In case you didn’t realise, this is a character-specific discussion forum.
Logic would dictate that if one of the world’s best players decided to start tinkering with the character said forum is dedicated to, it would be reasonable to expect a thread would be made about.
tl;dr version: Stop telling people they can’t discuss the goings on of character use among high level players, particularly when its topical to the forum you’re posting in. Akuma players can’t start threads discussing renown players using Akuma? In an Akuma forum?
A few things:
1: If he does pick Akuma, do you think Daigo will be doing the longer versions of akuma combos? I’m referring to the cases where you can cram in an extra cr.mp. For example, sometimes after connecting with a divekick you can do cr.mp and link it into cl.hp, cancel that into lk tatsu… you get the idea.
I’ve only ever seen Tokido do that ONCE, and I used to follow him religiously. I know its a tough link but Tokido used to do the loop (which was also a 1 framer, right?) over and over FLAWLESSLY, and he did it so often that they started calling it “Tokido time”.
2: Did Momochi ever say why he abandoned Akuma? Was it because of the nerfs?
When I spoke to Tokido here in Australia I asked this question. He said Momochi grew tired of having to apply elaborate setups and mix-ups to win matches and deal damage as he wasn’t a fan of that emerging style for Akuma. Worth nothing is that Tokido instead embraced it, which is really showcased in their significantly differing styles.
He also said that he wanted to play a character with a stronger ground based game and as such felt Ken was better than Akuma in this area.
Its a shame really, I miss Momochi’s precise and patient style.
1- It’s an easy link, the problem is with the spacing, far fierce will often come out vs a lot of the cast instead of close st.hp if cr.mp wasn’t done very deep. Tokido does use the link when he’s close enough (i.e after focus crumble > dash) to the opponent and he’s sure that he’ll land it, I think Daigo will do the same if he picked up Akuma.
2- IIRC he said that he’s more comfortable using more of a footsie based character like Ken instead of relying on mixups. Vanilla Akuma wasn’t forced to rely on mixups to win since he did a lot of stun and damage anyway, but that wasn’t the case anymore in SSFIV because you had to rely a lot more on wakeup mixups (aka vortex) to win.
Sure make you sound like a hypocrite when you are calling other people riding dicks but when they attack you the same way, you call them reading too deeply into rhetorical syntax.
Guess what, I can call you riding dick too. I can attack Tokido just the same. How many Evo did he won? Whatever number you come with; So fucking what? Did he make one of the most memorial video game moment of all time? Oh, do you call standing in front of a projector memoriable? Whatever moment you bought up, I am just going to respond with: What a dick rider.
The point is, people here appreciate different things. They appreciate the things Daigo did, like you appreciate the things Tokido did. Totally fine. The problem come when you start insulting other and basically saying “The things I like are better then the things you like.”. Reading too deeply into rhetorical syntax? You know using misleading term doesn’t make you any less of a jackass hypocrite.
Furthermore, this forum is solely made for Akuma, you can come here and tell people Akumn is good or crappy, but telling people making a thread about an Evo champion wanting to main his character irrelevant just show how out of touch you are. The sad thing here is that you are not even trying to be a jackass, you are just fucking dumb about it.
This thread actually have some of the best discussion I have seem. The discussion between Ultra 1 and Ultra 2 are very well thought provoking and interesting, but you, come here and try to ruin it with your bullshit insults are just unacceptable.
Seriously, get a grip. You are losing it. The rest of us, let’s talk about Akuma.
Personally, I find this method of retort suit you a lot better then when you were trying to be intelligent. Thanks for summarizing your lame self up in such easy to read format.
The only thing Daigo is good at guessing with is a DP that he can FADC. Him guessing with an unsafe move has proved fatal. (look at his match vs poongko). I believe Daigo is good, but his play with Yun proved his “ume-shoryu” is only good of he can FADC
Seth will beat any mashed reversal with his dp anyways. He doesn’t give 2 shits if your reversal is FADcable or not. That’s exactly why he’s so good. He’s the only (or one of the very few) characters that you can’t really mash against.
I wonder if that Yang he’s up against is Nemo (thus being from that series where he went like 12-15). He’s already looking pretty good with the character, and already showing a DP and fireball game a step ahead of Tokido’s.
Tokido can’t dp, so its hardly difficult to do better than him that area combined with Daigo being a true no-fly zone. Tokido’s strengths are in counterhit fishing and knockdowns - this is where I wanna see Daigo work his skills.
No way is he gonna go with Akuma after the 2012 buff-fest though.
Btw I recur some Super footage of Daigo where he really struggled at antiairing, probably because of the different MP DP, compared to vanilla’s fierce (where he really seemed a no-fly zone).
I think he meant Evo. But judging one (of the greatest) player by 2 matches alone would be totally wrong if you ask me.
It’s not like the UmeShoryu came from the SF4 series, the term could have never been born in a game where you negate the risks a psychic shoryu comes with.
Just because there are ways to punish fireballs doesn’t mean that fireballs aren’t very strong in SF4. Watch Daigo’s Ryu play against any Rufus in Super or Vanilla. The matchup is dominated by the fireball trap. Fireballs are still amazing counter-pokes, easy chip damage, and powerful zoning tools. Also in the majority of matchups there are safe distances to throw fireballs. Counters like focus and jumping rely on anticipation or at least sitting on a hair trigger. And then if the Ryu player knows this he can take advantage of it with his normals, safer jump-in range, overhead, and kara throw.
Some matchups like Blanka and Yang make fireballs pretty weak. But that just means you use them less, not never.
If you are so scared of ultra combos in this game that you stop throwing fireballs, you don’t understand the fireball game well enough. I actually throw more fireballs against decent opponents looking for jump-in combos because it irritates the crap out of them and makes them more likely to jump. I just make sure to do it at the right ranges, at less predictable timings.
That’s what i was getting at.
Myself and 2 friends watched the first to 10 together. Before we did the most intelligent of our trio stated
"I hope it’s 10-0 Daigo." I agreed heartily. Our third friend was confused, bringing up said Evo match.
We explained that our perception was Daigo is in a different league from Poongko, you can’t judge that from a single match
where the self-titled “Gamble King” did some brutal shoryus.
Tokido is in the God’s clique and should be judged so. On that platform comparatively speaking, Tokido can’t dp.
He chooses to defend quite often which translates often to otherwise free damage passed up on. Granted Akuma’s DP is lacking unless they are borderline right above you, but a lot of the time I catch myself spotting scenarios where he could have dp’d, but didn’t. He’s said himself that he considers his AA (and projectile use) a weak part of his game though a lot of the time it strikes me as a lack of confidence and instead choosing not to flub an AA attempt and eat a monster punish.
Its actually kind of strange given his otherwise excellent execution skills. Mago and Daigo for example? No fly zones. Ever. I respect those who can AA well. We have a couple guys on the tournament scene here who have excellent AA skills, one of which dabbles with Akuma for laughs now and then. Its an eye opener seeing him apply his AA skills to Akuma. It definitely opened my eyes to what is possible with Akuma if you can AA properly which forced me to rework this portion of my game pretty heavily.
If Tokido’s AA game levelled up I think he’d be even scarier to deal with. This isn’t me pissing on Tokido either. Tokido is the way when it comes to the demon bar none.
