I cracked up at reading flight and Air Seismo for Viper. So powerful, she can pound the air and make an… air quake.
Hsien-Ko has no butt. She’s Chinese. Though it’s hard to tell with those baggy pants.
Shulk is also erroneously placed. Also, where is Mustachio for such a debate?
And now I’m tempted to go dig up that old boobs tier list from the first Tiers thread, where Hsien-Ko is top but below Dante. Or was it Zero?
Many people here think Phoenix Wright and Tron don’t have any potential. Wesker is not one of those 2 characters.
We’ve seen the videos of Wesker being able to j.H gun loop for ridiculous damage (apparently that loop was already discovered in Vanilla any ways) and his damage with the glasses off (that pretty much no one takes advantage of in tournaments). The REAL technology that Wesker has sadly isn’t even being used by the US players regularly. That just shows that the level of play in this game in general is not really up to where it should be when the easiest to use character in the game along with Wolvie isnt’ having his most powerful tech regularly used yet.
The ISSUE is everybody in his same tier list is getting new technology figured out too. Which means he’s not surpassing anybody just because he’s getting tech because they’re getting tech by the week also. This tech that again…US players (top or average) WILL NOT even use for a while until they decide to go in training mode for an hour.
Most of the cast has tools that aren’t even used. His only real impossible to block XF shenanigans involves doing dumb shit to incoming characters. Once he gets out on screen you can see footage regularly of top players push blocking and laming out XF3/4 Wesker. J.Wong’s Iron Fist with Akuma assist was able to lame out Noel Brown’s XF3/4 Dark Wesker with ease. With other anchors he would have had more trouble but Dark Wesker just does not put enough hit boxes on the screen to be this impossible to block force.
The only way Wesker’s teleport tricks will mind fuck you is if he has an assist out during them (where he can turn them into just frame cross ups). Even with XF3/4 the only time his teleports are really ambiguous is during welcome mix ups. Everything else you can air throw, dash under (H above opponent teleport) or press buttons at (L ground teleport). His teleports don’t track so you can also lame out the ranges of the ports and the fact that they always go a set distance means he can’t ideally lock you down with them without assist.
I’ll give you respect for this one. This is a VERY good theory actually and the guy who got 2nd place at SoCal DID use Wesker on point. I honestly DO truly believe that point Wesker with assists is scarier than Dark Wesker. I’ll believe that for as long as people are playing this game competitively.
**Unfortunately…he lost to Iron Fist/Wolverine/Akuma so we still got a while to go to see how this holds. **
IMO Wesker should not be on the screen without an assist but OTG shot is easy mode extra damage so what can you do.
There were a few in the old thread. I think it’s a smart idea to make one here for the OP.
It’s simple. These other characters are really good and are getting better results overall. Zero is assist reliant, making it a problem to overcome keepaway teams since they are constantly putting hitboxes all over the screen making it very risky to call out an assist to get Zero to move in. Zero is really reliant on his fully charged buster, but there will be times when its not fully charged when you need it. Zero only becomes a good zoning character with Sougenmu or X-factor activated so he is forced to rushdown alot of times. Haggar assist, and Hsien Ko gold armor, Hulk’s gamma charge assist, MODOK’s energy shield, Nova’s energy javelin, Strider’s Vajira give him problems which counter act his rushdown abilities. If you really hate fighting Zero you can make a team that counters his rushdown abilities. He’s not as versatile as some other characters.
I love how you guys think my favorite character is awesome. But in a couple months you’ll see he’s simply an a-tier character. Not an S.
I hope so cuz that guy is all fuck annoying. The Blanka of UMVC3.
I don’t care what anybody says Spiderman is still the most annoying pos character in the game. Trish and Morrigan are very close though.
If more people knew that firebrand loses to heavy zoning (that fills the air) or simply vajara, I think we’d see less of him. I can’t see how people fail to realize that if you clip a bird’s wings then it can’t fly. If a bird can’t fly it basically can’t do anything. (unless it’s a penguin XD)
Do your job!
Yes, I know other character has potential too. People use prime assists with Zero and don’t even win majors. People don’t really use prime assists for Wesker like they should be, he is a really dangerous point character. Nothing else much left to say about it. Even you used Wesker before, you should already know how much BS he has.
My problem with this is that this is nothing a smart Zero player can learn to adapt to. These are issues at a lower level of play but at the highest level of play SOMEONE WILL overcome these issues at some point. These are issues a mid tier Zero player will have issue with but the right high level Zero player will not. There are plenty of top tier characters in other fighting games that have similar issues but once they are overcome by smart decision making it doesn’t matter anymore.
Zero still has plenty of tools before charge buster to deal with shit. Half charging your buster into one of the air lightnings can shut down a lot of the game’s normal BS (especially the aerial stuff) from a range most other characters aren’t really capable of. Charge cancel into air lightning was a huge buff to his zoning that people aren’t using enough at all.
Haggar assist can’t be that difficult for Zero anymore. He has huge ass sword normals plus crouching normals that can just swipe under the damn assist. Plus they nerfed the invincible frames so Haggar is only invincible for 2 frames once he’s out on screen instead of the 30 frames like before (he was invincible 30 frames before he came out, then 30 frames AFTER he came out in vanilla).
Hulk’s gamma charge assist is basically a weak MVC2 AA assist so it’s not going to give him that much problem since it only has one point of armor that Zero has no problem mashing through with all those multi hits.
Hsien Ko gold armor is a bit of a problem (not that much really) but then that forces them to put HSIEN KO on their team. Modok’s barrier is a problem but not a SERIOUS problem. It’s just an annoyance at best for Zero. This is magnified by how nobody uses Modok any way.
Nova’s energy javelin with assists is a problem…but again nothing he won’t be able to get by with patience or just knee jerk turning on sogenmu.
Strider…it’s a problem but he has lengthy start up and Zero can mash on normals to shred through the assist even when it’s coming down.
I know Zero has more BS basically.
What is your basis for this. Are their matches that I’m not seeing or something? What players are you talking about ?
You know what makes it even worse? It’s bad enough losing to Spidey’s annoying web swinging ass, all for him to taunt at the end of the match. Spidey’s taunts hurt.
Almost all of the top tiers are bad matchups for Wolverine; Dormammu, Zero, Doom, Dante, Trish, Magneto, Hawkeye and Morrigan are all at the very least 6-4 unless wolverine has a high priority beam assist or something like vajra, and that’s being kind, it’s probably closer to 7-3. Even C. Viper, Vergil and Strider are arguably bad matchups also, they are certainly not in Wolverine’s favour. Wesker and Firebrand are the only matchups that are 5-5 or sway in Wolverine’s favour imo. Had wolverine had something to get around all of this crap, like an invincible beserker slash, perhaps he might be better than all of them, but he doesn’t. This isn’t vanilla anymore, there’s no more traveling through projectiles, no more ways through frame traps, any character capable of placing obstacles on the screen and limiting Wolverine’s approach has the upper hand. He’s not S tier because almost everyone in the top tier is better than him, it’s that simple.
You pretty much just summed up Wolverine in one sentence…
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with the poison shot and gimlet after the knockdown it will do over 1.1 mill and with the poison damage it will do 1.2 mil, since i was using the games recording to do the combo in the time it gave me i didnt have time to extend the combo but you can see it can kill anyone if you add another loop or 2 before you go into slide to combo
Wolverine’s mix-up is 20x better than Iron Fist and he actually has something you have to respect (UNACCEPTABLE!!) while boasting the same retarded damage output.
Yes, indeed, but read the sentence again. All that requires wolverine to be next to you.
I agree with most of this. Wolverine is basically a better Iron Fist (J.Wong effectively had 2 Wolverines on his team) and that’s not good enough for top tier in this game. Unless some crazy new tech comes out for Iron Fist or some shit where he really goes up.
Wolverine himself will never do well enough to see S tier of this game. Just does not put enough hit boxes on the screen. A+ at the absolute best and that’s IMO when he’s at XF2+B Charge with assist.
Wolverine isn’t even comparable to Iron Fist. Iron Fist doesn’t have a teleport, a dive kick, easy effective mixups. Wolverine is one of the best rush down characters in the game, straight up. It’s easy to get in with him, he does extreme damage. What more can you ask for? Jesus.
Wolverine does NOT have a teleport. Wolverine is completely comparable to Iron Fist because they’re both rushdown characters which have difficulties with zoning and keepaway, Wolverine is just the vastly superior rushdown character out of the two.