It is isn’t? But hey man, blame it on Tio and Mike’s xbox breaking…it’s the FURIOUS JODO SHOW! No one can touch you! You run this top dog! Who am I to say that you did a shitty job?
Hey Frank,
I think the issue is that people are propping the door open an as a result some of the less desirables are getting into the building to use the bathrooms and such that normally wouldn’y through the front door.
@Mickey - Did I blame it on either of those things? Yes, I used Tio with players weighted by skill as far as I knew - and mikes x-box broke well after the Singles tourney was over (and if he can’t get it fixed through Microsoft we will be helping him out, if it means I personally have to shell out for it if noone else helps).
Also just to clear some dust up, I made the call to wait on TW’s starting because King was still playing and he was first at bat.
We do need to work out some kind of medium so that the singles tournament is over by the time TW’s starts…I’ve been noticing that the # of people watching tournament wars are dwindling because of casual setups in the lounge.
Bracket of death problem should be resolved next week by having mutliple people check out the bracket beforehand - and if anyone wants to look at it before we start just come up to me and let me know if you see any problems.
Bracket will be drawn up @8PM and matches started shortly thereafter next week. If anyone is “on the way” an doesn’t show up by the time their match is up they will be thrown into Loser’s. I was too lenient about this last week.
You could forcefully turn every console off while TW is going on.
It’ll be a dick move, but TW is why most of us are there in the first place, right? Shit like singles and casuals are just pudding on the cake. If all people want to do is play casuals, then they can do so on their own time in another venue.
We could even turn it all into Tekken @ 10:30 since thats when Zig usually likes to start his tournaments. Maybe leave 1 SF4 setup during TWars and then depending on how many we have balance it out a bit more afterwards.
Or tear down the SF4 setups, and once TWars is over set them up on those front tables (using extension cords + power strips) so that everyone can get in on some casuals and the minors have more chance to play as well.
edit: This would also make it easier to make sure we have the Lounge area cleaned up and put back as it should be so that Fae and them don’t have to worry about it when they are closing the bar down.
Danny, I think the way to satisfy the people attending singles and complaining about getting pinned up against friends would be to run a series of criteria:
-No one on the same team (TW) plays each other first round, only as second round: No one can complain about this due to number of people coming out. We were lucky to have so many this time around, but it is only a 32 man bracket, making it impossible for “friends” not to play “friends”; especially with how tight knit our scene is.
-Top Seeded players (Top placers from the past events will be taken into account): This will prevent “Top players” from playing other “Top players”. If people complain about getting put up against other Top players, it will only be a result from not attending the past events and having a lower skill marked in Tio when the brackets are made.
** = This takes precedence over anyone on the same team, because you can make the judgment call as to who plays who outside of the Top seeded players (BYE/Lower Skill Opponents)
if i hear “you win/lose” i know i got my keys hahaha.
back on topic. heres the deal guys. casuals cant be goin on way too late either. fae cant clock out if people are still playing. and with me and jacob not there this saturday, shes too nice to really kick people out like that. so be respectful please. she wants to be done and out by 330am. the tables are also set up for the breakfast, so try not to mess them up too bad if you can. tw matches didnt start til hella late last time haha. good thing they were relatively fast. and last call will be earlier cuz she wont have the help she wouldve normally have. shes gonna need the extra time to cashout and what not. and all in all, have fun, buy drinks, and kick ass
Wow, this shit sounds like it’s getting a bit out of hand. There doesn’t need to be anything more done to the brackets.
Danny: You are doing an awesome job. I really like how quickly you get the match vids up, and I think it would be tight to have a Ranbat system of some kind. Don’t worry about people complaining and don’t let anybody bring you down. Besides, the people complaining don’t need to be there, nor want to be there anymore anyways.
Everyone else: It’s a singles TOURNAMENT, not a political campaign.
Friends will have to fight against friends. And in a singles tournament, you’re on your own, so in that event, you have no friends. Everybody in the bracket is your enemy for the sake of playing your best to prove that you have what it takes that night to win. It shouldn’t matter who and when you have to fight in the brackets. The only thing that matters is beating everybody that comes your way. If you lose then you just didn’t have what it takes to win that night, plain and simple. Not everybody can play their best all the time, that’s why you can come back next time and play again.
Seedings are given out of respect to the players who have proved themselves before in past tourneys. That means committing to the event and showing up before you get a good spot.
A real competitive gamer seeks only to be the best that they can be. This means competing WITH yourself, and you compete FOR yourself. Not competing AGAINST the self. If ever you find a reason or an excuse for not doing your best under any circumstances, then you’re looking in the wrong direction of a true competitive player. Being the best that you can be does not mean that you have to win. It means that you are focused on the self and you keep your eye on constant improvement.
In the streets of fighting, there are no excuses for anything, and you are all alone in the world. So if you can see how it’s only you and you let go of all your ideas, bullshit, nonsense, fantasies, glamor, pedestals, ignorance, expectations, and wishes you have about other people, then you can hang out with them for who they really are.
Anybody is fair game in my eyes, and I honor each and every single one of my opponents. I don’t care where I’m placed in some bracket at some venue I could care less for, for some tournament that doesn’t really mean anything. I’m just there to compete in Street Fighter, wherever it is that I find myself.
I urge more people to do the same and to stop holding yourself and other people back by competing AGAINST one another. A scene and community is meant to compete WITH each other and FOR themselves. Let other people go and let yourself go. I like playing with all of you at Tournament Wars, now it’s up to us to get the ball rolling that Frank and others have put the energy in to providing. This is all only the beginning, and a lot of changes need to be made with our scene and ourselves before we are ready to compete in events like EVO.
YEAH what tanaka said! THUMPS UP SON!..
What the fuck Man…Why would you go and disrespect anybody in the scene who is working to providing competition like that? I thought you were trying to make it clear to me that you wanna help this scene grow with your SeattleVersus and what not. Are you backing out of something just because it didn’t go your way? And are talking shit about the way Danny runs TW singles?
You’re right, who the fuck are you to say that Danny is doing a shitty job?
I’m just gonna recap on everything you’ve shown me about yourself since I’ve moved here. First of all I wanna start by saying that I do like you Mickey (no homo), regardless of that which I think needs to be said. So far you’ve shown me you have a lot to offer to this scene, and have a strong sense of what it takes to be apart of a community. I think you’re extremely fucking smart, and you may or may not consider yourself to be a leader of sorts, but you definitely show the drive at times for what it takes to lead others.
But despite all of these excellent qualities that I do respect about you as a person, you’re acting like a fucking child bro. I say this out of respect, because I would say what I feel is the right thing to do to anybody I cared for. You should know as well as anybody that this scene needs a lot of things changed about it before it can grow towards it’s potential. In fact, you rant about it ALL the fucking time. And accuse people around you of “circle jerking” and not being “hungry”. But just what the fuck have you been doing to get this scene crackin’? As of late, all I ever hear from you is how this scene turns you off from having a reason to get better, or even to play people. You get extremely pissed off whenever you lose and make it evident that you want people to think that it shouldn’t have happened. Whether you actually want people to believe anything about you or not is not what’s important in that last sentence. It’s what evidence you leave us with based on your actions.
If you really were to be a positive role model or a leader type figure for anyone in the Street Fighter scene, then you should really look at the potential damage you’re causing. A helpful person to this scene does not belittle events related to the promotion of growth.
You hardly participate, you make constant negative rants, and now you’re even demoting something that brings players together. BOTTOM FUCKING LINE. You’ve crossed it and now I’m gonna call you out on it. Because I do care about what sort of influence the lesser experienced players get exposed to. It doesn’t matter who it is, I am merely regulating on the quality of information that gets shared here in the Northwest. And right now you’ve been giving venomous information to people who don’t deserve it.
That has been only your actions through my eyes as of late. But I honestly don’t believe that that is who you are. Please be accountable and take responsibility for your actions by recognizing my intentions here. I just think that you’re bitter right now, and I don’t think you’re being a bad person or anything. I just ask that you either be supportive of what we’ve got here as a little community so far(which isn’t the best by any means I know, but it’s better) and start looking up again instead of down, or simply cease taking out your bitterness on others.
You obviously do have a lot of influence around here Mickey, because when you looked down on TW singles, you got Danny and other people to try and reconfigure things and to waste time and energy worrying about making it better for you. But when you feed people’s hard work with negativity, then you’re holding others back from doing better and more important things around here.
You’re your own person and I encourage you to be anybody you want, good or bad. But if you’re gonna be a negative influence to the things I care about, I’m simply going to let you know it’s not appreciated. That’s all I mean to say.
I’ve been watching what you’ve been doing for a while now along with others, and I just wanted to give you a friendly reminder that we’re all in this together. SeattleVersus could be quite the powerhouse if you showed us all how much you actually do care. I know you do care, but it’s just been hard to really see that, ya know? Round.
That’s my new word, I’m gonna start saying “Round” all the time when I feel like it. hehe.
Oh yeah, and I’m still willing to help out with SeattleVersus in anyway that I can if you want. That is, if you’re still interested in having any help from my behalf.
And now we’re talking. Ty Tanaka for saying, far more eloquently than I was going to, what needed to be said after reading this page.
Good read Tanaka…
I don’t know why people are complaining about who they fight in singles. Like Tanaka said, you’re fighting for yourself. In the last few singles tournaments I’ve entered, I’ve been kicked out by Chris (ceramic sugar). That’s not even the worst part. At the last preppy’s he was my first match and my second match. I went two and out after having like 3 byes in losers. Now Chris is a better player than I am and he plays a character that has a solid advantage on mine, but every match is still a learning experience for me. Would I like to win? Of course. But you have to take what is given to you and make the best of it. Should I be able to overcome Chris in a tourney I would be very happy and know that I have made solid progress.
There’s not much I can really say to the above expository essay above, and neither do I have the motivation or mental capacity to defend a lot of points mainly due to how truthful it is. Tanaka, you’re very right, and I commend you for making such a wonderfully written post to challenge my thought. I know that it took a lot of time for you to write and I really appreciate you putting in the effort in doing that.
It was the wrongest move for me to straight up publicly say to Danny that he wasn’t doing a good job just because of my personal experience at the tournament. That more or less was a product of my frustration towards Danny when I talked to him personally about the tournament. After talking to him straight up about the tournament, all he had for me were excuses instead of ways to actually move forward and make a better tournament…“Tio made the bracket not me”…“Mike’s xbox broke and people don’t like the big setup”…“Well I can’t help it if your button broke, use your own stick then.” I guess it was difficult to hear Danny, in position as a tournament director, show little to no attention towards how he could actually make his event better…rather create dodgy answers to valid issues or questions.
In all respects, it was wrong of me to just say he does a terrible job, I definitely realize and understand that. It’s cool that Danny holds single’s tournaments, BUT I still stick to my opinion that I won’t be entering any more. Now the question of “are you backing out on something just because it didn’t go your way”…I’m not one to just quit something that I’m passionate in (competitive street fighter in this case). I’ve chosen to back out of this event because of a moral school of train thought. It’s as simple as “I don’t like how things are run here, so I’m not going to condone that.” I personally feel that if I’ve given my 2 cents on how things can be ran better, and things get completely ignored and all I’m given are excuses, then what reason have I been given to continue playing? I’m sorry but my love for competitive street fighter stops when events cannot be held towards my standards.
So that’s a very elitist thing to say right? Just what are MY standards? Give the tournament to me for free? Of course not. I merely expect the brackets to be spread out appropriately, for the tournament to be executed efficiently and quickly as well as tournament moderation in certain times. That’s really all that I expect in a tournament to be honest…I’ve never run a tournament so I can’t exactly say how difficult this is, however it’s what I feel should be the standard for events.
But I’m going to step away from this topic real quick and get to “larger” issues here in my next post. The issue regarding this scenes growth in your post.
I’ve got me some Popsecret; 94% Fat Free. nom nom nom
A lot of people who are closer to me in this scene understand my true want to make this scene something better. I want it to grow, I want it to become strong and I want it to become something serious for other regions to truly respect. For the rest of 90% of this scene, they don’t understand my intentions or my actions as to how they interrelate with each other. Things like “lol, Mickey says he wants the scene to grow, yet all he does is talk shit.” or “Mickey thinks he’s greater than God, yet he says he wants to help the scene? Yeah right!” All in all, the small 10% of the community actually does understand where I’m coming from and how I’m doing things. I truly DO want this scene to become better, but once again, it is to my standards how I want this to happen. Once again, a very elitist thing to say…“Mickey who made you the don of the Northwest?” The point of the matter is that I’ve made up my mind who wants to be here, and who wants to be friends. In doing so, I understand who will make this community GROW, and who will continue to make this community stagnate.
With that, I choose to lead how I want to lead. It may not be apparent to YOU how I’m leading Tanaka, however I lead through example. When I win, I lead through my success. When I teach people or help people out, I lead by showing that I have a lot to offer and can give it to others. If I have a problem with a train of thought that I don’t quite agree with it, I lead by showing people that it’s okay to speak their mind by challenging it. Now the way that I did it THIS time was completely stupid, and I apologize for that. I let “personal” nuances get in the way and took it out on Danny by my cut throat post. However the point is that I lead indirectly behind the scenes through EXAMPLE.
Am I “hungry?” No. But am I “circle jerkin?” Hell fucking no. I don’t think that it’s necessarily right for you to accuse me of saying “what have YOU done to get this scene crackin?” as you’ve personally seen the things that I’ve done. Most of my “leading” is over at Frank’s. I try to hold one to one sessions with people in order to help them out. I give pep talks to people (Dugg, Frank, Riki can you vouch) in order to help them out a bit with their mentality regarding the game. I try to give group discussions of basic fundamentals in order to push specific trains of thought into their heads (like the “holes in block string’s” lecture I gave awhile back). Now I haven’t led the community in it’s ENTIRETY…but that’s my entire point, is that I lead to MY STANDARDS. Now I personally don’t have the capability to just have sessions or throw events…but to say that I’m not helping/contributing in any way is a bit off colored don’t you think?
I guess the bottom line is that I could care less what the 90% of the community has to think about me…the 10% that I do care about however, that’s where my loyalty and passion resides. Hell, it’s one of the reasons why I made this amazingly strung out post as you’re part of that 10%. All in all, I hope this gives a bit of insight as to what’s going on in my head. I’m sorry to be such a poison towards something that has all but good intentions for the community. My apologies go out to Danny…I’m sorry that I don’t agree with the way you do things, and I hope you’ll look forward into possibly learning how to make things better for next time.
BRB Circle Jerking.
Edit: Shit, is it possible to circle jerk by yourself?
Mickey, I don’t know where you think I made any of those excuses because I flat out didn’t.
Yes, I USED Tio to make the bracket - I haven’t ever tried to say that it was not my fault the bracket turned out the way it did. On that note, I also don’t think it was nearly as ridiculous as you seem to think it was. **edit: **I want to elaborate a bit on this - I do not necessarily know who is closer friends than who else. I have made efforts in tournaments to seperate people out, but on all honesty we are a pretty close community, so I never really considered different cliques or whatever inside of the bracket as an issue. This is not a 128 man bracket or anything, you ARE going to play some friends. And if anyone wants to check out the bracket before we start I can always take things into consideration. I will make more of an effort to spread people out, but previous singles winners/etc get priority over separating out buddies.
And again, MIKES SETUP BROKE OVER AN HOUR AFTER THE SINGLES TOURNAMENT WAS OVER. The setup on the big TV I believe was Cloudfan’s, and he had to tear it down before the tournament was over, leaving us with three setups.
And as far as the stick issue which you think I moderated so horribly - at no point during your match did you come up to me about the stick. You came to me AFTER you had already finished out your match. Stick rules have been the same since I started this, if you are not using your OWN stick or one provided for you by someone you know - you cannot complain about the sticks on the stations. If there is a problem with one during your match, pause the game and try to find another stick, I have no issues with this. They are there as a courtesy and a few of us are willing to let people use our sticks to make things easier on people and allow those who don’t have sticks to participate with them.
I smell another blowout loss for the NW at Evo regional event if it happens this year. Nobody is on the same page and there is a clear divide between players and this region. Shit is completely pathetic! The singles tourney is dope, especially for a weekly event. It provides you with a week to change whatever you did wrong the previous week, almost like a midterm. There is nothing like it at the moment in Seattle and mostly likely nothing will top it. The UW tourney is once a month and that’s like a grand final topping off the month, which is also dope.
Nobody is playing each other regularly except the gameworks crew and thats a major issue. Believe me we will lose, it’s just the facts of life. I hate losing, there no such thing as a good game when I lose I go back and study the match-up the next day.
Mickey your my dood, but you can’t shit on a event that’s bringing more people together each week for a great showing. You have to be ready to play anyone anytime. More people want to play you but they feel your ducking and dodging them for various reasons. That can be said about the rest of NW that’s a no show to tourney’s me included.
Ultimately the mindset in NW is terrible right now. Typically with this type of elitist mindset your either winning every tourney you enter. Everybody should know thats’s not the case judging from the Evo regional placing last year.