Unless I’m mistaken, Iron Man can’t XF cancel from beam into beam again outside of the corner with them linked by a repulsor blast.
He may be able to do anti-air to normal one, though. Not sure.
Gamma Tornado
L
Startup: 11 frames
Active: 2 frames
Recovery: 28 frames
M
Startup: 16 frames
Active: 2 frames
Recovery: 23 frames
H
Startup: 18 frames
Active: 2 frames
Recovery: 21 frames
There are some command throws in fighting games where you basically need to train your opponents behavior or catch them sleeping and then there are Hulk’s command throws where in order for them to work your opponent has to be actually dead or otherwise incapacitated so that they’re no longer pressing buttons or moving their characters around. Oh, and the range is ass too.
I see the gootecks and scumbag in you lol, why would someone call himself scumbag any way.
If iron man launcher is the same as magneto -4 in stead of -13 he will be a terror to deal with all though i think he’s double jump will be miss not as effective as deadpool or dante but, double jump makes iron man combos look great.
I have played a hulk player that has a nasty command throw set up, the guy plays hulk, morrigan (meter assist) and she hulk(low and otg assist) the team has weird synergy and nasty set up with hulk.
Bring It! I’ll make you Suck It and Eat Lead, then show you my One Two and Fire In The Hole. Take This You’re Finished.
Somewhat related: Chris punches boulders in RE5. If you want to get technical, I don’t see Hulk actually ‘Smashing’ anyone as opposed to just saying it waaaay too much. What’s his English at? Age 3?
it is awesome. when i see their assist come in i immediately x-factor into level 3. the lols.
Man that stick landed 2 inches away from a glass wall; I walked away damn lucky all things considered. The awkward silence following was broken by an amazing “IT’S MARVEL BABY” and I was instantly cheered up.
Still, I really need to stop 0-2’ing at tournaments I practice for while actually winning some matches in games I don’t care about.
(And what games would these, per se?)
No. Stop tempting me to use Arthur. I get my ass-kicked enough as it is, especially considering how apathetic I’ve become towards everything as of late.
Oh dear Odin. It’s only active for 2 frames and it can be ducked (by at least some characters) AND has that much recovery AND doesn’t lead to much from mid-screen, at least compared to the damage Hulk can otherwise do?
No wonder. I guess I’d feel bad for getting it by it constantly via the computer if the computer wasn’t a cheating bastard that reads most of your inputs.
Slow Fighter and Barlw. Don’t practice/play either anymore pretty much at all but I still enter when they are events at tournaments I’m going to anyway and I still do alright…I really wish I could win in games I cared about though.
DJ loathes fighting Hulk. He rode the Anti-Standing :h: train buff for several days. It was hilarious.
I’d like to see Hulk get another command throw.
The active frames aren’t the issue it’s the ass-tastic startup and recovery that’s going to get you murdered.
When I use Hulk’s command grab, I usually jump in front of them, wait a brief moment, then stick out a stand M (followed by w/e safe escape), after a while it trains your opponent to anticipate the quick, armored M and not mash w/e.
To be honest though, I only use it maybe twice or three times in an entire match, since the reward isn’t too great, and getting punished is pretty painful even for hulk.
Crouch blocking doesn’t stop Hulk’s grab so I dunno what crouch blocking has to do with anything.
You can’t really use Hulk’s grab to get a ton of damage without XF or DHC’s but a basic command grab mashed with gamma charge cancelled tsunami will do like 350k. Which if you already landed a successful combo before hand that will pretty much end the character unless they have like Haggar or Thor health themselves.
I play against a Hulk in my local area that’s most likely better than Mike Ross’ so I definitely know what he’s capable of. He has a pretty solid 4 way mix up with his j.S that literally requires nothing but jumping forward and hitting S and has a strong double overhead or low game with j.H to j.S or c.L. Combined with his anti air to downwards gamma charge that keeps him in on advance guard and gives him heavy frame advantage he can definitely open you up eventually. Just like Sentinel all of his attacks lead to a heavy stun or ground bounce so if you land something you’ll have absolutely zero problem hit confirming into damage. If Hulk is backed up by a strong big hit box assist like lariat or iron man repulsor blast he gets a lot more opportunity to land hits safely.
He doesn’t even really need the command grab to open people up. His mix up and pressure without command grab is already better than Sent’s. He just needs an assist to lock people down. The s.H buff doesn’t really do much but make him less reliant on assists to stop offense. Just like Sentinel he’ll have to constantly be covering it’s whiff and block recovery into other shit and it will still be open to XF guard cancels.
He can do it easily without repulsor blast if he lands the anti air version from the 3 hit start up. Which basically means during your rushdown or while you’re blocking you can pop it out and if it hits XF guard cancel. You have to land the 3 frame start up of the anti air version which means you can’t really do it outside of an anti air or during rush down. If you do land it you don’t even have to cancel into another super. You can just dash forward after the XF cancel and mash S to launch them and put them in a XF TOD combo.
Iron Man is designed as a rushdown character primarily with some decent zoning techniques if he needs. Which means you’re not going to be landing proton cannon by itself much unless you’re using it to anti air or XF guard cancel to stop an offensive. You can’t just put that shit out there on the screen like Ryu’s or Dorm’s beam supers. The super will have less recovery in Ultimate so you’ll actually be able to use it more often for defense and chip by then. Right now characters like Dante can even teleport punish it on block.
thats an awesome story. i love salt. makes me all tingly inside when i can make someone salty… dont feel bad, just try to control it better.
-dime
(Took me a while to realize NovaForce was calling DevilJin “DJ”.)
All this talking about Hulk reminds me that I haven’t looked at the tier list still. I should may be do that now before I fall asleep or something.
Yeah, I’m not sure either, but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen/had it whiff right over (some) crouching characters despite the fact that they should otherwise have gotten grabbed. Unless I just barely out of range (like, by a pixel or polygon or whatever), I think it might miss people crouching for some reason. I guess I could test this, though, provided I have the energy sometime soonish.
Otherwise, good to know.
Yeah you might have been out of range because his command grab will grab a crouching Ammy or even X23 from like a 1/3 of the screen away. The L command grab has solid enough range at 11 frame start up which is good enough to catch anyone that has been sitting on crouch block for too long. As long as they’re not in block stun or in the air you should no problem grabbing them.
Being better at Hulk than Mike Ross isn’t an accomplishment. My Hulk is better than his.
He was the only Hulk I could think of other than maybe Airtola’s that has done anything on a stream (who I haven’t seen play in a while either). Haven’t seen any other names pick Hulk and do much and there weren’t any that got on stream at Evo outside of Noah’s. Hulk just has that unfortunate issue of not having anybody good realizing he’s any good.
Because he’s boring as hell to play. The health is fine, the protective normals are meh, the air play is like watching Seth Killian give commentary, and I could go on. There’s just no reason to play Hulk if you want to actually enjoy the game. I can understand if he’s a personal favorite, but if there’s nothing bonding a player to Hulk, then what ****ed up reason are they playing him for?
completely agreed, hulk is and has always been my favorite marvel character… but ive never used him in any marvel game cause… their design of him is just boring as shit. only thing about hulk that ive seen that seems fun is his AA gamma crush to downward angled crush… that looks fun… but meh.
also i can understand it if DJ has a problem with hulk… hulk generally smashes the shit out of pixie characters.
-dime
Well X23 specifically is going to die to him by Ultimate but that’s besides the point really. She’s the only pixie character on my team. Dante and Doom have better options for him any way so like typical Marvel one matchup is always covered by other characters.
I mean if the “boring” thing is the case then I dunno why people find Sentinel “fun” to play either. He’s more boring than Hulk IMO. He has almost nothing that made him good or interesting from MVC2. My friend definitely finds enough fun playing him on his She Hulk/Hulk/Haggar team muscles team. LOL.