Throwing out H shots still begged to be eating a beam hyper also so…I wouldn’t say she’s losing too much there. Throwing out H shots against anyone with a fast/safe beam hyper is the last thing you wanna do any way.
The self assist is the thing people hated the most about having to fight 5 bar Phoenix and now 5 bar Phoenix won’t be blowing up people and stalling the match for thousands of seconds anymore so DP can just come the hell out. Once you get into DP mode feathers will still cover your teleports any way.
I think the bigger issue is that statement enrages you to begin with. It’s just a video game and sometimes people say shit about games. I’ve heard so much of shit like that about characters or entire fighting games in my time in the fighting game scene (half the people in my scene just kinda ragged on 3S as like a hobby) that it’s just been there done that. I personally wouldn’t want Zero to be nerfed into the ground but he certainly IMO doesn’t need anymore buffs than whatever he just got.
Any character with an air super that OTGs and has a reasonably fast startup (Akuma, Ryu, Taskmaster, etc.). Also possibly Dante is the properties of his air throw remain unchanged.
I’ve never been able to pull off AssMaster Legion Arrow x2 via X-Factor throughout the entire course of the time I’ve been playing him. Yet, I turn around and watch a stream of Taskmaster user #32893 and they pull it off like it’s $#&!ing easy.
Maybe I need to put some more ass into my AssMaster…
Anyone think ammy deserves to be nerfed as badly as she may have?
Reading that her air dash no longer allows you to block…ouch. Don’t know about anyone else but i voted for her and doom as most balanced in the game. Not only that but they may have taken air stance cancelling away
And i think she would benefit from air XF cancelling
She can still cancel with an :h:, and it only means she has to be more cautious against full screen hypers and parabolic projectiles like most of the cast does already.
You’re telling me Phoenix is gonna be ass because you’re gonna play her on day one on point and will probably get bodied. You’re telling me you don’t really play the character yet you feel like some slight changes are gonna make her ass, like they’re taking away her only tool like they did to Tron. How can I take you seriously?
I’ve seen Dark Phoenix UMVC footage. She still has feathers. She still has tods up the ass, she still has one of the fastest teleports. She still has her trap 50/50 mixup/trap keepaway. As long as she has that, she will still be very viable and very dominant in competitive play as long as you know where to put her(hint: not on point, hint 2: on a good team)
nerfing anything on phoenix makes it so that you exclusively see dark phoenix.
simply disabling the health regen on x-factor OR disabling dark phoenix xfactor and making feathers a level 3 exclusive to dark phoenix was all the balance she needed. If anything buffing normal phoenix and nerfing dark slightly was the smartest way to make both sides appealing.
If you thought she was herp derp before, prepare for no creative play what-so ever from her.
If she had any benefits from using her on point people would. Why work 5 times harder in a game where rushdown is king and your character shines at runaway and zoning, and the fact that one mistake and youre dead in half combo, when you could just DRK PHX RyESES x-factor and herp derp trap trap, bal bal teleport ball ball crouch Lx4387928
the salt on some of you guys should make you see, the new changes to the game (TAC -bar, morrigan fireball -bar{both of which if they are the killing hit would prevent dark phoenix}, PROJECTILE COUNTER BEAM {HELLO EVERY PHOENIX ATTACK}, teleports everywhere, super armor everywhere, red and strange, strider and his level 3 and lots more i didnt even see along with unrevealed characters) would have taken phoenix down, in her CURRENT form, now with losing air abilities AND health reduction, she dies to less than some day one abcs now, with all of the new problems as well.
whats done is done. It is not the end of the world for her, but she is locked into being a gimmick. you have to admit that.
NO ONE said dark phoenix became ass. Dark phoenix is and will be dark phoenix. its the phoenix, the character that currently sits idle in the 3rd slot because capcom failed to make the benefits of phoenix equal to or balenced with dark phoenix.
He no longer says “HE LOVES ME!!! INFERRRRRNOOOOO” which always made me think he had a gay lover that died in a funeral pyre but him and Skrull had a huge fight beforehand, then Skrull found a love letter written to him, and he was so touched by it that he jumped into the fire and said HE LOVES ME!!! INFERRRRNOOOOOOOOOOO
Skrull got buffs, but still confirmed for ass tier.
Canceling her airdash with an :H: is just not the same thing as being able to block. And not only that but like i said i thought it was perhaps the best balanced character in the game so why such a hefty nerf? Or why take away a buff that just mainly makes her alot more fun to play?
It’s not nearly that simple. I don’t think non-Ammy users realize what a gigantic nerf this is. This would be like taking away invincibility and autocorrect on Berserker Slash. No one would use it. Ammy’s airdash is so long and drawn out that ANY airdash would be easily reacted to and beaten out. Its one and only use would be for running away, but as a rushdown tool, it would be useless. Not only that, this destroys and left right mixup game that she has and makes her j.H option select a lot less useful. Reflector would become almost useless because it wouldn’t have nearly enough range to get in on an opponent. It would make certain matchups like Ryu 0-10 because she would basically have no way to approach at all.
Getting rid of her airdash basically gets rid of her rushdown. After that what does she have left, zoning? She doesn’t have nearly enough zoning options for that and has no way of keeping out anyone with a tracking teleport.
Anyways, overall, I don’t know what Capcom was thinking with this. This is a REALLY REALLY extreme nerf for a character who wasn’t proliferating with bullshit anyways.
So essentially, Amy has been dropped a tier because she’s no longer A Tier material in that she can apply non-stop pressure until someone cracks thanks to the fact that’s it’s actually risky now. Wow, just wow. Maybe now people will realize that she has different weapon stances that actually do somewhat useful things? Oh wait… Who am I kidding. That air dash + assist approach was just so damned easy that now having to think like Taskmaster and play your pokes off a whiff is just too much to bear.
I get the feeling I’m going to get backlash for comparing Taskmaster to Amy, but I bet you if I compared Chris Redfield or Hsien Ko to the God Dog, I’d get 10 times the chewing out even though they have to work a hell of a lot harder than the damned dog, even more than the UMvC3 version will have to.
You know she has to use airdash regardless of stance right? Lol@taskmaster being compared to ammy that way. There just might be a reason taskmaster is far more common than she is.
So it’s impossible even for you to avoid noticing what a stupid comparison that was? I like how you keep comparing ammy to zoning characters…wtf. I wonder why a zoning character would have to work harder to get in compared to a rushdown character…
And it’s not even as though she’s that bad a rushdown character. She doesn’t have braindead mixups or the retarded things that mags,dante,zero,dark phoenix have but at the same time she doesn’t have any clear bad matchups either.
She’s very very well balanced and i’d like to see every character in the game as competent as she is, she doesn’t even have anything abusive in Lvl3 XF and that says a ton so why such a strong nerf?
There’s a big difference between making something more risky and putting a giant HIT ME sign on it. Totally removing the ability to block from airdash basically makes it useful for nothing but getting up really high to run out XF and using it for a very short period of time after a hard knockdown. Outside of this, pretty much any airdash will equal a free punish. No shit, characters who have great zoning options have a harder time getting in than a rushdown character? Are Wolverines going to start complaining that they have no projectiles to zone? Ammy has zoning options, but they’re not good enough to keep anyone out aside from fatsos. Having low health is already putting her on the losing end of a chip war.