Yeah I see what you are saying. Eventually people will learn how to deal with and stop Zero like we did with jean and wesker.
I think Vanilla Zero is fine, Except Give us Vanilla Zero but keep Buster soft KD.
This game is close to balanced in a sense but the crazy / random / undiscovered factors play a large factor.
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I’m sure the buttload of nerfs had nothing to do with how we “dealt with” jean and Wesker.
i remember when everyone was complaining about dante’s teleport. now, it’s like the easiest thing to deal with lol.
still, zero is extremely noob friendly. his missions were one of the easiest in the game.
Missions are irrelevant, and almost entirely worthless.
Make Next Top tier…less stupid. And your good.
I mean how many people bitch about VF5’s top tier or even KOF’s Top tier compared to MVC3’S top tier?
Just because the USA don’t use him don’t really mean he isn’t viable. Zak Bennet, Marvisto, Toki, and few other people use him people pretty well. Keep in mind that USA is in the mentality that they want to maximize cheapness and have no intentions of exploring the cast. There is still mysteries and riddles that could be solved in MVC2 for instance.
okay, so we’re just gonna leave you at irrelevant and worthless.
yeah, zero’s easy peasy lemon squeezy.
You used mission mode as evidence…
Zero gets scrubbed out very easily. Yes he may have super safe and crazy ass mix ups but you fuck up once with him and hes dead…
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Like every character in the game versus a good player/team.
All teleports are inherently good. It doesn’t matter how telegraphed/slow they are if there’s an assist coming out too that forces a 3 frame window to either block left or right.
Also, I call bullshit on people consistently punishing raw teleports. That is a steaming pile of shit, because you see it happen even in majors still.
For people that think Vergil spiral swords and Zero LL make this game better, what is your favorite flavor of Mountain Dew?
Chievements!
The problem is a major is the exact place you don’t wanna do a raw teleport because if they react you lose. There’s no real strategic reason to raw teleport other than as a knee jerk footsie closer, but the fact that it CAN be reacted to means it’s usually not worth it. Just like anything that can be reacted to there are times where people won’t because of the work involved into reacting to it in the first place. Doesn’t mean it can’t be done. If I’m playing against just any old guy in a tournament match and he’s doing raw teleports, unless he’s playing Deadpool he’s probably not going to be able to get to use that character very often.
The benefit you get for successfully completing a raw teleport is strong, but the risk in a game where taking risks can mean you lose your character…it’s on you to try that shit. It’s one of those typical “look great when it works, look like an idiot when it doesn’t work” things. You just have to hope the opponent is thinking about too many other things where they won’t be thinking to react to your raw port.
You can consistently punish jump ins in SF…but they still work even in majors also. It’s just the typical fighting game thing of when you have the opponent occupied on other stuff…riskier stuff can work.
Which this all doesn’t really matter since assist+port always ensures you don’t have to do raw ports any way.
even if Zero got nerfed people will just find the next character to complain about,its happen countless time in the SF4 series
There are games with an acknowledged top tier that people don’t bitch about. There are also games with only two or three total tiers. There are also games with a top tier but no S (God) tier.
These are all good goals. Just because SSF4 didn’t achieve it doesn’t mean other games can’t.
i wasn’t sure if duck’s post was trolling or not. teleports, particularly dante’s, are not a huge deal. i know it seems like a good idea to throw out a random teleport every once in a while in an attempt to “fool your opponent,” but that’s just not the case.
people could be mashing, trying to do another attack, jump (i.e. block in the crossup direction), etc. i’ve been toying around with dr. strange’s bolt assist with dante’s teleport, and the result is block + advancing guard. seeing dante do down, down, and disappear in a red cloud of smoke is a free grab. all you have to do is forget about the assist and block the teleport.
oh, and about zero, people don’t like him because he’s nooby.
Zeros not nooby, He just a lot more rewarding and safe then he should be. Hes a fine character and people are over reacting to Zero tbh. Morrigan and Vergil are much more a problem tbh.
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That’s not really a big deal since if he makes the opponent fuck up once…regardless of their health they’re dead also (barring a dropped combo which won’t happen often enough against a solid Zero). Not to mention most dropped Zero combos turn into favorable resets any way. Zero player isn’t worried about fucking up anymore than you are because as long as he can catch you fucking up you’re gonna die first regardless of character being used.
He has a little bit of a maintenance threshold that people will need to learn to get around but other than that…you can just as easily lose to Zero for slipping once as he can so it’s hardly an issue.
You’ve named 3 players that prove my point. None of them have been able to seal the deal in tourney because if you build a team up around a non viable character, your team will flop without that character.
There’s nothing wrong with ‘cheap’. All ‘cheap’ implies is that you put less effort into using the character than your opponent has to put in to beat the character. It’s the same for every game because that’s the spirit of competition. Building a team up around a gimmick will only last for the life span of the gimmick.
Back in December everyone thought Wesker was the best character in the game and everyone was playing him, now look at him. Log trap won because it was a gimmick now that everyone has seen it, they know how to react to it. Phoenix? I’m willing to bet that at most, only 1 Phoenix team makes it to top 8 compared to 4 last year.
I wont speak on MVC2 because I don’t know much, but when people say you needed top 4 to compete in that game, I believed them.
Firebrand needs his unblockable either removed or make not work after xxx period of time after using snapback give firebrand a compensation for removing this tool which doesnt belong in this game