I don’t understand this. This would only be true if Doom and Firebrand were the exact same characters, only Doom had better assists. Otherwise, Firebrand could be argued to be better than Doom because his point game is so good that you never need to have him second or third. Not saying that’s true, but you get my point right?
Zero gives jack shit to a team aside from being there, and he’s the best god damn character in the game.
I think we are on the same page then. When I come to tiering S and A’s I move more from “viability” to overall value.
The only reason I made this thread was because people wanted a tier thread that actually had a concrete tier list from the players/posters they could look at without having to run through pages and pages of one man tier lists. I more or less was doing a favor for the people who want the jist without having to read the thread all day. People like to see which characters seem to be doing hot and which ones aren’t so I made a thread where it’s right there plain and simple.
If you were expecting it to be any different past that…then you were definitely mistaken. It’s definitely going to be a lot of high tier questioning as usual.
Why do people care about “These characters are better than Wesker?” He’s not Vanilla Sagat by any means. I’m more sacred of a decent Zero than a Wesker.
Let us look at it like this:
Say you are facing a Viper user with a lockdown assist and a beam assist but are using a Combofiend esque team. This is a first to ten type grudge match. They win one, you win one and so forth. The match ends with the Viper team winning and let us say both of you had about same execution.
Her ability on point was what lead to the victory in the last match. Would not that say that her offering to the as a point character is something to be considered?
Wesker is more rage inducing, so people are very passionate about it. Also, Wesker rules online with an Iron Fist… (lol pun).
Dude is still really good though.
Viper has better DHC capability than Firebrand in my book (Lummy body + spinning knockdown setups are OK but they are very character specific), also to get Firebrand’s OTG to work I have to have him in Luminous body (but I’m not trying to keep firebrand off point if he has luminous body so this is moot). At least I can get better consistency with Viper’s OTG.
Honestly the only reason I don’t complain about Wesker is because I used to main him so nothing about him surprises me. I know everything he can do so if I get hit by something it was my fault basically. As opposed to Zero where he just puts so much god damn shit on the screen that I’m not sure how I got hit half the time.
He was referring to Felicia and her great command grab.
H-Ko’s command grab has deceptively short range (sometimes her claws will just pass through the opponent, the hell Capcom?), and the only thing you can do off of it is a hyper. So yeah, it’s not good.
Yea this is why I have Zero in S+ because with the right team set up (specifically Jam Session/Drones) I feel like he is unstoppable. Drones are so much harder to punish when you have to worry about Zero buzzing around the screen like a fucking jackass. He utilizes them so well.
Otherwise I would consider him pretty much simply S tier.
Well, Luminous Body isn’t about damage, its about safety and advantage afterwards. Viper’s DHC’s do a lot of damage, but are very unsafe.
Characters with great DHC’s do both. Magnus is a really good example of having amazing DHC’s.
The point character must always be considered as another offering to the team. Too many people forget that being a great point character is still a vital part of contributing to the team.
There’s a reason I never argue with the people who say Zero is the best, even when I hold that he’s not, because there’s a damn good case to be made there, and it really comes down to opinion at that point.
Everyone already forgot the terror that was Vanilla Wolverine.
If a character is specifically good on one part of the team…that should be where you tier them period. That’s how they’re going to rape the most in a tournament any way.
We could put Phoenix lower on the tier list because she’s not great on point but…
The few tournament vipers that there are all say she is number one or atleast way up there. Marlinpie said several times on his stream last night that Viper was the best in the game and he’s said this for a while now.
Yea but how about the other way around? DHCing into Firebrand is so much easier than DHCing into Viper and that imo makes him the better overal DHC for both ways.
The thing about Vipers OTG though is it is a lot harder to utilize than most regular OTGs because it pops them up so damn high.
The people who play against Viper say this too.
My favorite quotes from top players regarding Viper:
“I never got to play”
“the only advantage anyone has on Viper is that no one plays her yet”
Agreed. But when it comes to tiering two near-equally effective characters, though, you should then take into account how flexible each one is, right?
Because everyone puts him as top 5 and sucks his balls and it annoys the shit out of me
Yes which is why I think Wesker/Dante goes up with Viper and Zero. They may not have as much bullshit as them two but there flexibility and assists help out tons of teams.
EDIT: Wesker may not have as much bullshit as several other top tiers but his OTG assist is just a great asset and worse comes to worse, he can be a meat shield for some of the other characters who require meter as well as play point and second and anchor to a degree great.