Ultra Street Fighter 4 | General Lounge

[Doopliss]

I don’t like the sound of lvl 1 RF crumple on EX cancel.

It’s not so bad. Most characters have better options, and most of the ones who do not are pretty low on the tier list. Then there’s Fei Long though…

[SocraticClown]

you guys really know how to bitch.
I swear.

all these new mechanics is just more chaos in a game full of random madness.

so this is all silly nonsense anyway.

SF4…like SF3…is a joke.
because the people who made both games don’t know what they are doing regarding the fighting game genre.
They aren’t the geniuses that made SF2 good.
Those people left long ago.

this is just more bullshit to shake our heads at.

oldschool_BR wrote:

The release of a 4th installed on the main SF franchise did revitalize the scene. The fact that the game appealed too much to the casual crowd; was developed by people who did not understand SF and disregarded the best versions of the game in favor a 1) 3D collision system and, then, 2) hitbox system with no regard to previous versions but in terms of dimensions and frame data; favors combos, hit-confirms and 50-50 mix-ups instead of footsies and zoning; and introduced wacky mechanics, these did not revitalize the scene at all. If SF4 was a great game, ST would not be played anymore and many more players would like the competitive aspect of the game.

In Vanilla SF4, you can quickly react to a random Tatsu, hit the enemy out of the air with a Fierce SRK, only to have the enemy recover before you do and “punish” you for being good. This is ridiculous.

Ten Years Gone? (List of games when Street Fighter was absent)

IS THIS REALLY TRUE? VIDEO REFERENCE PLEASE. Yep, it’s true. I don’t have a video, though: I do not own the game. It happened at the arcade, a couple of years ago, just before I quit on it. It would be nice if someone could make one, though, since it’s absolutely hilarious. Edit: in case the previous reference to console sounded weird, it was a cab with a console in it, and some hack so as to disable the controls when a player lost a match.

Enjoy Ultra SF4 people.
=P

[CPS_3]

SF4…like SF3…is a joke.
because the people who made both games don’t know what they are doing regarding the fighting game genre.
They aren’t the geniuses that made SF2 good.
Those people left long ago.

1st of all, you are a joke. 3rd ist the greatest SF of all time
2nd you know who Dimps was founded by, right?

[Aquashark]

In Vanilla SF4, you can quickly react to a random Tatsu, hit the enemy out of the air with a Fierce SRK, only to have the enemy recover before you do and “punish” you for being good. This is ridiculous.

wat? -_-

sound expertise there buddy…

[SocraticClown]

read the thread I took that quote from bro.
didn’t you notice the link to the page I posted just below the quote?

[Prof]

I almost kinda prefer that they change taunt to back/select button, and make red focus HK+HP. I know it would take away the funny kara taunts, but nobody really uses that anyway.

I use them all the time.

[Doopliss]

read the thread I took that quote from bro.
didn’t you notice the link to the page I posted just below the quote?

He probably did c.HP into SRK or something. And even if that actually happened, you can’t really judge the game on a once-in-a-liftetime glitch like that…

[Eternal]

read the thread I took that quote from bro.
didn’t you notice the link to the page I posted just below the quote?

He probably did c.HP into SRK or something. And even if that actually happened, you can’t really judge the game on a once-in-a-liftetime glitch like that…

Once in a life time x 6billion people = OMFG IT HAPPENS EVERY TIME!

[s0lid_snake_mgs4]

I thought everyone was asking for delayed wake up and now everyone is complaining. I personally think it’ll be fine, change is good for the game and the more it strays from the current meta the better. The game will become more footsie orientated now too and I thought people wanted that.

[Cathrao]

I thought everyone was asking for delayed wake up and now everyone is complaining…

That’s been happening ever since the dawn of time. People don’t always make their praise heard, but they sure try hard to complain whenever possible. It’s in our nature. Those who wanted the delayed wake up are happily quiet :3

[melflomil]

I thought everyone was asking for delayed wake up and now everyone is complaining. I personally think it’ll be fine, change is good for the game and the more it strays from the current meta the better. The game will become more footsie orientated now too and I thought people wanted that.

People do want it more footsie based but at the same time want to maintain pressure when they get a knockdown. So…yeah…

I see it as getting another chance if you mess up. The better player will always prevail.

[blufang]

Wish that were true, but SF4 has a bunch of mechanics to allow the worse player to prevail. It happens far more than in any fighting game I’ve ever played.

[Saitsu]

Wish that were true, but SF4 has a bunch of mechanics to allow the worse player to prevail. It happens far more than in any fighting game I’ve ever played.

And how many of those mechanics aren’t used better by superior players?

[Abra]

Wish that were true, but SF4 has a bunch of mechanics to allow the worse player to prevail. It happens far more than in any fighting game I’ve ever played.

This. I’m not the greatest but nothing is more frustrating than losing to someone you shouldn’t have because LOLULTRA. It isn’t bad for most characters but today I was playing a mediocre Makoto who won both rounds by doing her command grab then ultra. How is this fair, at all? Other characters have easy ultras to pull off, like sakrua/rufus/balrog, but a god damn command grab to ultra? Really capcom… I was pretty salty, not going to lie, so I sent a message pretty much saying how he only won because of how easy it is to land and his response was “it balances her out.”
-_-

[mowr]

3rd ist the greatest SF of all time

3S sucks donkey dick.

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

Wish that were true, but SF4 has a bunch of mechanics to allow the worse player to prevail. It happens far more than in any fighting game I’ve ever played.

This. I’m not the greatest but nothing is more frustrating than losing to someone you shouldn’t have because LOLULTRA. It isn’t bad for most characters but today I was playing a mediocre Makoto who won both rounds by doing her command grab then ultra. How is this fair, at all? Other characters have easy ultras to pull off, like sakrua/rufus/balrog, but a god damn command grab to ultra? Really capcom… I was pretty salty, not going to lie, so I sent a message pretty much saying how he only won because of how easy it is to land and his response was “it balances her out.”
-_-

If you play against someone who keeps grabbing you every chance they get, you should stay out of grab range. Normally I’d say you should learn how to tech, but you can’t tech a command grab. I can’t wait for the guy you sent the message to, to post it in the scrubquotes thread.

[Norieaga]

@Saitsu I think both you and @blufang have valid points. A simple reality check can be done by playing KOF 13, which has a rock-solid engine and isn’t forgiving at all. I don’t think a mashed reversal of mine has ever come out on wake-up in that game, lol. I know *technically * an opponent shouldn’t be able to LOLULTRA in AE if your strings have no gaps, but I swear it feels really inconsistent at times. And the focus attack is much more forgiving in use than, say, the parry in 3S. I think there’s a huge difference in risk-reward between the two. I have the footsies to play 3S but I SUCK at it because I can’t time a parry for shit. And half the time I’m afraid to try because I’ll eat a poke. Its nuts.

SF4 is the most “noob-friendly” fighter I’ve ever played. Which can be both good and bad.

[Oilforthewin]

Wish that were true, but SF4 has a bunch of mechanics to allow the worse player to prevail. It happens far more than in any fighting game I’ve ever played.

This. I’m not the greatest but nothing is more frustrating than losing to someone you shouldn’t have because LOLULTRA. It isn’t bad for most characters but today I was playing a mediocre Makoto who won both rounds by doing her command grab then ultra. How is this fair, at all? Other characters have easy ultras to pull off, like sakrua/rufus/balrog, but a god damn command grab to ultra? Really capcom… I was pretty salty, not going to lie, so I sent a message pretty much saying how he only won because of how easy it is to land and his response was “it balances her out.”
-_-

A whiffed command grab = punishable as fuck(47f recovery for Karakusa). Also a command grab is actually a very risky move, which can be avoided through staying outside of throw range or in this case jumping. Makoto is walking very slow, so for getting into this position(The grab range is even lower than Chun Li´s regular throw) and using the grab, she should get some reward(If you ask me) for taking the risks. A wrong guess means for her being put into a bad situation. How is her wakeup game vs Gouki btw?

Assuming that you are playing Gouki, he has only 850 health. In other words fighting against a hard hitter means, he will simply suffer more, if he is hit by something. When Makoto gets in, she can turn the fight very quickly in her favour, if she gets momentum it can turn into a squash match.

[LockM]

So, when you want to chip someone with say a EX DP, you have to be really sure that it will hit them as it was mentioned you cannot discern between a normal and a delayed wakeup apparantely(which is bs)

[s0lid_snake_mgs4]

Wish that were true, but SF4 has a bunch of mechanics to allow the worse player to prevail. It happens far more than in any fighting game I’ve ever played.

This. I’m not the greatest but nothing is more frustrating than losing to someone you shouldn’t have because LOLULTRA. It isn’t bad for most characters but today I was playing a mediocre Makoto who won both rounds by doing her command grab then ultra. How is this fair, at all? Other characters have easy ultras to pull off, like sakrua/rufus/balrog, but a god damn command grab to ultra? Really capcom… I was pretty salty, not going to lie, so I sent a message pretty much saying how he only won because of how easy it is to land and his response was “it balances her out.”
-_-

A whiffed command grab = punishable as fuck(47f recovery for Karakusa). Also a command grab is actually a very risky move, which can be avoided through staying outside of throw range or in this case jumping. Makoto is walking very slow, so for getting into this position(The grab range is even lower than Chun Li´s regular throw) and using the grab, she should get some reward(If you ask me) for taking the risks. A wrong guess means for her being put into a bad situation. How is her wakeup game vs Gouki btw?

Assuming that you are playing Gouki, he has only 850 health. In other words fighting against a hard hitter means, he will simply suffer more, if he is hit by something. When Makoto gets in, she can turn the fight very quickly in her favour.

Makoto’s don’t walk and use command grab. When they are losing they just do random dashes and command grab you and if you’re not jumping like crazy to avoid it you’re going to get grabbed. Punishing command grab isn’t actually as easy as you say, it depends on positioning. If you jump back depending on your character you can’t punish it, but if you neutral jump you can but that’s a 50/50 in itself since if the Mak is good they can punish you neutral jump.