UMVC3 SRK Tier List/Theory Discussion. (NEW THREAD NOW AVAILABLE)

He can.

The thing about projectile wars is if Pool is doing jump back guns and Task is on the ground, it catches Task in the face, since the arrows don’t go high. Unless I just suck.

You can do something silly like H counter XX arrow super, but you don’t always want to waste meter like that.

Sounds like a political scandal in the making.

I thought Ace was trolling me by picking Haggar against my Zero team, come to find out Haggar is actually pretty good with 0 meter TODs and frame traps up the ass… Haggar is definitely a high B or lower A tier character

I never was a fan of tier lists that had A+ tiers or B- tiers, etc. To me, it just seemed to be a way to not hurt anyone’s feelings when their favorite character ended up in a D or F tier. And in this game, tier lists just seem to be based on 1v1 matchups, or only points characters. I’m nowhere near as knowledgeable as the regulars that have been posting in the tier threads for months, but personally, as good as Zero is, he only seems to shine as point. Doom, for example, you put anywhere on your team with ANY of his assists, and chances are your team has massively improved. (Also, more than 5 characters in S tier?)

And yeah, in a game such as this, it is so difficult to make a tier list because of assists and team comp. Anyone with skill can make even the seemingly crappiest of characters work, IE: Jwong’s Thor/Hsienko last year. That’s one of the great things about this game. If you have the ability, knowledge, and the drive, you can make it work. You may not hit top 8 at EVO or whatever, but if you’re having fun, who give’s a shit.

I already explained why I believe that she doesn’t belong to the “S” or “A” tiers. If you read my tier explanations, I never suggested that she was a bad character by any means, none of the “B” tiered characters are, and I also said that she could fit in a tournament team at “S” level.

However my tier list didn’t consider assist backup, just individual’s potential where I believe that she needs assists in order to be a 100% effective, while assists are overkill for characters like Akuma and Dante.

I don’t feel like she can be a game changer herself without assist, while the characters from the “S” and “A” tiers can.

As for my decision with Doctor Strange, it was honestly a hard one and even I had doubts but when I analized everything about him, he offers two of the best assists for zoners as for rushdown teams, he also has good zoning by himself. He can create his own safe mixups with Eye of Agamoto and teleports, has incredibly good Hyper combos and special attacks and his combos feel solid so far, not to mention that even in X-factor lvl 1 he can easily loop many characters to death. Of course he hasn’t been as explored as other characters, but so far as an individual he offers enough tools in order to be an “A” tier.

Wesker is overrated as an “S” tier by many people, but that doesn’t mean that you can underrate him to the “B” tier, he has range with his gun and that can be a problem for slower melee characters, he has an incredible mobility and extremely useful teleport options for mixups, his teleports can be played in either offensive or deffensive ways, also, do you think you can zone wesker easily? try throwing a random projectile against him just to find yourself countered by him.
A rushdown character that can’t be easily zoned is something to take into consideration, not to mention that he has command grabs and one of the best assists in the game. He can be played as point, middle or anchor and so far, look at the online AND tournament results, he’s there.

Everyone has their own opinion, sorry if you don’t agree with Viper, but I won’t change my point of view until I see some mind blowing technology.

You only joined up recently, but seriously, she has more mind-blowing technology than any other character pretty much. In fact, most arguments are about how practical it is for her to do stuff (it is very practical), not what she is capable of.

Doesn’t a keepaway zero just make him cry mustachio’d tears?

Edit: Still, who would have thought they’d make Haggar good? Or were we missing something all along?

As far as Strange’s “mixups” go, they don’t do very well without a team. Same with his assists.

See what I did there?

I see lol.

My issue with his mixup is that most characters can do that with pretty much any assist. I still think it’s way to many hoops to jump through to do something most teams can do right out of the gate.

All this haggar talk makes me mad. I hate that character and his anger inducing winquotes.

not even trolling, haggar beats zero.

MODOK shouldn’t be B tier. Higher.

Oi, don’t go overboard mate

My Zero is below average but yeah, I’m sure Zero is ok as long as he keeps his distance

So everyone’s opinion on Firebrand?

Fixed

More so his new otg lets him auto-kill you off everything then anything else

He was missing ToD combos and a way to combo out of his grabs. Cr. H made all of that possible.

Just to add my 2cents to the felicia/wolvie debate, i feel she is better then him for 2 reasons

  1. She can combo off her thows without and assist.
  2. Her assist are much better then wolvies

Because of this she can fit into any position well, tho she is best on point. Wolvie cant necessarily say that. Wolvie has to be on point backed with an assist to be effective and to combo off of throws. If you try to block felicia you most likely will be in the air to avoid her frame trap/mixups/command grab same with wolive minus the command grabs. If you chicken block wolvie unless you have an assist or xfactor you wont be gettin a combo from ur air grab. Felicia on the other hand if you get air grabbed you will get TOD’s almost guaranteed (dependent on team makeup).

So to simplify it felica is pretty much the same type of charecter genrewise BUT she brings versatilty to your team something wolverine doesnt do and in this game versatilty is a GREAT thing.

You could say that Zero doesn’t work on every part of the team as well as other high to top tier characters but he’s arguably the best character to put on point of any in the game. You might as well start Zero on point because he’s purposely set by the game to be right in front of his opponent when the match starts and he builds 2+meters per hit by himself. This is the same character that has crazy mix ups with assists, can basically self assist mix up with like 2 of his special moves and has normals that are more like multi hit laser hit boxes than traditional normals.

His control of the neutral game is pants-on-head retarded. He’s in my top 5 because of his match-ups. I’m just glad that his assists are average, or at least not something traditional like a beam.