hmmm very interesting. I’m not sure what you meant by the “go to a different arcade” part, sounds kinda mean towards me…but I see what you’re saying about the punishing of mistakes mike always does. You would rather he keep making the same mistakes so it’s easier to beat him…right? Or did I misunderstand…
I dunno how much I still like “exhibition mode” when playing people who aren’t that good…and I agree, mike doesn’t do much in terms of helping himself out, since he pretty much asks any kind of question, no matter how obvious…I’m sure allen has a few examples…but I mean, I try to tell him stuff. He used to always start a round with jump-back air-fireball, and I would always roll twice and punish. I did this like 5 times in a row…he stopped doing this once I told him “you shouldn’t do it.” Yeah, he’s kinda slow, but I see the difference between you and me as you being fine with capitalizing on his repetitive mistakes, and me trying to get him to stop doing retarded patterns.
I played against that one guy who uses Guile today…and he got a lot better in terms of pressuring and stuff. I found that to be more fun to play against compared to the experiences I had playing against him when he wasn’t as good.
Ya I agree. I don’t really like to go out of my way to take the initiative because I’m not so sure how much the other person wants to learn. I could teach or explain stuff but who knows. Maybe they’ll quit sooner or later or even not get it at all. That would make all the effort on my part go to waste. But if they have questions, I won’t mind answering.
Most of it if not all, depends on the person that wants to get better. I know I’m far from being the best player out there so what right do I have telling people consistently what they should or shouldn’t do? I have my own set of weaknesses that I need to work on and it doesn’t take someone else to tell them what they are to me. If they do, then I’d still gladly listen to them. However even with advice, it still takes a lot on that person’s part to work on that piece of advice and improve.
go to a different arcade means that in order to get varied competition, the best result comes from playing different people, shit i went to camalot today and played a game of cvs2 against alex v, i didnt sit around the zz and try and change someone else’s style. My comment was not supposed to be an insult, its just simply the best way to play against different styles.
Punishing his retarded mistakes/patterns IS TEACHING HIM, its showing him that the shit he does IS NOT SAFE. If he cant figure to NOT do somthing that is easily punished, then what makes you think you can tell him a new trick and have him even begin to incorporate it into his game? Frankly, i dont give a flying fuck about his play because he is not going to help me get better, GOOD PLAYERS help you get better, not scrubs.
your match against xenotiger isn’t d/ling. it says page cannot be found
i help people all the time, as long as they care more about learning than winning.
i used to help the serial wax killer a lot. cuz he seemed like he wanted to learn more than to win. however it’s an exception for him. he wants to learn my tactics, directly from me, and never evolve from my tactic but rather make himself play worse by turtling and never making use of clutch opportunity. he’ll wait you out the WHOLE game until he sees you whiff tigeruppercut. face it, it won’t matter how many tips and pointers you give him…he wont’ get better unless you live with him, feed him, spank him, take care of him like **you’re his dad.
it doesn’t come from losing to him occasionally. it came from him asking me for help and taking advantage of the fact that i’m the only who was nice enough to respond to him. he invited me to lunch once, and sometime on the way there, he said hey let’s talk abotu cvs2. i remember when he used to really suck, but he’s gotten somewhat better over the year…however recently i stopped talking to him completely and i haven’t seen one bit of improvement. why help him if he’s not gonna get better on his own? he’s already got the jumpstart(tips and advice). dentron is right…he’s not gonna go to other arcades. i have not seen him use characters outside of kyo, rock, cammy, sagat, blanka, geese, N-iori.
-he’s been playing geese ever since the david was still playing.
-he’s been playing sagat ever since he watched eugene play sagat.
-he stopped playing blanka cuz he can’t rc electricity and no one plays a good blanka outside of that(so he can’t steal anything useful),
-he used to use C-kyo back when doug used C-kyo often, but then he stopped using kyo for a long long while…until…i started using P/K-kyo, then all of a sudden, he used K-kyo…out of the blue!! I DID NOT SEE THIS COMING. i think he stopped using kyo after he stopped using his head and only did blockstrings instead of mixing up with throws/counterhits(this was shortly after i stopped using kyo)
-he uses K-rock. i wonder where that came from.
-i never seen him use cammy till ike 3-5 days after i started using P-cammy in casuals.
-N-iori…the first day i came back i used N-iori and ocv’ed him. and dentron has been recently use N-iori. i dont’ think WAX will ever use iori against someone he knows he can’t beat easily. but i seen him use N-iori.
-i’ve seen him try to play A-sak/bison/kyo. but he has piss poor execution and gave up fast.
btw, the fact that he beats me occasionally just makes me a little more angry at him. usually i’m cool with someone again a few minutes after i’m mad at losing to them. i.e. Qwa ^_^. but that’s cuz Qwa is a cool guy. Even though i get mad at losing to qwa’s cvs2 game…i can’t stay mad at him cuz it’s only a game i dont’ wanna stay mad at a guy just cuz i lost. whenever i lose to qwa, and i get up kind of mad, he’ll say something to me…like “i’m sorry…” or “that shouldn’t have happened” and have this big smile on his face. when i lose to WAX …i’ll get up and he’ll be staring at the screen with a half sleep/angry/bored look in his eyes and his mouth still open.
thx for adding a few more reasons for why i CAN stay mad at him.
i’m sure he knows that i’m mad at him, but i bet if you tell him that i’m mad at him…he’ll say something like…“OOOH so that’s why he’s been like that…”
you just can’t help some people.
here’s a list of people who will improve very slowly if you dont’ spoon feed them shit.
-wax killer
-son of randy lew
-list will continue when i can think of more, but however everyone else i think of has at least some potential for imprvoement if they were to play more
here’s a list of people who will never get better no matter what:
-remy guy
-albino scrub#1 and #2
that’s it.
and HERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES FOR YOUR READING PLEASURE.
-i trade hits using kyo’s DP, and land super. after i lose to whoever i played, wax comes up and he says “how do you do that dp into super?”
-one time i was playing 3S and he says “what are the top tiers in this game?” and i said “ken, chunli,yun”. our convo ended there. jack comes in like 2-3 minutes after and wax asked jack “hey what are the top tiers in this game?”. he asked this RIGHT NEXT TO me too. jack responds with “i don’t know i dont’ play this game.”
-“what’s the timing for sagat’s super?”…i say “huh?” and he’s like “you know that combo you just did?” i say “it’s 2 frames…”
-after i do sagat’s s.jab, s.jab, c.fwd xx tiger cannon super, he asked “what’s sagat’s combo?”. [me]“weren’t you paying attention?”
-“what’s geese’s custom?”. [me] “fierce, fierce, fierce, jaiyenkens, raging storm.” [him] “i see…(pauses)…i see doug start it off with crouching medium kick”. [me]" i dunno dude, i dont’ use geese" why did he asked me how to do geese’s custom if he’s already seen doug do it.
-“hey you know that last hit you did on the ground(referring to kyo’s otg after super), how much damage does that do?” [me]:“i dunno”. and i seriously didn’t know…other that that small chunk of life that disappears when you do it. i would have told him that it does a small amount but i’m sure he SAW IT on the screen since he asked right after i did it.
-“how do you do that combo with sakura?” [referring to her bnb]
-“how do you do that combo with ken?” [his bnb]
-“what’s rock’s combo?”
-“what’s kyo’s combo?”
-“how do you do cammy’s combo?” [referring to s.fierrce, c.fwd xx super]
-“how do you do sakura’s custom?”
-“so ken’s custom is just hardkicks?”
-“how do you play iori?”
-“how do you play rock?”
-“what’s maki’s combo?”, and i said “s.fierce, punch move” is that her only combo?" [me]: “yes…” (yes…he did use maki once…since she doesn’t have anything abusable other than s.fwd, he gave up on her after 1 day)
here’s how he avoids unsafe shit. he blocks until one of his c.jab gets mashed out. and he’ll combo that into sweep and do crossup, c.jab, c.jab, sweep xx reppuken and cross you up until it’s not safe anymore then he’ll resort to blocking again while mashing on jab.
everytime i put a quarter in to play him, he’ll be like “NO…don’t play me, **you’re too good”…however when i’m playing, he’ll put in quarters to play me. so here’s a great big “fuck you, dick” to him for not making any god damn sense.
EDIT:
i fixed ‘your’ into ‘you’re’ because i know eliot will mention it to me if i don’t fix it.
EDITED AGAIN:
found another ‘your’ that should have been ‘you’re’…asterisk next to the mistakes eliot!!
I feel much the same way. I’m unsure whether the person wants to strive for self improvement or he’s just playing for something to do in his spare time. If he gets beat by some guy way better than him, then he probably won’t mind as long as it doesn’t happen all the time–unless, of course, he’s striving for self-improvement.
I’m hesitant to give advice unless I want to be given credit for something (narcissistic, I know), but seriously, on rare occasions when I do give advice, it’s either when I want to open their eyes to something that would seem obvious to a veteran or I personally WANT them to improve, regardless of their attitude. Thus, this happens rarely. I’ll answer questions, extrapolate a little, but most of my “teaching” is first-hand.
Like dentron, I feel the best way to teach them that they’re tactics are ineffective, obvious, or unsafe is by showing them directly. Reversing low forwards can get kind of iffy, since J-rock star thought my super was “random” (until I did it the third time), but things like reversing sweeps or simply blocking after knocking them down should be good enough instruction. After they fall for things like these five or however many times, I either determine that they’re casual players only and I tone it down a little, or, if they stay on the machine for a while, that they’re not interested enough in self-improvement to realize what’s going on and I need to get them off as quickly as possible so that they don’t beat some honest players with hella scrubby tactics. The logic behind this is that playing against people determined to win with scrub tactics force you to play differently and likewise teach you bad habits. Getting beat by sweep rushdowns, constant roll uppercuts or supers, or random button presses are not something you will see at high level.
here’s a couple more stuff to add to my previous post.
GREAT PHASES BY SERIAL WAX KILLER(AKA DJ MIX MASTER MIKE) ALL FUCKING PRO:
-so the whole match i avoid his roll super attempts, and i was in the process of OCV’ing his scrubby ass, when i corner him, he rolls, and my throw WHIFFS, and he does tiger genocide and kills maki. i yell out “OH MY FUCKING GOD~!” in frustration and mike turns to me and says “what happened?”
-so the end of the day this new guy plays me(he isn’t good either)…i’m using team BAS cuz i was trying to get a high score(2660gp kekeke). anyways, so i do combo exhibition on the guy with A-sak. i get him in the corner, and i do j.rh, s.fierce xx fireball(mp version), activate, s.rh, dpxN, super. after i beat the guy, mike, who was standing VERY VERY fucking close behind me, asks “yo allen, what did you start the custom with?” i was about to say “s.fierces, you fucking moron” but i realized that he phrased weirded so i said “oh, a fireball.” and he says “i see.” and our convo ends there…just like it always does.
so later i was talking with eliot and…
= i said "shit, more stuff to add to my srk post.
= eliot: “what did you start the custom with?” R00fie
= me: “LOL, serious, he looks like he’s paying full attention, why teh fuck does he need to ask me”
= eliot: “so you lied to him and said fireball”
= me: “what? no i didn’t.”
= eliot : “no dude, you did, you said fireball”
= me: “that’s not a lie, i did fireball, activate”
= eliot : “exactly, mike said what did you start the custom with. you started it with s.roundhouse.”
= me : “lol, i think he meant what did you do to combo into custom”
= eliot : “no, he asked for what you did during custom”
= me: “haha, you think he’s that stupid.”
= eliot: “yes he is…”
= me : giggling
I feel the same as dentron and ian: that helping people who really want to learn is great, since it adds to the level of competition at ZZ a lot. I dunno what the hell it was that Eliot told that Ryu/Oro guy who wears the shades, but, whatever it was, it’s helped that guy learn to play smarter, instead of just jumping and hoping to get a parry. His ryu is ass, but his oro’s not half bad. But, then, that guy’s there almost every time I visit, so i’m pretty sure he’s trying to get really good at the game. Then there are people like Ben who want to get better, but, just want to win and don’t really pay attention to what they’re doing so they get discouraged. I remember one time, Ben kept parrying low on wake up (which, he still does, but not as often), and one match i beat him silly by throwing him on wake up every time. He didn’t learn until someone said “STOP PARRYING LOW. HE’S GOING TO THROW YOU” to which he scoffed, then i threw him and a really loud “k.o.” echoed across ZZ. That made him see things a little more clearly.
I’m not sure if we have any crow copycats at 3s, at least, not anymore, however, it’s hard to tell if the people are really trying, or if they’re just trying to get a win or just laud from the crowd. The only person i can say has legitimately tried to get better is a toss up between Wes using Chun like AFM, or the guy who just started using Dudley that’s been trying over and over and over again to land the same combo. It looks stupid to the random scrubs, but, the more he does it, the better he gets at it, and thus, the better he gets in general. I’ve seen him realize really quick what combos put him in danger if they get blocked or miss a hit or don’t knock down, so he tries to adapt. His only problem is that he doesn’t know the matchups extensively, or Dudley’s exit plans extensively: in short, practice. So, I go to him and I tell him stuff, which i often don’t have to initiate since he asks me or JR or whomever has a competent dudley. I think that’s the kind of players that really dictate whether or not you should spend time trying to help.
That said, I still get mad a lot I’ve gotten mad at Wes’ playing style just 'cause it’s a fucking wall sometimes, though I never mean for the anger to be aimed at him, which is probably the impression I give. If you’re reading this, I apologize. I really meant it at the tourney when I said you should have entered, your Chun doesn’t whore low forward and you actually do shit other than walk back and forth then hit a random low forward.
I’m giving up on Yun, and going back to Dudley. Though I might have a weak will at times and just use Yun anyway, since, for whatever reason, he has an anti-scrub-tactics shield. I don’t know why it’s so easy for me to see the wake up supers, the luck normals into super with Yun than with Dudley. Oh well, must keep trying.
Oh, and Ian, your Akuma has great potential to be a beast. Don’t get discouraged and go back to ken, i really liked how you were mixing up all the stuff akuma had at his disposal. Yeah, he takes lots of effort, but, i think, it’s really worth it, especially if you learn on your own how to fight against the tougher match ups, since that, on its own, will set your akuma apart from everyone on the planet. JRs and Match’s akumas are radically different from yours, yet, yours does some really good shit. Keep going.
is mike the only guy left who uses geese? i got no problem with him. he seems like a cool guy. but since he was teaching GTU some cvs stuff loses him 10 points on my coolness factor.
on a side note, am i the only one who has noticed GTU likes to hump the machine or the air in front of the coin slot in between rounds/games?
i caLL BS!! ben ONLY PARRIES HIGH. taht’s why he eats c.fwd xx super whenever i’m chunli and he’s in the back down in the corner.
kaisingrz, i think you’re a cool guy and all, but imma have to give you -10 points on the coolness factor for NOT having a problem with serial wax killer.
on the topic of the side note(kekeke), here’s GTU’s pattern
Main():
char character;
int fucking_random;
infinite loop(character, fucking_random);
{
cout<< jump back roundhouse;
if (character == Athena);
then
{
cout<<fireball;
};
if (character == Vice);
then
{
cout<<whip slash
}
if ( character == yamazaki);
then
{
count << slash
}
cout<<walk foward
cout<<roll
fucking_random == Srand %2;
if (fucking_random == 1);
then
{
cout<< throw;
};
if (fucking_random == 2);
then
{
cout<<super;
};
if ( opponent’s or your life !=0)
then
{
goto infinite_loop(character, fucking_random);
}
}
cout<< wipe nose
cout<< put hands on lap
cout<< hump air until next round/game starts.
In terms of helping out people…occasionally I’ll tell them how to punish my Blanka Ball if they are unfamiliar with their character’s form of punishment…just little things here and there, but for the most part, unless I know them…I tend to not say much as well.
Hmmm that’s a very good point. It probably reflects on my own personality…I should stop trying to change his style, I guess…maybe you guys should invite me next time you guys go to camelot. allen. dentron.
It’s too bad; if anything, Mike is consistent, for lack of a better compliment…I beat him like 6 times in a row today, only to lose later cuz once again, I get interrupted by a cell phone…
I’ll hold onto this though: his style of play isn’t useless to fight against. I agree with some of the arguments in how playing against him causes you to “go down to his level” and develop bad habits, but consider this…after practicing all your fancy stuff, and getting nods from “good” players…you would think that your chances against someone like mike would be overwhelmingly in your favor. We have all recently lost a match or two to him…and usually it’s crap like falling for his RS or RU, which are things we need to be looking out for anyway. Lets face it, this stuff was done during EVO finals.
Anyway, that’s probably the last bit of Devil’s Advocate left in me in terms of defending mike. He annoyed me today by pestering my friend Art (pool champion) to let him use his Akuma. He does it with this distinct annoying mannerism that reminds me of the fobs back in san jose…yuck…
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i caLL BS!! ben ONLY PARRIES HIGH. taht’s why he eats c.fwd xx super whenever i’m chunli and he’s in the back down in the corner.
blah, i was hoping that no one would notice that i don’t know how to parry low yet… :sad: my wakeup strategy consists of three things - wakeup throw, high parry and blocking low…working on low parry - super as of now…
based on general 3s mixup patterns, people mix in a little high attack here and there, so i will get a few parries just by sheer probability
I mean…with makoto…you need to throw her like 6~8 times just to offset the damage she can do to u with one parry, that’s just how makoto is, you can get by just with scrubby tactics like that…blah i should play Akuma
yeah, that’s the asshole side of mike that holds consistent as well…
i’ll hold onto this thought: he sucks.
i figured out his whole gameplan already, cuz it’s so damn repetitive. and a very slow/boring/safe/limited variation of everything that’s been done at zot zone. take advantage of his piss poor execution and only worry about roll/super. once you see him roll/throw, just start throwing him a bit beofre you start blocking again, he’ll roll/dp…trust me…cuz he fucking did that to me…hella easy to bait out now. not only that, i had to TRY really hard in order to lose and go eat with dentron. in fact it was horrible…i would just RC ball against his sagat and he’d eat it like a bitch. the way i lost was i landed the custom(unintentionally cuz he’s stupid) and i fucked up on purpose and walked straight up to him and waited for him to do wake up super…guess what? BIG fucking surprised, he did wake up tiger raid. HERE’s the best part he looked like he was struggling with the execution. christ…wakeup fucking super…how hard is it…
his Geese is exactly as i explained it in an earlier post. after he does s.rh, either block or jump, since there’s a 90% chance he’ll do deadly rave.
his sagat consists of c.fierces, roll/dp, roll/throw(when you punish two roll/dp’s), when he has bar he’ll super after any roll. if all else fails he’ll sit in the corner getting gaurdcrushed…when his bar is near gone, he’ll start to jump in with roundhouse.
his rock sucks, no comment on how to beat it.
block his kyo blockstrings cuz doesn’t know how to tick throw
here’s the beginning of my “angel’s advocate” if there’s even such a thing:
i hate his attitude toward life and games and everything sweet.
on a side note, i do recall helping someone a lot. i’ve been talking to dentron about this game all the time…never hestating to tell dentron my tricks of the trade, my theories, my mixup, strategies for his and my characters, etc, etc…and guess what? never been pissed at him…i improved a hella of a lot cuz dentron improved a lot. jesus christ dentron learns fast…he’s raping me in 3s already.
you’ll never beat me in cvs2 dentron…NEVER…i’ll get those clutch moments and win EVerytimE. just like AT CGL!!! KEKEKEKEKEK
low probability against chunli though, since she can eith c.fwd, or s.rh xx superjump. :tup:
Exactly. However, it seems you try to parry high more often than block low, especially in the corner which is an extremely bad idea. I don’t keep records or anything, but when I go low the entire match it doesn’t seem like you can do much about it if you’re getting pushed back. Learn to parry low… or just fucking block low more often, wait for an opportunity, bait, punish. Don’t have a single-minded pursuit about what you’re going to do; be willing to re-examine your mixups and take a different direction if your attempts to get in keep getting predicted and jammed.
That and yun gives chun li trouble. I don’t think wes reads this thread, though. I may also appear angry at times but am not mad at him specifically, just at capcom for creating such a ridiculous character. On the nights paulee whores chun li it’s hard to get a round in edge-wise. Come to think of it, I am mad at him. And abel, and all the rest of you sell-out scrubs. I’m mad at everyone.
Well, Eliot, since we, for whatever reason, almost always end up doing shit that’s the polar opposite of each other:
I learned Dudley while you were learning Remy (this was before we even knew each other)
You’re using Yang while I used Yun
You prefer “innocent/hometown girl” white chicks, and I like “slutty” asian chicks
You decided to be born white (or jamaican…or whatever the fuck), I chose Mexican
so on so forth, SO…in keeping with that:
I love you all
No hate, just love. Gotta stop drinking all that hate-o-rade and instead switch to some "Kool"Aid. Ohh yeah.
I think I’m high or something. I just got out of a class where I thought I was going to have a test but the professor decided not to be a dick and postpone to next week, that, and I actually finished my labs on time so I have nothing to do for the next two hours or so, and that leads me to my next question:
What are you all doing later tonight? 3S?! GOOD. Call teh cellx0r after 5, which is when I should be out from fysux.
And there’s something I think I should tell you all before you all get the wrong impression about me. I know this is going to come as a shock to a lot of you, but
I LOVE ASIAN GIRLS.
edit: changed “like” to “love,” because I’m cool like that.
There’s a new Neo-Geo Game coming out, Neo Geo Colisseum Battle. It looks pretty good, even better than CFE; and Geese is in it. I’m happy happy happy.
Is Mike that guy that always uses Geese and Sagat, mainly in K-groove? He’s OK I guess but he still does the same stuff over and over again. He can get the c-LP, c-LP, c-MK -> Deadly Rave, but that’s like the only advanced thing he knows. He only uses characters that he’s watched other people used, never willing to venture for himself and find new characters to play with. Last time I saw him, he’s like trying to get the Raging Storm in and asking me how I do it; I told him the pretzel way and he gives me this blank stare.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
If Eliver wants, I’ll come back more often; Mike won’t be the only guy using Geese anymore…
paragraph 1: That was SOOO FUNNY, allen was just doing walk forward jab with blanka and mike was like OMG WAT I DO!!?!
paragraph 2: YOU DIDNT HELP SHIT!!! lol j/k, thanks for the blizzblanka tips, gotta keep it FUNKY FRESH!
paragraph 3: youre an asshole and i so had you. lol, NOW I KNOW TO ALPHA COUNTER THAT SHIT DOWN!!! and what about tonight, i HELLA BEAT YOU IN THE CLUTCH!!..(once) hehe ggz
john: art beat me the other day, i cant remember what i was doing but he seems like a nice guy, just needs to decrease his wakeup dp count.
OMG EVERYONE TEACH ME 3S!!! i wanna be best ken @ irvine!!!
Well, Dumbtron, I can see why you don’t play dota anymore. It has a sound-enough concept, but sucks in practice.
The game only goes “well” in certain situations. All of which happen during abel’s hosts. Actually, there was one time (or two) where we lost a game with the crew, but that’s beside the point. The problem is that in this particular situation, the game ends before I get any late game items. Of course abel has no trouble, being rhasta and all, since he gets gold literally twice as fast as any hero I like to use and three times as fast as any melee hero.In the other situation, I get owned but everyone else does well, thus their base gets destroyed.
The losing situation is a bit different. Ironically, these are the times I most often own up some of the guys on the other team. It doesn’t matter since we have a couple idiots on our team and let a couple guys on their team get too buff, then after the 50 minute mark I start eating it like the rest. Or there’s some asshole there taunting us, of course in situations where we start the game down one man or we have dumbass teammates and they think that we had anything to do with that.
Then there’s the random fucking bullshit that occurs like sneaking up on a guy with light strike array, with him COMPLETELY unable to tell that I’m coming and he randomly decides to move out of the way and avoid stun. Then he runs back and kills me. Shit like that happens with every hero but that’s just an example.
In addition to all this, there’s the problem with finding a game in general. Lots of people like to start games and then just hope their friends figure out the game name and boot at least fifteen people before all the guys join. I wager those games have a hard time starting after so many people come and get kicked. Allen was in this game where he kept booting people and there were like seven slots open before he himself got booted.
CvS2 sucks also. Especially when I’m trying to learn a new character or a new groove and allen bullshits me with classic cvs2 hatred: A-sakura crossup short short short rh, rh wait crossup short throw roll, activate… doesn’t even give me room to learn.
yeah man, dota is fun for that ONE game out of 100 that you play where you get good items, there are no assholes, and everyone stays until the bitter end, other than that, dota isnt worth the time spent.
and sakura is a total bitch. SHE OWNS SAGAT… Just let that sink in for a bit…
she gets a +3 on BLOCKED RH HURRICAN KICKS!!! AND YOU CAN ROLLCANCEL THEM!!! and thats just the beginning… out ranges c/s. fierce with s.rh, dive kick patterns with ambiguous crossups, not to mention her custom, so that the only grooves that have GOOD answers to RH hurricane get rocked by chip dmg customs(k/p) not to mention all the blillion different resets she has that no one at zz uses (thank god). yeah i dont blame you for getting rocked by her stupid crap, but know that youre gonna have to learn to fight it eventually which means PARRY THE FUCK OUT THEM HURRICANES. hell parry the first one and just uppercut to show fucking sakura that you wont be her total bitch. meh more anti SAK tips later i spose ::waits for allen to pipe in:: “JUST YOOOZ MAAHKI MASH KKK!!!”