Dammit, Dante’s drowning in Sodium over here. Does no one actually notice that Dante is on the losing end whenever FRAMES are involved? Or that he actually had LOW health compared to Wesker and Wolvie and She Hulk and everyone else who was either a derpy offensive or chalked full of options? I’m just going to ride out this salt storm for now and hope it all stops at the hammer. 850k would just be unnecessary nerfing territory. Man, I’m getting salty over people’s salt.
I also find it funny when people get mad at other characters because their character of choice is bad/under-equiped. It’s not Dante or Wesker or Wolverine’s fault Capcom treated Hsien-Ko like crap, it’s Capcom’s fault. Having salt over other characters buffs/nerfs just won’t get you anywhere.
On a positive note, I’m going to be picking up Hulk all over again because:
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[]Noah proved @ Evo how stupid people can be about dealing with Hulk. That in itself is an advantage (even if it will only last for a small period of time during the game’s release) that will help me along whilst I’m learning the character.
[]The extra armor is appealing. s.H is a dangerous tool all its own now, moreso than before. And it makes the opening of the match easier too.
[*]Hulk is strongest there is.
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I even main Dante and have salt for him. That’s how stupid he is. LOL.
8 frame s.L that covers half the screen and anti airs into full bnb’s with the same hit confirm whether they are on the ground or in the air? Ridiculous.
Teleport that’s impossible to get around with assist calls plus hysteric in front of the port? Ridiculous.
Wolverine only had 50k more health than Dante and IMO Dante beats Wolverine any way. She Hulk isn’t even good enough in comparison to Dante to make a big deal about the health difference. Anybody with big health in this version of the game dies to DHC glitch any way. “Oh damn She Hulk and Wesker have a lot of health…oh wait they’re not on a Phoenix team so I’ll just DHC glitch them down problem solved”. Wesker’s health is supposedly said to be down to like Vanilla Wolverine or Dante health and She Hulk needs at least 1.05 to 1.1 millionish health because she’s just a straight point man character that can’t scare you unless your character is garbage without assists.
Just because there are other characters who are arguably better than Dante in some respects does not mean he isn’t completely stupid. The only downside to Dante that people ever come up with is that some of his normals have slow startup. Big deal. Who cares how fast the startup is when they cover such an absurd amount of area? This is where Dante fanatics will go, ‘But Dante struggles if you pressure him!’ Yes, and this is where assists come in, or if you manage to ever shake them off, the Hammer will beat out pretty much any attempts at rushdown with the possible exception (totally off the top of my head here) of a Berserker Slash crossup, but hell, knowing Dante the Hammer’s hitbox probably extends behind him too. Besides, Dante players that are good at exploiting all the tools he has available will be able to keep most players out at a safe distance. Dante’s toolset allows him to have near complete control of the screen at all times, from pretty much any range, and thanks to his teleport, he can instantly close distance whenever he feels like it.
So yes, Dante isn’t a god and may not be the best character in the game, but he’s at bare minimum much above average at pretty much EVERYTHING. And yes, it is Capcom’s fault for making Dante’s design so good in comparison to say, Hsien-Ko, which is why I am excited to see her hopefully getting some much needed improvements this time around. If UMvC3 introduces us to a Dante who dies a little quicker and can’t combo for as long as he used to be able to, I’m sure we’ll all be able to cope somehow.
Finally, comparing Dante to Wesker or She-Hulk is absolutely laughable. They have enough tools to make them good (and in Wesker’s case, amazing) at what they do, but Dante has many, MANY more options than they do.
For the most part the bolded part is all I was arguing. The highlight of him as a character is his ultimate tool kit, and by extension, ultimate space control. But he does have legitimate flaws and they are being made accessible in UMvC3 once Hammer gets nerfed and hitboxes are shrunk. If it goes farther than that, nerfs are unnecessary and are only serving scrubs. I would prefer characters that are laughable be buffed then people’s salt be taken to serious. So seeing serious sodium is concerning. Dante should not have High Blood Pressure equivalent to Wolverine or Phoenix. He is great, but not yet that fucking broken. If people are looking at him that way, characters need more buffs to compete with him on their separate fronts.
Hammer beats berserker slash + tatsu so can’t do that either. Only thing that beats hammer is dash in crouch normals during the 5 recovery frames, waiting for him to whiff first then air throwing him to stuff the start up of another one or just put the mayor on your team. That’s bout it. It’s even good for shutting down tron assist. LOL.
Oh and yes hammer does have a hit box in the back (it’s basically an anti mix up move) and gives him heavy frame advantage when done low enough to the ground and hits overhead.
Well…it’s more like he’s getting simple and harder at the same time. His style cancels/rekkas (qcf button then qcf button again) are easier to do now of course. Which means people that still complain about his j.S now have something completely worse to fear now that average joe can mash out hammer with easier execution. Some people don’t even know what hammer is still and still act like j.S is his god shit. Now that everyone’s gonna be able to mash out hammer LOL. The invincibility supposedly got nerfed on it but I doubt it’s more than like 5 or 7 frame nerf.
Everything else about Dante IMO will require more work though. Like he won’t be one of the only characters in the game that has a L, M, H bnb that works regardless of if you’re in the air or in the ground from a height that most other characters have to air throw you at. Basically no matter whether you are on the ground from half screen away or at nearly full regular jump height he can do the same bnb and confirm into a 500k combo off a move that has 8 frame start up. It’s one thing with Hulk or Sentinel because armor normals tend to have slow 13 plus frame start up that you really shouldn’t be pressing buttons against.
Dante’s s.L is one frame slower than She Hulk’s c.L and covers half the screen and is basically an invincible normal. Now if you’re trying to anti air someone with s.L you can’t convert it into combos as easily since the s.H hit box got nerfed. I’m not really sure how Dante players are really going to accommodate for that since that was pretty go to but probably just have to learn to use one of his gun cancels or something to pop them up. It’s not that big of a deal though. It’s just force people to learn to use his special moves like hysteric and crystal with good assist to lock people down first rather than just swing swords from half way across the screen.
Supposedly his OTG time off of hammer is shorter also.
I think Dante has to be good at everything, or else there would be complaints about him not staying true to his home series. Or something. I’m probably wrong.
As for Hulk’s new s.:h:, I’m sure it’ll be good for creating mindgames, but shouldn’t he be getting some tools/a tool to help him get in better over that? I don’t use Hulk, but it seems like the 3-armor s.:h: isn’t solving his actual problems, despite it being a very welcome addition to his toolset. Correct me if I’m wrong, though; I’m always open to more Hulk knowledge.
Yeah Dante is supposed to be a jack of all trades type character it’s just the main issue is that there’s a lot of things he does completely better than the other cast to the point where there’s like no reason not to use him. Originally I decided not to pick him up even though I was waiting for Dante to be in Marvel for like about 9 years but I heard he was too hard to play and had 40 special moves. Then when I played him and figured you could pretty much buckle it down to 4 or 5 moves plus an assist and learn a few combos, had invincible sword normals and the fucking hammer…I knew I should have just picked him from day one.
I’m looking forward to it. While not exactly hard, the way style cancels are done now are just really off putting to me. I’ll use Dante a lot more often when it’s just double button input instead of doubling the entire input. Still doesn’t help with the area I currently really suck with Dante, which is simply trying to remember an entire combo.
People should be complaining about Wesker’s health nerf for the same reason then. Hell, I do, just not on the internet.
Focus attack gives hammer a terrible day, so do dramatically long lasting things like Drones/hidden missiles. Luckily barely anyone knows how to use Viper to blow up Dante, and Dante has tons of ways of dealing with missiles/drones.
To be honest, if Vergil keeps his samurai-esque quick draw style he’d be the only gay white haired sword wielding douche I’d try out. I MAY try Dante, but I just can’t get into his playstyle which is odd considering I play Litchi in Blazblue. :x
Dante getting double-tap to cancel just means it becomes easier for people with bad executions (like me!) to play him. One of the things that soured me off of Dante was that his style cancels weren’t all performed the same way. Normalizing that across the board will definitely help for those seeking to pick him up come UMvC3.
I’m stoked that every character will have a mash-able move w00t!
No excuse not to win!
Well, I hate
she-hulk
Trish
Wesker
Tron
Iron-man (civil war salt mine… I do like his suit and the bitches he has banged… and his taste in liquor)
Taskmaster–fucking OP stupid, hey, Im not even as evil as Dr.Doom but I can stomp him out and my supers do More DMG than Deadpool, ps, I Shoot Arrows!
dont get me wrong, the roster is starting to growing on me. i just feel like every character that was in mvc2 should also be in 3 with the addiction to all the new ones they added. i dont care if serve bot was completely useless he needs to return. just my 2 cents
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