cause he essentially is Trish on Crack that more or less says “to troll hard or troll harder” I don’t see many other characters aside from maybe Vanilla jean that can essentially stay at super jump height, come in and be almost entirely safe when he wants in as well…
Not to mention if he has super-skrull he can kill an entire team off of the first crouching L. he gets >_>
Also if you want the inputs of how to do it it don off a simple standing h, to net arrows and you have enough time to dash forward and then do a standing h netarrows and it will still combo and when you get within range you can slide into combo and kill of the charecter.
i think trish is better than taskmaster, but not by a big margin. magneto is her worst match up, followed by dante. vergil, hawkeye, dormammu she either loses by a small margin or goes even. every other character she beats or goes even with.
trish can sj round trip is similar to taskmasters sj. straight arrows.
This. At some point we have to just admit, “Yeah, that character is godlike, but there are several other characters in this game above that.”
This post, to me, agreed that he should be in A-.
Even if we differ slightly on tier placement, we’re both agreeing that Hawkeye is amazing, no? I just think he doesn’t have enough things going for him to be higher than the A- tier in the current format we’re using.
S: Zero, Viper, Wesker
A: Doom, Dormammu, Spencer, Trish, Firebrand, Dante, Magneto, Wolverine, Frank West
B: Hawkeye, Vergil, Nova, Storm, Felicia, Strider, Amaterasu, Chun-Li, Morrigan, Phoenix, Super-Skrull, Doctor Strange, X-23, Chris, Taskmaster
C: Captain America, Phoenix Wright, Sentinel, Jill, Spider-Man, M.O.D.O.K., Deadpool, Ryu, Viewtiful Joe, Akuma, Hulk
D: Ghost Rider, Thor, Arthur, Haggar, Iron Fist, Iron Man, She-Hulk, Nemesis, Shuma-Gorath, Rocket Raccoon
E: Hsien-Ko, Tron
Legend:
S - Pretty much broken.
A - Amazing tools and no significant flaws.
B - Solid tools all-around, but with some notable flaws.
C - Flaws keep them from dominating, but they are competitive.
D - Significant flaws will probably always hold them back.
E - Not viable.
Characters within tiers are more or less ordered in how I feel they are.
I can run an assistless Firebrand because he is literally that good. But I hate how I can’t make a mistake with the guy or it’s bye bye birdie.
Trish fights Magneto fairly well IMO.
Trish and Dormammu is a weird match up, because she can rush him down pretty good, but she definitely can’t play her lame game against him.
Hawkeye is similar to Dormammu. She has to go in, but if he doesn’t have meter she can take her time with it.
Vergil isn’t really a problem if you play smart. Sure, his tracking teleport can catch you, but you have to be aware of that.
Dante is really troublesome. Not only does he have the tracking teleport of his brother, he also has Devil Trigger, Missiles, Acid Rain, Air Play, and Hammer.
Zero can give he troubles with H Raikousen, BUT I think she can go even with Zero.
Firebrand vs Trish is the most ridiculous match ever. I think eventually Firebrand wins, but they both can play extremely lame or rush each other down. It’s really baffling.
It’s ok.
yeah, even magneto isnt too bad. it just feels like magneto can do everything she can do but better. she has a better overall keepaway game but magneto’s magnetic shockwave limits her air options a lot. plus, he also has a faster triangle jump into more damaging combos.
vergils 3/4 screen normals are a pain in the ass, especially when he anti airs your triangle jump attempts, especially with standing l.
trish vs zero feels pretty even.
Theory Zero and C. Viper are always going to be on top even without real tournament results = this tier list.
Yeah. Magneto with meter is trouble, but look at it this way: If you’re in the top corner playing lame, Shockwave is only going to hit you for 1 hit and little damage. If you’re on the ground though, it’s going to negate all your offense. I agree on him being an overall better character, but the match up isn’t too bad. If Magneto didn’t have Magnetic Blast, they wouldn’t be as comparable IMO.
Il post up my list 2mo when I get up… also how do you do spoiler tags ive never ever used one lol fraud I know
S: Zero, Wesker, Wolverine, Doom, Strider, Phoenix, C Viper, Dormammu, Magneto
A: Hawkeye, Spencer, Dante, Vergil, Nova, Frank West, Ammy, Trish, Akuma, Super Skrull
B: Sentinel, Ryu, Captain America, Storm,Felicia, Firebrand, Chris, Hulk, Strange, X-23
Deadpool, Ironfist, Ghost rider, Modok, Spiderman, Nemesis, Morrigan, Haggar, Vjoe,
C: Ironman, Jill, Rocket Raccon,
D: Hsien ko, She-hulk, Thor, Chun li, Tron, Shuma
E: Phoenix Wright
I’ve done some thinking and I removed the (- Tiers) away from my list. - Just seems like a generous bracket and i don’t see it to be needed in categorizing the characters.
S: I classify the S tier by the top 10 characters. I am not as updated on how the tier lists developed around in decemeber, but i recall these characters getting the most mentions before that and i still feel that they are with in the top 10. IMO, i can’t agree with tier lists that have only 2-4 characters in the S bracket because this top 10 i list here have all it takes to actually be “godlike”. I don’t put 2-4 characters only in the S bracket because it gives me that MVC2 feeling, where the god 4 are in their own bracket and that’s because in order to actual survive the depths of MVC2’s metagame, you need at least one God tier in your team. They where indistinguishable because they brought all the necessities and all the “insurance” to a team competitively. This isn’t the case with UMVC3, in UMVC3 teams can work with out the Zero’s and the weskers. There are more characters that contribute a butt-load of positive factors to a teams dynamics other than Zero and Wesker. All teams become stronger uniquely/differently with these 10 characters as part of the team. Which is why my opinion on the S tier is the top 10. It’s just not right to me to see only Zero and Wesker as the only S+ or S tier when each of these 10 give so much power to teams. Especially with characters like Dormammu and Strider - who IMO is an Anchor counter.
A: The top 20. They have all the top tier like strengths but they just don’t cut it in my eyes with in the top 10. It’s a hard thing too agree on, especially with Vergil, Dante and Spencer on that bracket. Those 3 characters are powerful and stand in an S tier bracket to many people. No doubt. But again, i just don’t see them as TOP 10. Vergil, Dante, Spencer, and even Magneto do flip flop around my opinion on S to A tier allot. As for Frank West, I think Frank West is with in the top 20 best characters in the game. Level 4-5 Frank is too beast like to be considered lower. You can paste all the negative theory fighting as “it’s too much work” and all that, but it’s not a bitch to reach. ]
B: The B tiers are characters who are usable at a certain position; they are viable and capable enough of handling any tiers in majors. They just lack that “mmmph”. They struggle heavily from certain situations or certain tools. The reason why the B tiers have a high number of characters is because i see this game to very balanced. Most of these characters are not horrible characters (still viable in tourneys) but just not consistent at a godlike point of view.
C: C tiers IMO are characters who i feel are not as explored (or explored the wrong way). Ironman to most is “meh” but i have this odd feeling that their is something we just don’t know about him yet. Ironman could have the same issue he had in MVC2 were the japs found all these infinites that boosted up the opinion on his tier to the world. I don’t know. Contrary, I have not seen anything too great from Ironman to consider him B tier and just like Jill and perhaps rocket raccoon, i just think these characters are in the unknown yet tier. They can move up and they can move down…
D: Bottom tier. I think the bottom tiers still have potential but we all see their limitations anyway. Hsien ko is a popular bottom tier character, but people still use her majors and she managed to get a spot in the Socal tourney… there is a chance for her and the rest to eventually rise. You can see this as another “not as explored as we thought” category, but regardless the limitations and hardships of the D tier are highly visible to the majority.
E: Phoenix Wright, no need to explain.
I appreciate your feedbacks (positive or negative).
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[details=Spoiler]S+ : Zero, Wesker(currently, may drop)
S: Viper, Dante, Magneto(yes Magneto is still godlike), Firebrand
S-: Hawkeye, Doom, Spencer, Strider, Dorm
A+: Nova, Trish, Vergil, Phoenix(still insane but takes more work)
A: Strange, Logan, Morrigan, Akuma, Skrull
A-: Taskmaster, X-23, Felicia, Jill, MODOK, Spidey
B+:Ryu, Viewtiful Joe, Storm, Cap, Ammy, Hulk
B: Thor, Haggar, Sent, Nemesis, She Hulk, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Rocket Raccoon, Arthur
B-: Tron, Chunners, Shuma, IM(going with what people think)
C: Hsien Ko
F: Wright[/details]
Let me know if I missed anyone.
Too many + or -'s I think. The overall order is decent though. Dante, Magneto, Viper > Wesker for certain. Many will argue Firebrand and Strider are better too, and I agree with them, but I think it’s less important than Dante, Magneto, Viper being better.
I just did that so the tier areas wouldn’t be too crowded. I think currently Wesker is greater and part of that is his OTG assist as well as his comeback factor.
I think over the time he will drop and those you named will take over as scarier characters. But currently he is right up there with Zero in the WTF is this BS???
I understand, but I think them being crowded is GOOD. It shows how close the characters are together in this game.
You have two Vergil’s.
Though personally I like to think his DT form is a another character as well.