UMVC3 SRK Tier List/Theory Discussion. (NEW THREAD NOW AVAILABLE)

Just out of curiosity… how often have characters actually moved around on this tier list (or rather, how often has the consensus/a majority of opinions been changed) based on theory alone? Sure, there’s plenty of theory behind why Viper and Zero are good despite their lack of tourney wins, but there also happens to be plenty of footage of them actually putting their stuff into practice against skilled players, proving their viability even if they don’t have results yet. After half-following this topic and the last, it occurs to me that anything without some kind of video footage behind it is mostly ignored or at best given a “you have some decent points” on the rare occasion that the dissenting poster is actually polite to those who rebut him, but even then, no one’s mind really changes. A bit odd considering that it’s supposedly a discussion topic.

Now, don’t think I’m saying there’s anything wrong with this. In a game with as many variables to account for as this one, it’s completely reasonable to ignore pure theory and insist that something be shown as effective in actual practice. I’m just bringing it up because it might be useful to let people know that they need to have some kind of video evidence if they want to be taken seriously when going against the grain–for example, Mr. Phoenix Wright Doesn’t Suck probably could have benefited from such a warning.

It’s a great team, but if you think about how teams will evolve over time and many characters will kind of become obscure, I forsee a very different team to make him shine. The team I use is what I basically consider the best team for him, Haggar/Spencer/Sent. The short and to the point is; Haggar gets a 2 bar 100% dhc combo that you can start from almost 0. insane resets from slant shot that give you a 50/50 100% no meter. Once you Dhc from in combo you killed a character and now can play defensive with spencer sitting behind lariat and drones. Plus if he dies, you have spencer/sent which has one man 100% combos and safe random bionic arms dhc into drones. I sometimes wonder if there is a better character than sent on anchor, but I really think he is necessary, he gives you something to do fullscreen basically and mixups on incoming characters that are impossible to see.

Ahh, whoops, the list isn’t updated for FF. But yeah, that’d shoot Vergil up a ton. The logic for Vergil being lower only including nec/scr/apex was that while he did place more than IM, his placements were less significant ( 8th place at Apex and 6th at NEC compared to Iron Man’s 3rd place finish )

Updated for Frosty Faustings the tier list would look something like:

The only tier list you’ll ever need

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**SSSSSS **Wesker
**SSS **Wolverine
**SS **Magneto, Vergil
**S **Dante
**A+ **Akuma, Dormammu, Spencer, Frank West, Iron Fist
**A **Ryu, Dr. Doom, Taskmaster, Hawkeye
**B+ **Firebrand, Sentinel, Zero
**B **Trish, Storm, Skrull
**C+ **Nova, Iron Man, Chun Li, Strider, Amaterasu Haggar, Deadpool
C Felicia, Phoenix, Nemesis
**F **Arthur, C. Viper, Captain America, Chris Redfield, Doctor Strange, Ghost Rider, Hsien Ko, Hulk, Jill Valentine, M.O.D.O.K., Morrigan, Phoenix Wright, Rocket Raccoon, She Hulk, Shuma-Gorath, Spider-Man, Thor, Tron Bonne, Viewtiful Joe, X-23[/details]

Zero is less theory and more shitting out hitboxes all over the screen into deaths

Viper is less theory and more shitting out giant invincible hitbox explosions that lead into death (or mixup on block)

Problem with Sent Drones is that it’s too slow for to extend Haggar’s OTG into a combo.

I like that rep of vergil/horizontal/otg. That team setup is down right monstrous.

One thng a lot of people don’t mention about Viper is how up-back is bad for her as when she takes to the air she’s pretty defenseless and a lot of people kill her of air grabs. Honestly thats why I see most vipers die, they are forced into the air to block an incoming mixup then get blown the fuck up. The time Marlin lost was because he got forced into the air or he ran out of EX seismo meter so wolvie got to run at him. The last match he won because viper went to the back until mid-game where doom had built her a bunch of bars and Noel was so woefully predictable it hurt my brain.

Which is what I always say about Viper (0-1bar) bleh … she’s not that scary (2-3 bars) fuck me. I think she’s good but there is a REASON she doesn’t dominate like some people think she should and given how little she’s changed I don’t feel it’s player ability.

Also EX Seismo isn’t the answer to everything for the same reason you can’t DP every jump in Guilty Gear you can’t input that shit in time, not to mention it’s baitable / safe jumpable.

its actually not, after air s, you do d+h + drones whiff pipe, then dash forward d+h (drones hit) pipe, dash forward d+h whiff pipe, d+H pipe whiff xx body press

Zero is the better character overall. Frank West is just middle tier to me. Frank only becomes top tier with level 4-5 when Zero is already high on the tier list. I placed him as the 7th best character in the game.

What I do want to see more of is overall character strength instead of just point. Reason why doom is so damn good is not only his point game, but he has 2 of the best assists in the game, and one pretty good one no one uses in favor of the other 2, and this allows you to put him almost anywhere on your team. If you took that into account zero would drop and deadpool would rise up a bit (deadpool with one of the few low hitting fast assists in the game)

Why is Viper defenseless in the air? I feel like her air-grab has great range, J.H has a great radius and most importantly she is one of the very few characters that can get 700k+ off an air-throw

I’d say that Dr Doom is defenseless in the air(outside of J.S) he is free to resets since his J.H is slow and not that great if you feel a throw reset coming, same with Dante.

I can’t believe you took that post seriously.

lol @ sextuple S-tier Wesker. Jesus Christ…

…Move over. lol

Giving her EX seismo is like giving a character with ridiculous rush down a high durability projectile that they can charge at all times, releasing for a 5 frame start up soft knock down attack. Capcom would never do such a thing, especially to a character with a sword. >.>

Oh man, I went to move Taskmaster and forgot to put him back.

Then the obvious solution is to give Viper a sword.

A sword made of lasers and Optic Blasts.

Does she have any 5-5 matchups? I can’t imagine anything lower.

Hsien-ko -Viper is 10-0 in favor of the blue girl…XD

Just curious, what weaknesses qualify zero to only be the 7th best in the game.

If they do I hope they keep it simple, otherwise we might have another one:

Spoiler

http://www.gamingbits.com/images/stories/general_bits/bionic_arm.jpg

he has green nipples

I think I’ll post my tier list tomorrow once I’ve had some rest, I may leave a lot of the lower areas vague as I have more certainty on what’s scary than what’s harmless. As with any list it’s subject to change and likely will have errors in it, if there are any that you notice, feel free to tell me then in case they were unintentional or if I need to explain them better.