneto, Nova, Vergil, Spencer, Wolverine
A tiers = Akuma, Ammy, Captain, Chris, Deadpool, Doctor Strange, Felicia, Firebrand, Jill, Phoenix, Rocket Racoon, Ryu, Sentinel, Strider Hiryu, Super Skrull, Taskmaster, Trish, X-23
B tiers = Arthur, Chun, Frank West, Ghost Rider, Haggar, Hulk, Iron Fist, Iron Man, Morrigan,Nemesis, She Hulk, Shuma, Spider Man, Storm, Thor, Tron, V.Joe,
C tier = Hsien Ko, Phoenix Wright,
? tier = MODOK

Assist game (overall strength of character’s assists):

S tiers = Akuma, Morrigan (for lame out/meter hungry teams), Strider Hiryu,
A tiers = Ammy, Arthur, Captain, Dante, Doctor Strange, Doom, Felicia, **Frank West, **Haggar,Hawkeye Hsien Ko, Hulk, Iron Fist, Iron Man, Magneto, Nemesis, Nova, **Rocket Racoon,**Phoenix Wright, Ryu, Sentinel, Shuma, Spencer, Task, Trish, Vergil, Wesker
B tiers = C.Viper, Chris, Chun Li, Deadpool, Dorm, Firebrand, Ghost Rider, Jill, MODOK, Phoenix, She Hulk, Storm, Super Skrull, Thor, Tron, V.Joe, X-23, Zero
C tiers = Spider Man, Wolverine
? tier = Ryu’s powered assists.

Underlined changes description:

CHANGES DESCRIPTION

[details=Spoiler]
Magneto = Bumped him from A tier to A+ tier. His assist is still really good just doesn’t relaunch as well during combos. Dark Magneto is still really slept on since it brings back all his Vanilla crap and he still has a shit ton of tools. Air normals still great and still gets damage off all throws. Still one of the best mix up/reset games in the game.

Vergil = I don’t care how much people doubt this guy…he’s got TOO MUCH shit. There’s no such thing as the Dudley of this game cuz SFIV Dudley is a level of ass that doesn’t account for how powerful the characters are in this game. His non Devil Trigger game just requires you to play smart and he definitely does have safe blockstrings without DT. To unlock his true potential though you have to have him in DT where long story short he just becomes a completely different character.

Even before DT he has ranged normals that rival those of Sentinel’s, mix up versatility of Wolverine minus the instant overheads better frames on his L and M normals than Dante, and at least one special move and 2 or 3 super moves that count as self assists.

Then with DT near half screen extremely fast overhead with instant air dash H (or dash up c.L instead), In XF3 + DT he gets to 195 percent damage and 140 percent speed, nearly all of his normals and special moves gain better frames and bigger hit boxes. Not to mention his assists are pretty strong especially when powered with DT. He’s also surprisingly good a meter builder for someone that’s known to spend it.

Spencer = Another “I don’t care what people say” character. This character has the most practical TOD’s probably in the game without XF or any glitching. Has extremely strong air normals and all kinds of hurp durp mix ups with his zipline + assists. The fact that this guy has a command grab PERIOD on top of all of that is hilarious. Plus his own overhead for gimmicks during frame traps. Plus Bionic Arm is one meter, huge hit box dragon punch basically.

Wolverine = just gonna have to give in to this one. XF2 + Berserker Slash = you’re not laming this guy out and he’s probably gonna hit you if he kills you still. If you can lame out the XF, good shit, if not and your team crumbles same crap as Vanilla. XF1 Wolverine is definitely nerfed but as long as you’re willing to burn XF2 Wolverine is mostly the same crap.

Chun = She got the tools she needed in general to go up from C tier and her legs assist isn’t that bad even if it scales hard. Don’t see her moving past this without a ton of work but we’ll see.

Haggar = OTG gave him what he needed to go up to B tier. Not much other than that. Typical grappler style character you have to respect but will never really go up the tier list. Assist is solid still but not what it used to be. Needs too much help on point to really put him anywhere but first. Which at best he’ll just end up being a nice meter building first character.

Storm = heard enough top players that still think she’s ass. I don’t think she’s as bad as Nemesis (Nemesis is alright with his lame game but we got Hawkeye for lame game thx), but not looking hot with her damage output not really seeming to get much better and still being reliant on assists or having lots of meter to really maximize her potential. Still a great assist killer with meters and her movement and hit boxes are both better than Magneto’s but, Magneto still does more damage and is still mostly more versatile overall.

Phoenix Wright assists = missile assist will still probably be pretty darned good but Capcom totally blew up his potential of being S tier assist character.

Magneto = Doesn’t relaunch as well but still sets up hurp durp left/rights the same.

Wesker = Seems people are starting to find more assists that still relaunch well and the issues seem to be character specific as far as who can/can’t relaunch off specific assists anymore. Some of the east coast just doesn’t care enough about providing their characters with a real assist I guess. Long as XF3 bad guy is in the back. [/details]

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[details=Spoiler] No particular order in here, just the characters I think of first

S: Zero
A+: Doom, Dante, Magneto, Felicia, Hawkeye, Wesker, Phoenix, C. Viper, Dormammu, Vergil, Strider
A: Taskmaster, Spencer, Morrigan, Ammy, X-23, Wolverine, Jill, Akuma, Nova, Deadpool,** Super Skrull**, Trish, Firebrand, MODOK, Thor
B: Sentinel, Chris, Captain America, **Spider-Man, **Storm, Doctor Strange, Haggar
Mid tier ©: Joe, Ryu, Hulk, Chun-Li, Frank, Nemesis
Shuma Tier (D): Shuma, Arthur, Iron Fist, Iron Man
Shine-OK tier (no): Hsien-Ko, Phoenix Wright, She-Hulk, Ghost Rider

lolwtf (lolwtf): Rocket Raccoon

No I won’t tier Tron
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Bold means nothing at all

Note that I don’t really know where to put: Ryu, Chun-Li, Spider-Man

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Edit #2 - Added a few mre sub categories because I feel they are significant enough to warrant another tier spot.

There are no order within each tier

Spoiler

S = Zero
A+ = Viper, Firebrand, Dante, Dorm, Wesker, Vergil, Spencer, Strider, Doom, Magneto, Trish,
A = Felicia, Ammy, V. Joe, Spider Man, Wolverine, Hawkeye, Taskmaster, Morrigan, Chris, Deadpool, Frank West, Akuma
B = Thor, Sentinel, X23, Captain America, Hulk, Ryu, MODOK, Rocket Raccoon, Super Skrull, Haggar, Phoenix, Dr. Strange, Nova, Jill, Storm
C = Iron Man, Iron Fist, She Hulk, Arthur, Ghost Rider, Chun Li, Nemesis, Shuma, Tron
D = Phoenix Wright, Hsien Ko

Explanations for each tier (incomplete as of now but will update often)

Explanations

Spoiler

[spoiler= S]

Zero - Quite simply the best in the game, thus he warranted his own tier at the top. I feel he is significantly better than his counterparts in S tier to be crowned king. However, to really be his true bustedness at S+ he needs the proper team set up. Otherwise I feel he just simply in the S category with his pals.

With certain team set ups like Zero/Dante/Sentinel, Zero can pretty much do anything he wants whenever he wants and all you can do is try and block. Eventually you will get opened up though and he can convert most of his confirms into TODs or close to TOD and and stay meter neutral, and in a lot of cases actually build meter in the process :wtf:. Buster is pretty much the move of all moves in this game and makes him almost untouchable. Add in the fact that he can squeeze a lightning before and after a buster with an assist on the screen and you are pretty much locked down completely for free.

He owns some of the most ridiculous normals in the game including pizza cutter (air H), cr. M, standing H, and over+H. Pressing buttons with Zero is a god thing, pressing them against him is a bad thing.

He basically just poops out hitboxes the entire time on the screen and his normals pretty much leave him + on block for another teleport/lightning/whatever broken mixup. He can kill a character off a crossover counter uppercut to make him even more ridiculous.

Basically when you play a really good Zero player you pray that they make some sort of mistake and give you an opening to kill him off. Yes, if you touch him, you better make sure you kill him because you may not get another chance.

A+

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Firebrand - The king of space control. The best way to describe Firebrand is he is basically Trish on crack. He can fight at super jump heighth and reign down his projectile at 3 angles to annoy you to death. Then when he decides to come down from the sky you usually cant press buttons either without the threat of being hit by a Dive Kick or Bon Voyage. He also has 3 different ways he can command dash and his air hitboxes are so stupid that he will hit you from just about anywhere. When he lands he can just go right back up and start annoying you more.

The funny thing is when he is on the ground he is a monster too. His st. A and cr. A are both mashable and you can hit confirm off them for after like 4 hits into a really easy combo to put them into another mixup situation/unblockable. His unblockable is the best in the game and with good execution (and a proper team set up) he can 300% most teams off a mashed cr. A :wtf:. He can instant overhead almost the entire cast when they are CROUCHING LOL. So you can obviously figure out his Fuzzy Guard is absolutely nasty. When he is on the ground he does a mixup and if thats blocked he goes into another mixup and if that one is blocked he goes into another one.

He Luminous body hyper is one of the best power up hypers in the game because he can still build meter while in it, giving you incentive to almost always have it activated. His level 3 in level 3 XFC is similar to Ourobors because it almost gurantees a dead character… sometimes you can even get 2.

His only knock is that he does low damage, but honestly, if Firebrand did good damage, he would make so many people quit this game.

Dante - The swiss army knife of this game. There isnt much Dante cant do… only difference now is he has to work a little harder to get his damage unlike Vanilla. Hammer got a nerf but that move is still amazing. He has hit confirms for days and all lead to great meter built and very solid damage. Reverb Shock -> Fireworks is still one of the stupidest moves in this game. Acid Rain is still broken as well. He still has his stupid hitboxes like st. M and air. H. He also has one of the best assists in Jam Session in the game. Oh yea and he has this thing that is called a tracking teleport and last time I checked those are good. Dante got nerfed pretty decently and he is still one of the best in the game… just goes to show you how amazing he was in Vanilla.

**Dormammu **- Why did this character get buffed? He was seriously fine as is in Vanilla, and now he is even more of a monster. On point with the proper horizontal assists, he has some of the best teleport-assist mixup games in Marvel with his stupid as hell air normals. Oh wait… he doesnt even need an assist now to set up left/rights >:(. His cr. M is still a legit anti air and basically makes you think twice about hitting buttons when coming down fro the sky. Has a very underrated high low game. He is also still one of the stupidest level 3 anchors thanks to stalking flares and his overall chip game.

**Wesker **- This character doesnt really need an explination. dash up low or command grab, teleport+assist, air throw/air loop 50-50, best OTG assist, Dark Wesker, trenchcoat, sunglasses, and derp.

**Viper **- Overrated by some but still S tier. Can control most of the screen and assists can help her cover what she cant… and she can convert off those assists into huge damage. Great air dash offense off of seismo pressure. Great up close mixup game with burn kicks. Solid air normals to bring people down from the sky with burn kick. Thunder Knuckle feint pressure. She builds a shitload of meter and makes arguably the best use out of it in the game with EX Seismo… which essentially is a giant invincible hitbox explosion. If it hits she can confirm into a kill, if you block then she is at +26 or something for a free mixup, and if it wiffs then the match is neutral.

Only flaws really are she doesnt have the greatest hypers to DHC into, really needs the assist for blind spot for bad matchups, and seismos, although amazing, can be very risky and 1 bad one could mean bye bye viper.

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No order within tiers but a | denotes the division between what I feel are the perceived characters in the upper and lower echelons of that tier

[details=Spoiler]S: Zero, Wesker, Viper, | Dante, Dormammu, Strider
A: Magneto, Doom, Hawkeye, Taskmaster,Trish, Vergil, Firebrand, Akuma, MORRIGAN Phoenix, | Spiderman, Dr Strange, Super Skrull, Felicia, Jill, Amaterasu, MODOK, Nova,
B. Spencer, Wolverine, Deadpool, Chris, Frank West, Captain America, Ryu, V Joe, X-23, Storm, Sentinel | Thor, Ghost Rider, Iron Man, Iron Fiist
C. Hulk, Arthur, Haggar, She Hulk, Nemesis, Shuma
D. Tron, Hsien Ko
E. Phoenix Wright
Not sure where to put him tier: Rocket Racoon[/details]

Assist Tiers

S: Drones, Tatsu, Vajra, Jam Session,
A: Beam Assists, Shopping Cart, Weasel Shot, Jamming Bomb, Daggers, Peekaboo, Lariat, Hidden Missiles, Flying Dragon, Samurai Edge, Cold Star, Eye Of Agamotto
B: Harmonizer, Rapid Slash, Slant Shot, Ryu Tatsu, Chris Gunfire, Arrow Assists, Heartless Spire, Rolling Buckler, Daggers of Denak, Tenderizer, Log Trap, Hulk DP, Gold Armor, Generic OTGs
C: Generic projectile assists, DP assists(crossover counter utility), low/overhead assists

**Vergil: **Once overrated, now massively underrated. Devil Trigger basically puts him in S tier and allows him to put hitboxes all over the screen, his damage output and meter build is incredible, has the best hitbox/speed ratio of any set of normals in the game, combos off all types of grabs making his mixup that much scarier and has really dominant tools. I see Vergil going into S tier once people start abusing all his tools

Morrigan: The stigma that was associated with her in Vanilla still lingers, causing people to massively underrate her. Problem is, she’s a much better character than she used to be. Extremely versatile, she can lame out half the cast for free and her install super basically forces you to block if you don’t wanna get hit by fireballs. She also operates very well at a height where most of the cast have literally no options. Oh and she builds meter during her install super so there’s like no drawback to it. Her rushdown game is also pretty decent but she seems to be best suited at laming out like the EC has demonstrated.

**Spiderman: **I really don’t understand why Spiderman isn’t popular. Oh wait I do. His combos aren’t abcs>BBCS and he has a gasp TK’d motion in his better combos. It’s a shame because he’s a very obnoxious character and it’s literally impossible to get a clean hit on him. Very mobile character who escaped the airdash nerf, he can be very annoying with the fucking web balls from full screen away, and then he’s all up in your face. Needs an OTG assist for max damage, but even that isn’t necessary since he has almost unblockable resets

Modok: Modok is underrated. His ability to avoid the start of match mixups completely and decide the pace of the match is slept on. Even after that, he has some really annoying tools. The bomb thing covers him really well, and his high/low mixups are Magneto tier. Damage output is really good and his normals are better than I initially thought

**Spencer: **Spencer is massively overrated. He is not so great as an anchor and relies on the other guy making a mistake(and not having Xfactor). His mixups are highly telegraphed. On point, the best thing he has going for him is damage output. His normals aren’t that great either and he’s fairly easy to zone. His mixups are slightly better on point with his bootleg version of assist+teleport/command dash. Still has one of the highest damage outputs in the game though.

Wolverine: Another overrated character. The loss of BS slash invuln and the addition of a lot of keepaway oriented characters as well as buffs to keepaway of the original cast make him a lot weaker. He is very momentum based, but he really has no tools to swing the momentum in his favour. Definitely requires a lot more work to get in now that a lot of the cast can just lame him out

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Why do people think Dorm is so amazing? He’s always struck me as someone that gets blown up by teleporters/Wolvie.

He can do dark matter cancel teleport mixups but he doesn’t get anything off of it except when he’s cornered someone

Also do you guys think Doom can do a lot without assists?

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Strong mixup game + unblockable setups
Damage
Stalking Flare is dumb
Excels at both close/long range
Decent/good assists
Flame Carpetttttt

He was always an amazing char really. The Dark Matter buff was one of the few things he needed to make him a complete char as he now no longer needs assists to setup his L/R mixup. Then you have stuff like Meteor Shower activating on frame 1 and it pretty much puts him over the top.

As for Doom, being able to more or less ignore advancing guard is pretty gdlk for a solo char imo, there aren’t many chars who have that ability. Also he can convert any air/throw into death, which is especially important for an anchor.

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First of all as of January 2012 the top 15-20 characters seem to be highly viable in a tournament setting with proper team construction. In a game like marvel the attributes some characters bring to a team are worthwhile not for their point game but rather the assist. So there will be two tierlists point game with a mention of the spots they are strongest and an assist only tierlist.

Attempt to actually order them with S to B+ tier
Point TierList version January 2012
S
Zero, Wesker
A+
Dormammu, Doom, Dante, Hawkeye, Magneto, Viper, Vergil, Wolverine
A
Spencer, Felicia,Trish,Taskmaster, Pheonix
A-
Morrigan, Strider, Deadpool, Storm, Nova
B+
Chris, Ammy, X-23, Akuma, Skrull, Strange, Jill, Frank West, Spider-man
B
Ryu, Haggar, Sentinel, Hulk, Thor, V Joe, Iron Fist, Iron Man, Arthur, Ghost Rider, Nemesis, Captain America, MODOK, She-Hulk, Rocket Raccoon, Chun
C
Tron, Hsienko, Pheonix Wright

No clue but probably at least A tier: FireBrand

Look at Nini’s Assist Tierlist as I agree completely.

Spoiler

Vergil - This character in the first position with an otg assist and beam assist is flatout one of the best team combinations in the game. 50/50 teleport mixups that lead to 900k damage or more depending on the meter situation. Any character that has to fight close has to worry about his gigantic normals and strong anti-air options. His sword super and Devil Trigger actually reactively beat many options such as gimlet leaving the opponent exposed for full combo. Great Lockdown in the corner as well using judgement cut allowing him to set up his strong crossup game. Round trip is one of the strongest options on incoming characters in the game.

Also one of the strongest characters in the game to DHC into.

Vergil/Wesker/Mags is a very powerful team for this character.

Morrigan - This character just has too many good matchups for me to put her lower then A. When she activates her illusion super even the top tiers have to run to the top of the screen because she completely dominates the lower screen space for the duration of that super. Her damage is actually average with proper combos and her level 1 invulnerable super is very very good/useful especially with good DHC partners. Her cr. L beats most moves in the game for free and all her air normals are amazing.

Unfortunately think this is as high as she goes as she can have a hard time opening people up when not in x-factor and her lack of a ground dash really limits her chase options.

Viper - Potential S-tier, but personally I believe her approach game is lacking so her rush down while solid isn’t the most powerful in the game. Really when debating about Viper it all comes down to “Is EX-Seismo good enough for her to be considered S-tier?”. My answer is unfortunately, no. While in theory a safe srk that costs 1 meter, unblockable setups, and her synergy with vajra is broken as it covers her only notable weakness with the threat of big damage combo’s I find no player has the psychic ability to dominate the nuetral game to level that she is S-tier. If we were talking vanilla meter gain she’d undoubtedly be S-tier but if she guesses wrong with her first seismo/knuckle then a lot of the higher tiers can steal her nuetral game dominance because they no longer have to fear the seismo. Not to mention her nuetral game isn’t strong enough to kill most characters off pure zoning which imo forces her to use seismo or go in herself. So ironically pressing her advantage often times gets RID of that very advantage she was holding which often is the weakness that gets her blown up.

Strong, can move up, lots of potential but NO ONE has even given the slightest indication through actual play imo that she is clearcut above the other A+ characters.

Strider - As an anchor he might be the best in the game but unfortunately in marvel just because you put a character 3rd doesn’t mean he won’t be the first to die. His assist is so godlike not snapping in this character is an enormous mistake that a lot of people are making currently. He’s like pheonix with a better assist but when he blows his load it only offs one character. So overall less comeback potential but extremely dangerous none the less.

On point outside of that he is solid, but his low damage and only ok approach options which skew risk/reward a bit less in his favor then the cast above him. But let’s be honest if your playing strider in a position that isn’t third your probably doing it wrong.

Who cares though, this guys assist is so good he’d make it on teams even if ouroboros lasted 1 second and costed 5 bars.

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You haven’t been watching Masta CJ if that’s the case. He was blowing it up at one of the earlier Big 8’s beating Chris G in the grand finals. Also the same Dorm player notorious for Double Perfecting a fellow SRK poster earlier that tournament. He gets plenty of mileage out of running the assist + port mix up with Magneto’s beam (fastest starting beam at 34 frames start) that people still generally have trouble dealing with.

Chris G was getting used to air throwing Dorm and generally staying above the assist but sometimes you just end up not holding forward and then Dorm tags you after you get beam crossed.

Not to mention he can teleport after his dark matter which gives him his own left/right mix up and he honestly has a bunch of really nasty chip, combo and space control options with his destruction and creation moves. Which Masta CJ only ends up using on specific occasions and could probably get more mileage out than he’s getting already.

http://www.twitch.tv/teamsp00ky/b/303290962 10 minutes in for winner’s finals, 27 minutes in for grand finals.

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As for Doom…he was a solid anchor even in Vanilla with his ability to XF guard cancel with the fastest level 3 in the game and back then had a level 1 super with XF3 that did 800k damage (they fixed the damage on XF sphere flame now). On top of that like said before…only character in the game that can cancels his normals into a dash so if he feels you’re going to advance guard he can just zip right past it and stay in if he forces you to block a ground normal with enough block stun. Making him very scary once he gets in as anchor.

His new hard knockdown j.S pretty much gives him a set and forget tool from the air that helps mitigate his weakness of not being able to cancel his ground dash into anything but a jump (can’t block or attack). j.S has such a large hit box that it even trades with Zero’s sword normals and just plants him on the ground to kill him off. The only real issue with the j.S dive is that if the opponent blocks it too low to the ground you can’t cancel it into a dash which will get you blown up by good players.

His only real issues as anchor is he has nothing really scary to deal with characters that can just snipe from the top of the air like Trish or Morrigan. Morrigan specifically can shoot straight forward fireballs and diagonal fireballs which will keep Doom pretty unable to deal with on his own. Trish sitting on traps and dive kicks from the skies leaves Doom kinda helpless as anchor also IMO. You can try to mash on ground photon shot and missiles but at most you’ll just be burning your XF if you’ve already burnt it any way and it’s not the worst thing in the world for Trish to deal with otherwise.

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What do you all think of everyone posting a tierlist and we use some sort of weighting system to construct a general consensus for now then use that one for debate?

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Just my 2 cents, food for thought, take if for what you will.

Characters I think are generally over rated:

Wolverine, C. Viper, Phoenix

Characters I think are generally under rated:

Frank, Jill, MODOK, Hawkeye, Morrigan, Viewtiful Joe

Nova/Frank is an interesting team due to Lv5 in one combo from the start of the round, AFAIK the only team capable of doing so. Kind of like how Strider/Doom and Spiral/Sentinel boosted their respective qualities, I feel Nova/Frank together is more top tier than Nova and Frank alone. Lv4 Frank is still good, and any other teams that can get him there also boost Frank as a pairing more than him on his own.

Nini Heart’s elaborations pretty much reflect my opinions. I disagree with some things about his list but he generally speaks my mind well.

Imo Ghost Rider is the clear dividing line between those who are top/upper tier and those who are ultimately bottom tier.

Dormammu with meter becomes probably the best zoner/keep away character in the game. Successfully getting out floating bomb on a character who either can’t teleport or can’t land a hit on him pretty much ensures he gets meteor shower, and as long as he has meter he can keep people locked down with pillars and continue to chip people with floating bombs to death. It has the potential to force people into either losing a character or activating XF early which is an extremely powerful tool to have. He’s also pretty decent on point.

Doom doesn’t get far enough credit that he deserves imo, if any character is the whole package it’s him. Godlike assist, godlike damage, great movement, fast normals and silly hit boxes, also like Alzarath said damage from air throw and hard knock down j.S is insane. He just performs well in all departments, he’s short from being quite possibly the perfect character.

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Morrigan is far from underrated at this point

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Yeah, people are realizing how good Morrigan really is now.

I don’t really feel Hawkeye is underrated either.

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TBH I think Dorm is one of those chars that while very good, should never be in the highest tier because most of the things he does comes with significant risk and commitment. Dark Matter is really overrated imo, it has the worst projectile durability in the game and it’s not even fast. Not something you can just throw out and get mixups from all the time. I think if people spent more time bringing the fight to him when he takes to the air, he’d lose a lot more.

Agreed apart from bold.

Dorm is terrible when someone is right in his face; slow moves, large frame, and a crap dash so whiff punishing normals is not an option most of the time. Dorm get’s mauled up close which is the reason why they gave him cr.M so he could defend himself somewhat. Dorm’s best form of melee attack is in the air

His assists are crap tbh, Dark Hole only gets use because it’s the best out of a poor selection. Liberation had the potential to be his best assist but it’s pretty much too hard to balance and requires too much prep for a one time use assist.

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Combined with beam assist + port I would say you can get pretty solid mileage out of dark matter + port also. You basically get another left/right after using your assist based one to buy time for another assist. Giving you multiple chances at a left/right essentially.

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Don’t you think it is way to early to reach a consensus on tiers? With where we are in UMVC3s lifespan, I think the original thread, which is just people throwing out thoughts and opinions, is the way to go. There might be a time for a community consensus list, but I think that is 10 to 12 months down the road, not now.

Just my .02.

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I said it before, I will say it again: anyone trying to make an “official” tier list within a few months of a game’s release is a scrub. Any game with a tier list that’s obvious within 2 months of its release is a game for scrubs. It’s one thing to talk about how overpowered/underpowered characters are and give a personal tier list to start discussions, but any official SRK tier list has the potential to be extremely harmful to the metagame of UMvC3 and destroy player’s experimentation of this game. How many of you guys here can claim to be Arthur experts who have spent tens of hours trying to get him to work? If you aren’t what gives you the right to declare where he is in the tier list? So, please close this topic already, for the sake of the game.