Ultra street fighter 4 gen changes

street11 · March 23, 2014, 2:13am

I’ll play Xrd too. I’m currently into +R as well, and GG was actually the main reason I went to SCR. I had only a few hours of AE practice since weeks before SCR so I couldn’t believe I got out of pools haha

But yeah, it looks like GG might be my main game as well. So we look forward to @yeb @housecnb @west and @warriorBySand

ugo_2u · March 23, 2014, 3:27am

Lmao! I see what you did there bro! Lol!

koufdell · March 23, 2014, 3:36pm

guess what me too i’m on +R and waiting for xrd conincidence ??? i don’t think so …

Housecnb · March 24, 2014, 4:53am

lol Xrd is looking sweet indeed. Never played a Guilty Gear game seriously before but I’ll definetly give it a try this time. I’ll be amazed if I ever see some Venom footage from you guys.

But SF4 will remain my main game so hopefully Gen will remain worth of our dedication. Honestly I’m not too worried about Gen as much as I am about the game as a whole. Guile should probably be 8-2ing half the cast by now.

street11 · March 24, 2014, 8:37pm

The way Gen is played will most likely go back to AE, when there was no vortex from HK Gekiro, and there will be a LOT of chipping game from roll I believe. Forward throw has a mighty long knockdown time so you can actually react to delayed wake-up message and whiff st.LP to carry on with your setup.

Housecnb · March 25, 2014, 7:29am

I don’t think you can react to the message and still do a jump setup. The message comes out pretty late. Did you tried it?
0 on block roll is sweet, but it still requires a lot of charging, and Gen is just so bad at down backing, I don’t know if we’ll get many chances to use this move.

Also, did anyone tried his supposedly nerfed focus attack? Now that could be a big nerf if it’s final.

street11 · March 25, 2014, 7:54am

If you do the “safe jump” setup (forward throw -> dash forward -> Mantis st.MP -> walk forward a few frames -> Mantis j.MK), the message shows up as you whiff Mantis st.MP. If you pay attention you can actually react to it and walk a few frames, whiff mantis st.LP, mantis j.MK instead of just walk and j.MK. At least that’s what I felt when I was doing the tests.

His mantis focus attack still hits absurdly far with kara, but you do have to readjust your max range.

Housecnb · March 25, 2014, 8:48am

Yeah with Kara it still should be good… still I wonder how much range he actually lost. That image Eternal showed earlier today still scares the crap out of me.

Nice find on the anti delayed wakeup tech. =)

street11 · March 30, 2014, 8:56pm

A bit late reply, but you can kinda see how much range you lost if you look at Xian VS Valmaster. I think it was in the first match when Gen focused Chun’s far st.MP and whiffed the focus. Pre-Ultra it should’ve hit her.

ugo_2u · March 31, 2014, 12:02pm

capcom and knee jerk nerfs.

street11 · March 31, 2014, 7:15pm

Here’s the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP4yaWoxag4

@1:03 the focus whiff

I realized that the range nerf is longer than I originally thought.

Housecnb · March 31, 2014, 7:30pm

Thanks for the vid.
Holy crap, that nerf is scary… Way too much range lost. I’m ok for nerfing his oki, but nerfing his neutral game like this, why?

ugo_2u · April 2, 2014, 2:09am

yeah. that’s what happens when you bother sharing tech

ugo_2u · April 3, 2014, 5:16am

so now we have to rely o standing combo enders llol. so ending a combo with a roll is the in thing. although i find red focus fadc u1 as a pontential deadly tool

Dragonfave723 · April 10, 2014, 9:25pm

Final changes (via SRK):

Stun increased from 900 to 950
1F invincibility time on neutral wake-up removed

Mantis Style

Close Standing HP stun distribution changed from 100*100 to 150*50
Focus Attack hitbox size reduced to position of hurtbox
L, M and H Hyakurenko hitbox slightly expanded downward; recovery increased by 1F
L, M and EX Hyakurenko pushback on hit and block slightly reduced
H Gekiro causes soft knockdown instead of hard knockdown; button input timing now the same as Ver.2012 EX Gekiro
EX Gekiro changed from -35 to -20 on block; now causes hard knockdown; follow-up inputs no longer possible on block; Button input timing now the same as Ver.2012 H Gekiro
Zan’ei (Super Combo) now easier to use in air combos
Shitenketsu (UC2) hitbox slightly expanded forward; stun increased to 600

Crane Style

Crouching LP changed from +3 to +5 on hit
Crouching HP floats the opponent higher on counter-hit
Crouching HK recovery reduced from 29F to 24F
Diagonal Jump HP hurtbox expanded downward
Diagonal Jump HK hurtbox expanded downward
L and M Jyasen changed from +3 to ±0 on block
All versions of Jyasen last hit damage increased by 10
Oga hitbox slightly reduced

Housecnb · April 10, 2014, 9:53pm

That Zan’ei note is new, right?
And quite ambiguous too. I wonder if it has the same juggle properties of Crane Super now.

RIP Focus Attack, we’ll miss you.

ugo_2u · April 10, 2014, 9:58pm

Final Changes for Gen, I cry and laugh at the same time

Mantis

Fixed a problem where he would have 1 frame of invincibility during wakeup. Fixed an issue where it was hard to do his focus attack on wakeup as a reversal.
Now has 950 stun instead of 900.
Close standing heavy punch now does 150+50 damage instead of 100+100.
Hurtbox on all of his focus attacks decreased.
Light, Medium and Heavy Hyakurenko have a larger downwards hitbox. Now have 1 frame more recovery.
Light and Medium Hyakurenko pushback on hit and block reduced.
EX Hyakurenko pushback on hit and block reduced.
Heavy Gekiro now gives soft knockdown. The button timing on his followup is now the same as his EX version was in AE v2012.
EX Gekiro is now -20 frames on block instead of -35. Now gives hard knockdown. Can no longer do followup if blocked. Timing on his followup has been changed to the same as his Heavy version was in AE v2012.
Zetsuei can now be combo’d into against airborne opponents.
Shitenketsu hitbox has been slightly increased forward. Now does 600 stun.

Crane

Fixed a problem where he would have 1 frame of invincibility during wakeup. Fixed an issue where it was hard to do his focus attack on wakeup as a reversal.
Now has 950 stun instead of 900.
Crouching light punch is now +5 on hit instead of +3.
Crouching heavy punch now sends opponents higher on counterhit.
Crouching heavy kick now has 24 frames of recovery instead of 29.
Angled jump heavy punch hurtbox increased downwards.
Angled jump heavy kick hurtbox increased downwards.
Light and Medium Jyasen are now ±0 frames on block instead of -3.
Light, Medium, Heavy and EX Jasen now have 10 more damage on their last hit.
Teiga hitbox slightly reduced.

street11 · April 10, 2014, 10:02pm

@Housecnb‌

I checked the Japanese note. It translates into:
Can be included in airborne combos

There’s also this note in Japanese one:
Wake-up: Fixed the issue in which it was difficult to do reversal focus on wake-up.

As I said before, according to a test from a Japanese player, Gen was THE only one who didn’t have reversal window for wake-up focus attack (the other characters all have 3~4f window for it) so it was hard for him to do wake-up focus backdash. He will be able to do it just fine.

Housecnb · April 10, 2014, 10:51pm

Thank you. =)

So, those are some pretty good changes. Wakeup parry shoud become a bit more viable, I guess.
USFIV Gen is so weird right now, som many solid buffs, so many harsh nerfs.

mooken · April 10, 2014, 11:24pm

Sadly, not seeing much in terms of buffs.

Dudley gets nothing but buffs – the decent buffs for Gen are safer rolling balls and cr.lp > cr.lk can lead to a hitconfirmable oga setup.

The EventHubs translation notes made a mistake – Zan’ei gets the juggle buff, not Zetsuei. Also, cl.hp is 150+50 stun, not 150+50 dmg.

Mashable HK waterfall kicks will be very odd.

I still want to use Gen, but so much of Gen’s game is based on wake-up crossups. Will be very different now.