TVC UAS Tier list speculation thread

[Roski]

What aspects is he lacking in? He’s an awesome battery, better air mixup than those 4 characters you mentioned, probably faster on the ground than all of them. His damage output maaaaybe a little low but his bnb corner loop combos and builds 2 meters after a megacrash; if you’ve cornered the opponent Zero has no reason to stop offense. He gets hit -> MC then repeat. You throw -> MC then repeat.

Right now it seems that it’s going to force you to run a battery that’s similar or either someone (maybe Condor) who can run the whole match. If he’s got the meter lead the cycle continues, especially when you’re probably going to have to burn 2 bars to get out of the corner or either 1 bar on a non-confirmed or counter super that he can’t MC to put you in the same position. Of course some strats and counters to his offense will evolve but this is the main reason I’d put him at the top at least for the moment.

[Monkey_D.Malcolm]

What aspects is he lacking in? He’s an awesome battery, better air mixup than those 4 characters you mentioned, probably faster on the ground than all of them. His damage output maaaaybe a little low but his bnb corner loop combos and builds 2 meters after a megacrash; if you’ve cornered the opponent Zero has no reason to stop offense. He gets hit -> MC then repeat. You throw -> MC then repeat.

Right now it seems that it’s going to force you to run a battery that’s similar or either someone (maybe Condor) who can run the whole match. If he’s got the meter lead the cycle continues, especially when you’re probably going to have to burn 2 bars to get out of the corner or either 1 bar on a non-confirmed or counter super that he can’t MC to put you in the same position. Of course some strats and counters to his offense will evolve but this is the main reason I’d put him at the top at least for the moment.

Damage, Damage output, No way to DHC into specials he can’t combo into his level 1 super with out an assist.

[Magik]

forgetting low health as well

[Poink]

I’m not gonna lie, I’ve been noticing a lot more how good Zero really is,
thanks to my friend who’s fucking relentless with him.
I think Roski made a few good points.
All anybody else is saying is, “zomgz zero has low hps & damage output he sux.”

Zero doesn’t really need high damage output when he can mash on you forever,
forcing you to play extremely defensive the entire match.
All his basic moves have seemingly instant startup AND recovery, on top of ridiculous long range.
Everything also seems to hit above and slightly behind him, so he can use like any standing normal as an AA.
You can pushblock his entire bnb and he’ll still always be close enough to jab you again.
All you can do the entire match, against a Zero that knows what they’re doing,
is constantly defend and wait for them to fuck up somehow…
You can virtually never find an opening on an offensive zero.
It’s like he’s constantly surrounded by a giant hitbox you can’t touch.

Granted, if you DO get two full decent combos in on him somehow, he’s dead;
compared to any other character, he’s the hardest to hit in the first place.

Also, those saying his supers suck don’t know what they’re talking about.
He has a glitch with that stupid rainbow super that if you DHC into certain other supers it’ll hit OTG,
so you can do it for free damage after any knockdown…
My friend does it with Tekkaman’s make it rain super, not sure which other ones work,
but apparently it works with quite a few.

The other two things that are kind of off-putting are how easy his cornerloop is,
and how easy it is for him to combo you out of his megacrash, especially near-corner.

In general, I think most people are just playing Zero all wrong, and trying too hard.
He’s one of those characters with insta-n00b-appeal, so his rep is mostly based off of a scrubby playstyle.
A lot of people also have the misconception that he should be used as a keepaway character which is all wrong.

idk, just thought i’d throw all that out there now since I have a feeling Zero is going to keep coming up.

edit: after reading over what roski said again, I’m going to have to say that all of his points are 100% valid.

[Onishiba]

So far, I also agree with what Onishiba said but a little different, “most” characters can make it up to tourney level play with how this game is actually balanced.

I consider Lightan to be the joke character of this game. So I don’t include him into my statement. I thought this was clear.

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[marn]

I mean… Zero is the best character in the game at this point in time hands down. Just wait for some tourney results and you’ll see. People aren’t going to listen to me because I’m ahead of the pack is all.

I hope you’re kidding about being ahead of the pack, because you’ll never be ahead of any pack in any game.

However, I agree, Zero is the best character in the game, with Alex close behind in 2nd place.

Zero/Alex™, get on the Marn team bandwagon before it’s too late!

[Monkey_D.Malcolm]

I’m not gonna lie, I’ve been noticing a lot more how good Zero really is,
thanks to my friend who’s fucking relentless with him.
I think Roski made a few good points.
All anybody else is saying is, “zomgz zero has low hps & damage output he sux.”

Zero doesn’t really need high damage output when he can mash on you forever,
forcing you to play extremely defensive the entire match.
All his basic moves have seemingly instant startup AND recovery, on top of ridiculous long range.
Everything also seems to hit above and slightly behind him, so he can use like any standing normal as an AA.
You can pushblock his entire bnb and he’ll still always be close enough to jab you again.
All you can do the entire match, against a Zero that knows what they’re doing,
is constantly defend and wait for them to fuck up somehow…
You can virtually never find an opening on an offensive zero.
It’s like he’s constantly surrounded by a giant hitbox you can’t touch.

Granted, if you DO get two full decent combos in on him somehow, he’s dead;
compared to any other character, he’s the hardest to hit in the first place.

Also, those saying his supers suck don’t know what they’re talking about.
He has a glitch with that stupid rainbow super that if you DHC into certain other supers it’ll hit OTG,
so you can do it for free damage after any knockdown…
My friend does it with Tekkaman’s make it rain super, not sure which other ones work,
but apparently it works with quite a few.

The other two things that are kind of off-putting are how easy his cornerloop is,
and how easy it is for him to combo you out of his megacrash, especially near-corner.

In general, I think most people are just playing Zero all wrong, and trying too hard.
He’s one of those characters with insta-n00b-appeal, so his rep is mostly based off of a scrubby playstyle.
A lot of people also have the misconception that he should be used as a keepaway character which is all wrong.

idk, just thought i’d throw all that out there now since I have a feeling Zero is going to keep coming up.

edit: after reading over what roski said again, I’m going to have to say that all of his points are 100% valid.

I didn’t say he sucked because he had low damage and low damage output. What I said is that it doesn’t make him the best. As for his corner loop what character does not have a sick corner loop? Also I meant to say he couldn’t DHC into his special. I also don’t think that all his options are so unanswerable as you guys are making them out to be.

[wolfox_okamicha]

There’s a huge counter to Yatterman 2’s Omotchama Roll - basically use cinematic combos against Yatterman 2.

[Lan_Di_1]

There’s a huge counter to Yatterman 2’s Omotchama Roll - basically use cinematic combos against Yatterman 2.

What does that even mean? Yatterman-2 is my favorite, if I had to make a tier list right now (and i’m just glad i’m not the kinda guy who feels the need to debate tier lists) i’d put her up top with karas, zero, andtekkaman/tekkaman blade.

[G.Bauer]

It means: use some kind of time-wasting super/combo and there you go. Omotchama is gone, seeing as he stays for about 10sec (correct me if I’m wrong please).

[wolfox_okamicha]

Yup. Auto-combos that have invincible frames can also waste time.

[Roski]

I didn’t say he sucked because he had low damage and low damage output. What I said is that it doesn’t make him the best. As for his corner loop what character does not have a sick corner loop? Also I meant to say he couldn’t DHC into his special. I also don’t think that all his options are so unanswerable as you guys are making them out to be.

I think that you’re looking too much at surface-level - it doesn’t matter if he has low stamina, low damage output, or can’t DHC into or out of something. The stamina and damage output don’t matter when it’s the meter that you’re fighting.

[Lan_Di_1]

It means: use some kind of time-wasting super/combo and there you go. Omotchama is gone, seeing as he stays for about 10sec (correct me if I’m wrong please).

I highly doubt the timer on Omotchama runs when a super is activated. At least, I’ve never noticed if it does. I’ll time it and see later.

[wolfox_okamicha]

Yes it does. Omotchama will even try to attack you during the cinematic/animation, which will all miss.

[Jose357]

hey i was just thinkin ken the eagle is a possible top 5 tournament character because of his many strengths. let’s see

1. he has a a good projectile( better than ryu’s in my opinion) which makes it hard to approach him because it comes back
2. eagle rush catches a lot of people off gaurd because it’s so quick. eagle rush xx e.r super is punishment for sleeping foes
3. a teleport that can be used anywhere and allows another attack to be used when it’s over. even another teleport is possible
4. he has very fast mobility. his attacks are very fast too
5. he can combo very well, too well i’d say
6. his level 3 super can punish projectile spammers and causes severe damage. also when he does that leap right before his super he’s invincible. he can go through shinkuu hadoken, voltekka even real megabuster when he does the leap and super!

ken is definitely a top 5 character in my opinion but i think his boards are dead because he’s unpopular. whatever he is it doesn’t change the fact that he’s a top character. ken mainers gimme your input on ken’s standings in future tournament play because i main ken also and plan to use him at tournaments.

[Onishiba]

lol, character boards in general are pretty dead. =P

[G.O.T]

hey i was just thinkin ken the eagle is a possible top 5 tournament character because of his many strengths. let’s see

1. he has a a good projectile( better than ryu’s in my opinion) which makes it hard to approach him because it comes back
2. eagle rush catches a lot of people off gaurd because it’s so quick. eagle rush xx e.r super is punishment for sleeping foes
3. a teleport that can be used anywhere and allows another attack to be used when it’s over. even another teleport is possible
4. he has very fast mobility. his attacks are very fast too
5. he can combo very well, too well i’d say
6. his level 3 super can punish projectile spammers and causes severe damage. also when he does that leap right before his super he’s invincible. he can go through shinkuu hadoken, voltekka even real megabuster when he does the leap and super!

ken is definitely a top 5 character in my opinion but i think his boards are dead because he’s unpopular. whatever he is it doesn’t change the fact that he’s a top character. ken mainers gimme your input on ken’s standings in future tournament play because i main ken also and plan to use him at tournaments.

Well here are my standings:

Top 5 IMO (as unbiased as possible):

Ken the Eagle/Jun the Swan/Zero/Ryu/Joe the Condor

However, the characters I’m experimenting with is between: Zero, Yatterman-2, and Tekkaman. Ken The Eagle will be my best character until I can find a perfect teammate to with him. I’m actually thinking Zero might be it LOL.

In truth I think the Gatchaman crew is just real solid. I dont really see flaws in their game. I mean its there but not realy noticable cons. As for Ryu and Zero.

I NEVER SEEN SUCH EASYBAKE TACTICS. When I first got the game I immeadiately realized how much of a breeze it was to pull out wins with them. Keepin it simple sometimes is keepin it real. As much as I HATE Ryu.:arazz:

I still want to use T-Blade/Zero or Dub Tekkaman to use @ tourneys. But I really see Ken/Joe becoming the best squad on the game eventually. They compliment each other entirely to well.

Which brings me to why Justin Wong never picked up Ken The Eagle? I know Chun is fucking godlike and what not…but Ken The Eagle is a way better character imo. Ken--------just has everything you need to dominate, I mean, that’s all I got. Nuff said.

[Jon_Slayton]

I hope you’re kidding about being ahead of the pack, because you’ll never be ahead of any pack in any game.

However, I agree, Zero is the best character in the game, with Alex close behind in 2nd place.

Zero/Alex™, get on the Marn team bandwagon before it’s too late!

When I say ahead of the pack I’m just saying I think I’ve seen what the character is capable of a lot sooner than people that don’t use him / don’t have a good Zero in their area. People will agree with time once the game develops more.

Unless you mean me personally in which case fuck you lol.

So do you really think alex can overcome his range / mobility and apply the stuff that makes him broke? Won’t he just get zoned / ran from in competitive play? How could he touch someone like tekkaman blade? Actually I can’t even see him catching Zero all that well. As long as you don’t let him get in range to work his guaranteed throw setups he shouldn’t be a huge threat right?

[soulbankai]

Which brings me to why Justin Wong never picked up Ken The Eagle? I know Chun is fucking godlike and what not…but Ken The Eagle is a way better character imo. Ken--------just has everything you need to dominate, I mean, that’s all I got. Nuff said.

He said it himself, if he cuold, he would use straight girls in any fighter. lol, not like it’s a problem though when he is winning.

[Monkey_D.Malcolm]

I think that you’re looking too much at surface-level - it doesn’t matter if he has low stamina, low damage output, or can’t DHC into or out of something. The stamina and damage output don’t matter when it’s the meter that you’re fighting.

LoL What are you doing with all that meter? Megacrashing me to death?