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-Hugo can Combo 5-6 Claps(452 dmg) and Yeah Back breaker scales more after super -_-
-Cody Moves about the same as ryu but im thinking its just his animation and his backdash has more range about the same as rose or something (guessing)
-someone asked if Juri can do Jump back divekick and the answer is no

cody’s backdash the same as rose ? woah!
they should’ve buffed other stuff other than giving him that one thing :confused:

Same range doesn’t mean same backdash, I don’t play cody but I don’t remember his being that good.

Let our mighty cody lord Eternal shine light upon this with his infinite knowledge.

I’ll try and help break this down, I’m not a Cody player though so take what I say with a large grain of salt.

Rose’s Backdash has a total frame count of 22 and travels 12.0 training room squares.
Cody’s Backdash has a total frame count of 26 and travels 7.5 training room squares.
So if Cody’s Backdash now goes the same distance as rose that’s a huge buff in terms of distance.

However as stated by m0mo same range =/= same backdash, in AE v.2012 Cody’s backdash is one of the worst in the game, in addition to having a higher total frame count than Rose’s backdash it also has significantly less airborne frames (only 5 vs Rose’s 10) and far more grounded frames (13 vs Rose’s 4) meaning it’s much easier to punish.

Try Dudley’s Ultra 1 on E.Ryu’s LK Axe kick on block.

Cody having a backdash buff like that is amazing

Cody having Rose backdash woul put him mid high tier IMO

is that suppose to hit? cause it doesnt

I just looked at the frame data, that shouldn’t be punishable by Dud’s Ultra 1. It’s a 8f start up and Evil Ryu’s LK axe kick is -7 on block. I would probably ask you to check if it’s safer but it’s probably not. But if you could, can you try Evil Ryu’s hop kick > EX tatsu on Cody and balrog at point blank? Those are the only two characters that Evil Ryu doesn’t get full hits against when using that move. One other thing is his fake cross up. Can you use the target combo and immediately do a jump forward HK against Ryu in the corner and see if you have to block it like Evil Ryu’s in front of you instead of behind. Appreciate it if you can test those two out.

Yeah, I’m gonna have to see video evidence of Cody’s back dash before I call that buff claim legit lol.

Cody’s backdash has a ton of issues. The 26F frame count isn’t TOO bad on it’s own, it’s on the slow end but not bad. The issue’s are that 7.5 is very short (several characters have this distance though), he has the 2nd longest grounded recovery in the game meaning he rarely gets air reset during a back dash. His focus attack shifts him far forward on startup, this means that performing a focus charge - backdash or EX FADC shortens his backdash TREMENDOUSLY. His back dash goes from 7.5 to 5.6 if you do a FADC as fast as possible. If you karaed into the focus attack using sMK then it’s shortened even more down to 4.25 (common occurrence due to the fact Focus is MP+MK and it’s easy to hit one button 1F sooner than the other unintentionally).

If they gave him Rose’s backdash they’d need to basically completely rework how it functions. It’d need to move farther, recover faster, and be airborne for a much longer period of time.

Now if they DID give him Rose’s backdash, and buffed his walk speed up to just below Ryu then you can damn well bet he’d rocket up the tier list to probably just outside of top 10-15 area IMO. He’d still have some fundamental problems with his frame trap game due to lack of a low hit confirm or safe way to deal with both delayed tech/stand tech but he’d be one of the best footsie and baiting characters around with his high damage conversions and whiff punish options.

You said last time Dudley’s Ultra appeared to move faster I wanted to see if they changed the start up. I normally use fs.MP > LK Axe kick and was wondering if I could get Ultra punished now. Since you said it doesn’t work I feel better now. Thanks :slight_smile:

I know. He plays Dudley and wanted to see if this changed in Ultra.

Guys I didnt mean its As good as Rose but He moves Further back than his AE2012 backdash lol sorry eternal

Any changes you see about Guile and DeeJay? besides the already known ones.

Ah, well that was one of the changes he got in USF4 arcade version, they upped his distance traveled by aprox 10%. Not much but it’s better.

So Dawgtanian didn’t really lie to Eternal about Cody receiving a walk speed buff. He also told someone Ken’s EX air tatsu was only going to change so he can’t escape with it and they did change it back.

What else did Dawgtanian say? :stuck_out_tongue:

Guile still has 950 and ultra 1 is still the same and i dont know anything about deejay to notice a difference

Thanks Mr.PaVy-RD, appreciated.

We know if Ken kept the cr.mk buff?

That was changed? I thought his cr.HK was changed to -8 on block

The problem is all we’ve had confirmed (as in, actual video as opposed to “lol, Idk, maybe”) is that he has the EX Tatsu crossup back and can FADC the FP SRK on the 2nd hit on block. But yeah, I’d like to know how his sweep is now as well