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Somebody twitted Xian about the U2 but Iām pretty sure he knew about that glitch already.
Eventscrubs posters are probably going to start whining about that almost insignificant glitch while completely
overlooking the fact that Gen got the nerf bat stick harder than any other character in USF4.
Thatās right. Although Iām looking at other options that give more stun now. Think that will have a larger focus on what I do after a RFC.
you can go for cr mpxxhp jaysen for max stun , damage still close ā¦by the way i really like your approche going for ex gekiro and i am actually working on heavy stun combos using U2 as an ender so for example if you get a jumpin hp>mp>TC2>exgekiro then the mixup leads to stun with full U2 like :
crlk crlp TC2 ex hands U2 1000 stun
or jmk(mantis or crane) TC2 > mp/ex hands> U2 1050 stun ( stuns abel for example)
and you get a free combo which is scaled but still good as you get the grey damage of the U2
very impratical setup is : j hp >mp>TC2>lk gekiro 4 hits ==(Quickstand)==> oga>U2 =(stun on ryu)=>jHP>super>HK gekiro ===>ryu is dead
so super and full ultra can kill a 1000 hp character (most epic comeback scenario ever!!!)
give me your thoughts and again well done on yoou tournament 2nd is quite impressive as i looked back to it
Just ignore Gen in grand finals. And the 2 Genās that got far at seam. It was all the players because Gen got the nerf bat, and is now unplayable low tier.
Gen should keep the U2 stuff because itās fair and gives a real use to the ultra. Not because heās LOL low tier. Heās viable either way but stop with the low tier persecution complex already. We are a month in now.
Either drop him and watch all the people continue their success or play him and figure out how to adapt
Nobody is saying that tho. Ppl are still saying he got nerfed (which is true imho), but itās been a while since I saw someone saying Gen is the unplayable low tier in this thread. Theyāre not equal. Also, you told us to either drop him or adapt to him, but you have to understand that other players didnāt adapt to fight Gen either (example: lack of punishes on ceiling Ogas). I think weāve adapted or are adapting to fight with this character, but I honestly do not know what would happen if other players adapted to fight against him. Remember Rolento when ppl didnāt/donāt know how to punish roll on block or punish EX Wall Jump when he first came out in consoles? I think Gen is still much better than Rolento (I tried out both) but you get the idea.
Nowadays weāre simply discussing stuff rather than questioning his viability, which is visible at the very last page of this thread.
Regarding U2ā¦ well, letās face it. U2 stuff is a bug. Itāll most likely get fixed. It does not matter whether we ask for it or not because itās not an intended feature. If itās intended, then, well, they did the most bizarre way of putting it in the game, but kudos to the devs.
Who knows, they might combine the existing two and give us the new Mantis U2: always air juggles, always -10 on block, never loses to low profile slides. TBH I think this is the best realistic way to change this Ultra, since real damage thing is not going to happen.
I donāt recall anybody here saying that Gen is unplayable (on the contrary we have a lot of players that are sticking with him) but Iām tired of seeing complains even after Capcom listened to all the crap from players who have no idea about this character. Either learn the Gen matchup by now or GTFO.
I agree with street that itās unrealistic to hope for Capcom to leave this glitch alone but considering how near useless Shinteketsu was before this glitch was discovered they could at least live the AA properties.
Its like on literally every page. Gen got nerfed way too hard. Nerf hammer Gen. Gen nerfed harder than any character in the game.
Unplayable is obviously hyperbole but if he was so horribly butchered there probably wouldnāt be continued success. And that takes nothing away from the players. This isnāt a case of just one player any more either
All the complaining and negative vibes on this site as a whole are starting to get to me I think.
Well on a positive note, I think when I get ultra on disc ill probably enjoy his crane buffs, I used enjoy trolling cr.mp to roll online in vanilla lol. With the cr.lp buff itāll work out even better.
Can u now jump from
Mantis stance and immediately do crane air ultra 2 with a stance change during the jump?
Yes you can, just plink KKK with any punch.
I hear you loud and clear bro. Thereās really no need to complain anymore, there are alot of characters in the game to use so having a second third or thirteenth pocket is a good idea. Character loyalty is bull and only leads to mindless complaints and stuff like that.
Yeah there is still success with Gen, I must admit that. Thank God for the lazy multitude that will never put in work to figure out Gen (I marvel at the amount of oga bullcrap I hit online)
EVO is here and I am sure Xian will use Gen and win it twice in a row. with three other Gen players in top 16
Incidentally, Iād really like to see stance switching (without activating an attack) in the air; itād enable empty jump lows off of the Crane jump arc. Too bad they decided to make PPP/KKK mid-air activate stance change through an attack instead. It just reduces our options. 
Gen already has that since vanilla sf4.
http://www.ssfranking.com/
in other news Amiyu drops to 9th place in rankings while Mago teleports to 3rd with Fei Long. I hope Amiyu is on break and not getting his ass blown out the water
alternate link
www.kyosuke.kun.free.fr/Ranking/jp
That 1st link to the list is very interesting(provided Iām looking at the right one). Daigo, Nemo, and Kazunoko are the top3ā¦but I donāt see their respective characters being represented until after 20 or so players.
I think the next Yun after Kaz is like 70 or somethingā¦and there arenāt a lot of Yunās there, who is supposed to be the best character. Hell, a few Poisons are there in the top 10.
Thereās even a Deejay in the top 100.
I didnāt see any other Genās outside of Amiyuā¦proving my point again. Itās the exceptional player, not the character, that makes people(and Capcom) believe Gen is a better character than he actually is.
Hence the nerfs. Sorry to keep harping on it, butā¦
But of course, Iām not going to stop playing Gen. I loved him since Alphaā¦not going to quit on him now no matter how much I complain.
And sorry if Iāve given off too many negative vibesā¦my rant on Genās nerfs ends here.
you may add yun and yang in there
You mean PPP in airborne crane used to activate stance change off of empty jumps?! I recalled it to just activate crane hp while switching stance on the ground (with the additional problem of having to time your ground attack for the stance change to take effect.
I think that without the damage nerf to mantis c.mp Xian would have beaten Snake Eyez.
Really interesting to see Sakoās Gen though; out of the characters he plays I would not have thought heād select Gen to fight Hawk.
And the superā¦
Xian lost to two Giefs. Gief confirmed for shitty matchup. Come at me ugo. Kappa
On a serious note it sucks that he lost that way against snake eyez. I actualy didnt see it live but i saw the heartbreak. I felt him not only as a gen player but as a person. Damn.
Either way he played realy well despite the nerfs, did he play any other noticable matches on stream? Also huge props to snake eyez, I already liked him but he just go a new fanboy and I dont even like gief. Damn.
Had Xian held on a second longer before doing that Ultra at the end, I think he would have won. Match was really good.
I absolutely hate Zangeifā¦but Sanke Eyez is just sooo awesome with him. His footsiesā¦damnā¦gotta give him respect. Since Xian is out, totally rooting for Snake or Sako at this point.