That’s depending on if they even feel like giving you a full tier list.
Zero players don’t have to do more work than Wolverine. Wolverine has to get in, try to get a mixup going, expand a bar if he wants to combo off his left right mixup, decide on Xfactoring or not for the kill, etc. The only work Zero players have to do is execute. I would argue that it’s harder to win with Wolverine than Zero against competent players
The bold part is completely retarded. How is that a flaw against Zero? I didn’t realize that Zero was the only character who could make mistakes. I guess all the other characters and Wolverine especially are immune to whiffs, bad timings, drops and assist interference. Now when I play someone other than Zero, I will not block hidden missiles due to my new found immunity to assists.
Better health doesn’t mean anything at all, execution in this game is a joke so it’s really a non factor. Zero has the best damage output in the game, solo or assisted so I’m not sure what this “deadly damage faster than Zero can” is about.
Zero is the best character in the game for many reasons actually. He can kill you off any hit, his mixup is retarded(3/4 of the screen mixups, what you know about that??), his control of the screen is retarded(lightning buster>lightning), he has some of the best mobility options in the game, some of the best normals in the game, is immune to pushblock, has one of the best projectiles in the game which leads to dead characters, a divekick which is cancellable, and then there’s Sougenmu where the character just becomes unfair
Wolverine doesn’t cut it to S tier because he’s not as dominant. Meter gain nerfs his ability to herpderp Berserk Charge, XFactor 1 is not as powerful and he lost invincibility on BS. Meanwhile, Ultimate added a lot more good keepaway characters so while not a direct nerf to Wolverine, the metagame is pulling him down. He can still wreck your shit once he gets in but hey, might as well play haggar then
As for a tourney where Zero placed higher than Wolverine, the last WNF, Flocker bodied Jwong. Also the last vanilla major.
DJ he obviously hasnt faced a lv3 xfactor Dark Phoenix, let alone probably played this game so why waste the time argue since he isnt willing to listen to reason?
I think Wesker’s best basis for the popularized #1 is based on major stats. He is the like the mvc-2 sentinel, being used in every important team for every player trying break it through the finals. People can make talk about these handicaps and weaknesses but majors do show what may could be just theory.
I will reply to your post Nini Heart tomorrow (maybe)…
Devil Jin this is a team game so when you talk about Wesker you have to bring up his assist on point and in anchor. Wesker impacts the game in more than just being on point or just being an anchor. He makes everyone he’s teamed with better. Yeah it’s 2 months into the game but once again 2 months into Vanilla people we’re saying that Phoenix and Wolverine would eventually get figured out and the only way they got figured out was by UMvC3 coming out. Also it’s not as though Wesker is a new character he’s been in the game since launch if people couldn’t stop him in Vanilla I don’t see why they’d magically develop a way to stop him now.
With that said it is a team based game so while you can rank the characters there should also be teams that are better than others. What’s the most optimal Wesker team ? Dorm ? Doom? Zero? C Viper ? Spencer? What assist do you want to cover your characters approach and what assist help you extend your combo’s.
@Swedish I thought cl0ckwork played ammy as his anchor…semantics I know but I thought his team order was Doom/strider/Ammy.
He’s putting up amazing results because
A- Everybody is using him.
B- Everybody sucks at the game.
[LEFT]Also Iron Fist sucks period. Yeah he has really good ground normals and a few tricks and does a lot of damage but he lacks ANY air options which automatically puts you on life support in a game like marvel 3. Jwong won because he is Jwong. Player Skill does not equal Character’s true potential.[/LEFT]
What the fuck does Ammy anchor have to do with Clock showing results with Strider?
Wolverine got figured out in Vanilla. If Wolverine didn’t get figured out in Vanilla, Tokido probably would have won Evo. He got figured out as soon as somebody figured out if they put Haggar or Tron assist on your team with the correct point characters, (Haggar protects you from left/right mix ups) you take out of a lot of Wolvie’s scare factor. Tokido’s team got knocked out mad early by Ranmasama’s Magneto/Sentinel/Haggar team and PR Rog still could only come up 2nd at best with Dante/Wolvie/Ammy or Tron because Wolverine especially just had too much trouble getting in on that assist.
Then at Seasons Beatings you didn’t see much Wolvie in Vanilla in the top 3 really. It was Zero running everybody during the single and team tourney with Tron and Phoenix backing.
Phoenix did get figured out in Vanilla IMO (people were coming up with nasty snap back mix ups) but top tier character + invincible assist + Phoenix just build meter way too fast. The meter build in Vanilla just didn’t not allow someone’s mind to catch up to the speed that her meter built.
All of a sudden they fix the meter build, and her self get off me assist that was air H shot and the Jeans drop like flies. ** A few people not using her in Ultimate would be more reasonable. In actuality it’s more like Viscant is holding the last torch for that bitch now which is hilarious considering what she was capable of in the last game.**
So everyone just a bunch of scrubs running Wesker ?
Whoops I thought I put anchor strider players. that’s why I responded like that. My fault.
You do realize that Wolverine finished 3rd & 5th respectively at seasoning beatings. I don’t believe that’s considered being figured out. As well as 2nd 3rd and 5th @ evo. Then at canada cup Tokido finished a lowly 3rd place with EG Floe at 5th and Ricky Ortiz 7th.
If that’s the fall of Wolverine excuse me if I don’t buy what you’re selling. If anything as the game life went on people we’re able to deal with Haggar/Tron way more effectively than Wolverine/Phoenix.
The only way I see a character as being unable to be figured out is if they are placing first every time. If they are not placing 1st everytime…somebody is figuring them out. It may not be you…but somebody is. Wolverine was not doing well enough in tourneys to be an insurmountable force even in Vanilla.
You gotta do better than 3rd place at majors during the last 2 months of the game to be the most difficult to deal with character in the game. Even at 2nd…there’s still soembody that figured him out and that’s not good enough to not be figured out. He got got at some point during the tourney.
He fell off from “insurmountable force” status in Vanilla and definitely just “strong character” in this game at best.
Isn’t that the same loop that’s extremely character specific (like 2 or 3 at best? In AE) and spacing specific and required a good chuck a super gauge to start/keep going? Unfortunately even if that loop could had been done reliably it’s not gonna be changing any match ups by much, just attempting to get the hit necessary means throwing yourself at risk without much means of hit confirming. Now if still worked like it’s older counterpart and if anyone in the tournament scene can tell the game would last 4+ years. (Something rare nowadays with updates) you would see it being attempted for sure as the meta game develop.
Ya know that’s impossible right?
On the subject of MODOK, I think people overestimate how difficult he is to use. Yes, his advanced stuff requires a shitton of execution, but honestly, his basic stuff still hits pretty damn hard and he can play keepaway really effectively as well. Either way, I just can’t see how he’d be lower than mid tier. If he had better lows, he’d be a very serious threat in tournaments…But where MODOK is at right now, he’s still a very solid contender since he can play pretty well at any distance.
Not if you consider that Magneto or Storm pretty much won anything worth talking about in MVC2 after a while.
DevilJin, Zero/Tron wasn’t really THAT dominating in Vanilla. I can only think of like two people besides myself that played that team. If there was any dominating Zero pair in Vanilla it was Zero/Dante.
That’s true but those days are over. No one really has dominated tournies like that since Mvc2. MvC3 is a whole different monster.
Probably not. It’s just as far as tourney results that’s what was looking to dominate at that time. I’m sure over time (or especially if the game had a Japanese arcade release) we’d see Zero/Dante running about everything. Probably even with Tron or Haggar in the back for good measure. Tron and Haggar were important though because not only did they make you invincible defensively but they also made your offense invincible. Unfortunately Zero/Dante never got time to see major tourney results.
Mash on c.L’s with Magneto/Wesker and get free coverage into another mix up if that somehow fails? That was basically worse than the AA assists of MVC2.
Here is something I don’t understand. Many people on here don’t think Wesker has any potential. They don’t see Wesker improving and coming out with new tech. He has some tools that aren’t even used as well as X-factor shenanigans that make it impossible to block, team supers that create unblockables, teleport tricks that mind fuck your opponent. For how good Wesker is now he can be even better but people don’t feel that need to push the extra mile with him cause he is already really good and easy to use. If you gave Wesker the best assists with the use of advanced tech along with mind gameable play with tricky teleports if you’re smart then Wesker is king. However, we don’t see many players giving Wesker the best prime assists for him since lots of people use him as an anchor. He’s even scarier on point with the best assists. Don’t underestimate Wesker’s potential people.
am i wrong
shouldn’t there also be a assist tier list or is that not of value
i’m assuming the grand list is for the character when they are on point(being used)
maybe i just want a list where the ko can get top 10 shrugs