Did you already have a response back to Tempest that I could read up on? I was trying to hear your opinion also after hearing Chrisis’
This statement kinda just makes my point. Not only have you very clearly never seen Marlin Pie play (you called MP combo’s “basic”), but you are defining a character by combos, which are only one very small facet of why a character is good.
Nah, Chrisis covered pretty much everything I would have said.
Well, I’m not saying that she sucks, never did. I also didn’t say that she doesn’t have tech but people tend to exaggerate the current tech that she has.
I’m not saying “you’re wrong” over and over again, and you saying that I don’t have an argument makes me believe that you didn’t read my China’s big wall of text in page 9.
Go have a read and then tell me that I don’t have an argument, even if you don’t agree with it, it’s there and it’s valid.
Are square jumping combos really that hard? Ever seen any MODOK videos?
Here are the anti Viper arguments
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I watched a stream and Viper didnt do good
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Viper hasnt won a major (then always reminded Marlin actually won one)
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Where is this crazy Viper tech
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Have you seen what Wesker has been doing in tournaments?
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Viper is all theory
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Viper is good but no way she is S tier
All very sound arguments and clearly show why this character is inferior to the rest of the really good characters up there.
I had to come out of retirement just to dislike this post.
The bolded shows your ignorance to the argument presented in this thread.
Flame me if you want.
Ok…so a lot of back and forth about Viper theory blah blah yadda yeah.
Marlin Pie did win Toronto Championships with her so that’s at least something.
Sooo…with that let’s discuss something that happened in real time with Marlin Pie’s Viper just recently.
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**Watch…then discuss what Viper did/didn’t do/could have done etc. Thanks. **
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I’ll throw in earlier round vs. Noel Brown for some variety.
What makes me sad is that Viper would still be S tier even if her only over powered tool was EX Seismo. Unfortunately it isn’t.
SHE DIDN’T BLOCK
True, if you pick Viper you cannot block right. F tier.
Seriously (not directed at Nini), the fact that your best strategy against Viper is to hope she screws up should tell you how good she is.
First two when Viper got tagged
- Marlinpie was not ready for Dorm tricks and/or did not block.
Matches where MarlinPie did something with Viper - blocked and/or EX Seismo (you see where he was ready for the Dorm offense).
- was in good shape when he connected.
Also in one of the later sets MarlinPie was fishing too much for air throw and got caught by Dorm = good game.
Nowhere did a Viper hit confirm lead to a non-dead character, as far as I could see.
My most recent tier list, Critique!
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J-Tier: Jill. (she’s between A and B)
S Tier = C.Viper, Dante, Doom, Strider, Wesker, Zero
A Tier = Dorm, Firebrand, Magneto, Deadpool, Vergil, Akuma, Ammy, Felicia, Hawkeye, Nova, Phoenix, Spencer, Taskmaster, Trish, Wolverine, X-23.
B Tier = Captain America, Chris, Dr.Strange, Frank West, Hulk, MODOK, Morrigan, Shuma, Nemesis, Rocket Raccoon, Ryu, Sentinel, Spider Man, Storm, Super Skrull, Thor, V.Joe,
C Tier = Arthur, Chun Li, Ghost Rider, Haggar, Iron Fist, Iron Man, Phoenix Wright, She Hulk,
The S-Tier - The general consensus is that these characters are amazing and accel on point, nearly self sufficient, and require little team-building around them, and have a useful assist or two to boot.
Zero is the only odd one out, but then again he’s Zero.
The A-Tier - These characters accel at what they are supposed to be but are held back by one minor flaw which is usually corrected by a wide variety of assists.
The B-Tier - These characters accel but they often require specific set-ups, and certain assists to be “A-Tier quality”. But the B-Tier can hold their own.
The C-Tier - These characters often require heavy assistance and specific set-ups to accel but if the team is built solely around them, then they can shine.[/details]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjmCD05x9Vg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL#t=6m36s
Oh and can somebody explain how the fuck he made Viper teleport behind Wolvie? LOL.
I see a small case for this except Doom.
I will say this about the Marlin Pie vids DJ posted. Marlin was dropping stuff left and right. I know the combo’s he was going for, he just messed them up. I blame it on Doom, Marlin hasn’t been playing Doom on that team for all that long, and the timing on his beam is very different than the timing on Magnus’.
He used a TK feint as a command dash. He was probably getting ready to set something else up, but he got a crossup instead.
I don’t think you have any clue what you’re talking about. http://www.twitch.tv/8wayrun/b/304923041 - Part 2, the whole damn round starting at 1:45. You’re telling me that’s “Basic BNB stuff with a square jump” ?
Also, I’d like to state again that how much “team building” a character requires is pretty irrelevant most times as far as tiering goes. If a character needs a specific team (see Jill), then you are either playing the character right, or you aren’t.
To put it another way. Doom is really good in pretty much every spot on a team, while Strider is pretty much a pure anchor (not entirely true, I know). This makes Doom better, but it does not make Strider worse.
Mmmm…yeah that’s why I got rid of doom beam, it’s just too hard to confirm off sometimes but the bigger problem is the soft knockdown makes it real sloppy for getting any mix ups after. Unibeam keeps them in place so you can basically choose scaled damage or mix them up to get full damage. Lot more intuitive. The only issue I have with unibeam is he always appears next to you so you have to space him more correctly than Doom.
Ah yeah I forgot about the forward momentum on the TK feint. Honestly if he did that on purpose that would have been the sickest shit I’ve seen in a while. Wolverine didn’t even have his dive kick out yet but the fact that he basically accidentally got behind the dive kick is really interesting.
Check NissanZaxima’s list. Argument number 1.
" - I watched a stream and Viper didn’t do good"
Just FYI, Viper can blow up Wolverine dive kick and BS with Focus>EX Seismo or Focus>Dash>Grab. Marlin did it once, but it’s pretty hard to do on reaction as Focus has like 4 frames of startup. Also, because of TK feints Viper can effectively Dash Cancel all her normals. Specials too if your willing to burn meter for EX TK.
I was going to give you crap about not including Hsien-Ko, but it’s not like there’s much of an argument to be made there anyway.
The usual and amazingly stupid reaction to this I remember seeing in the first thread was: “That wasn’t an important tournament so it doesn’t count”
EDIT: LOL the person that said this liked this XD