I do think Karas is on a tier on his own. He is too damn fast and advance guard is the only way to escape from his rushdown. You cant even interrupt his change and he doesnt really get pushback from advance guarding…
I don’t think people should be afraid to supply constructive criticism to a player that is “superior.” It’s just a game, don’t be so serious.
He does seem quite tough. Definitely top tier at the moment.
Thankfully, he isn’t completely unbeatable.
whats ur problem you got 2nd congrats, why you so mad. 
fyi, I did not play the game “mad long” before the tournament and getting 4th.
I only play on weekends with Keits. I don’t practice much if at all, sure ill throw training mode on for a few minutes and try a combo, but thats about it.
Nobody here has played this game “mad long” because it just fucking came out.
and if they have, I want their job where I can just stay home and play TvC all day.
Anyway on topic.
Karas is good and upper tier, yes because early game and results show Karas doing well. Also think Chun is upper tier too and Ryu. I wanna put Megaman in upper too cause of my “day one megaman basics” results until I had to fight someone who had better “day one basics”
Im sure the tier list will move around once we get from “day one basics” to “day 356 basics”.
“Dude, find me a few posts where people say Karas is nothing. Everyone knows to respect the character, and to respect the players. You are just babying because people DARE disagree with you that this character is beatable and not in a tier alone at the top. Get over it, Marn.”:
I’m sorry, but that sound likes “karas is not big deal, block low, burst and you win!”, wich is obviously bullshit.
Karas is in a tier of his own, he is beatable tough.
You also said you don’t care about taking shit from people here because everyone’s a scrub, so why even bother to make a case for yourself.
You know what, people here have been **congratulating **you on your gameplay, and your position in the tournament.
The only thing close to bashing that anyone’s done is laugh about those old claims of brokenness, which you admitted to be intentionally over-hyping. If people are calling you out on having done that, with what reason are you getting pissed off?
Hard to believe that your claims were misunderstood by everyone back then, when you said Sinsation would be a “joke”. You showed no intention of clarifying at that time, none that I can see. And your interview wasn’t until weeks after that.
Let me fix this for you:“You guys all think you can block Karas” - THAT’S what people are saying, that it’s possible to defend and win. That’s really only an argument against the claims of brokenness, NOT against your person, your ability as a player.
The only reason I can think why you’re unable to make that distinction is because you’ve internalized all this stuff about Karas to the point where if anyone says that he’s not as broken as you claim, you feel justified in getting pissed and telling people they suck. You did that clearly in the Karas thread before, and you’re doing it again.
And it all goes back to what I said before… it’s not possible to have reasonable conversation in this forum because for half the people out there, everything they say is really trash talk disguise.
*“Do you guys travel to tournaments? Do you guys ever show results?” “none of you guys have been a top player EVER in ANY game” *
THIS is what he REALLY wanted to say. This was the real purpose of that post.
nope
absolutely.
karas is a god, and i still remain neutral on calling him s tier, but it doesnt matter what tier i label him. i could say he’s a piece of shit all day, but he is still gonna be what he is, who gives a shit. if you dont wanna say he’s in a tier of his own, fine, but im sure even those most adamant at not admitting him into the hall of tiers of their own, still have to admit he’s 1 step away. for some, he’s already there. the difference between s and a is so minimal with karas, that it doesnt matter at this point.
im gonna pick up yatterman…ugh, i already revoked that notion. he’s so whack looking.
i want to see a beastly ken, and im to lazy to pick him up. i wonder if a better infinite with batsu would kick him up a notch? cant you set the infinite he has now up in a few ways already? i havent been practicing his infinite today, i think i’ll get into that here soon.
jun is so pretay
I don’t see that people here are really criticising Marn’s ability or anything, despite how he feels.
They’re criticising claims that he and some others made a while back on the Karas forum. They said Karas was near impossible to beat, and that Sinsation was going to be a joke, among other things. And all of it was accompanied by heavy undertones of “if you disagree, you suck, you don’t know any better, you’re wasting your time playing this game”.
He admitted that he was over-hyping things, and people are simply calling out all of that at this point.
Given the progression of the issue and the tournament results, what you’re seeing people criticise now is really only a logical response.
Generally speaking I agree, however that only extends to criticizing the players themselves. When it comes to other criticisms, you have to think about it as an objective view from the sidelines, much like a coach and a star player. The coach himself surely couldn’t take his star player, but he has a good bit of knowledge on the subject and at least some experience.
Depending on how much knowledge and experience the criticism will obviously be more or less “accurate”, but I think everyone has a right to an opinion. Who knows, maybe the player catches a tip on something he simply overlooked; or on the other hand the critic is shown why his criticism is wrong and becomes a better player for it. That in its self brings it back to building a better community.
I think this is the third or fourth time I’ve quoted you in complete agreement.
Seriously though, that’s basically how I feel about this whole thing.
I don’t really think so… the combo of the knee is nice, but nothing particularly game changing IMO and his version of the OTG infinite seems more specific than Souki’s, which I also don’t think will bump him up much in the long run.
Uhh, clearly we are not reading the same post by me. Mine says very plainly that he isnt in a tier of his own. Whatever it looks like it might mean to you is just conjecture. Every tier list I talked about or posted has had him in the with the top characters.
I also didnt say anything about bursting in that post AT ALL.
But yeah, if you block low, and use one of the various ways to inflict unburstable damage on Karas, you can beat him with a great variety of characters.
Again, I need to clarify for all of you: There are two camps of thought here. Camp 1 thinks Karas is in a tier of his own, but can be beaten. Camp 2 thinks Karas is top tier, along with some other characters, and can be beaten.
We are all basically saying the same thing.
I was at the tourney… I saw marn play with Karas…as I said before…Marn is known for some crazy shit but when it comes to games HE KNOWS HIS SHIT.
No way, you just cant block low and win, as you said, you have to inflict damage, and that actually leave you open, wich mean karas can strike.
Also, karas can IAD with assist support, baroque crazy pokes into throw xx level 3, or actually wait patient and see how the oponent attacks and react, (wich is IMO what marn had to do on the finals).karas has many defense and counter options.
Bue yeah, everyone can beat Karas (and just because every character on the game has lots of options) and actually that doesn’t mean he isn’t on an unique tier or above everyone, i mean, half of the roster on MvC2 can beat Magneto, for example, Megaman, but truth is that magneto is god and megaman is mid (i think…)
More specific? It still takes 3 levels, no baroque, can hit midscreen, and can come from any knockdown, so a ground chain, knee attack, drill kick, etc.
So what happened to Karas putting you in block stun forever? Is that possible but highly situational or was it just BS?
No. You couldn’t. There seems to be almost none MvC2 players on the TvC forums. Sorry for being a bitch and correcting every MvC2 statement from everyone, but this is not true. You can hold back and call assist, but if you’re forced into blockstun you can’t call assists until you get out of it. That’s one of the reasons why Strider and Spiral kick so much ass in the right hands
Back on topic, and this is not aimed at Jimmy, please don’t bitch about vids until you win something. Everybody can talk shit about your vids too. Nagata’s messages owns. And yes, some people are talking shit on vids. Just read the thread like I just did.
I hated on Marn before, but I gotta agree with his last post. He did very well. You can’t hate until you do better.
Back on the REAL topic, what about teams? Can Karas/Chun work? I’m guessing Ryu will end up the most popular mainly because his assist is so good, on top of his regular qualities. Kubo and Gian did that already. Ryu helps Karas with mixups, and helps Chun not only with the assist, but also because he can DHC from his super into Chun’s into infinite.
About Karas, blindly blocking is no solution. He can throw into level 3. It’s not only reflexes, but you gotta be smart like Wong. No matter which is Karas’ tier, in the end the better player can have the edge. There were probably several Kara’s players who couldn’t go very far into the tourney.
I said a while ago you and Justin are better than me by a long shot and not even because of the shit you guys may or may not know about the game. Just straight up, your fundamentals are solid as fuck.
I’m not sure WHO you could have talked to that plays the game with me and said I suck because no one in NC beats me except Cajunstrike who I go back and forth with and who wasn’t at Sinsation either. NCs best wasn’t there, plain and simple. You were probably talking to Sumaragi who has beat me maybe like twice out of 9000000000000 matches. If it was anyone else, they don’t even play the game and their opinion doesn’t matter.
Anyway I disproved the stuff I had posted a while ago, it’s other people’s fault for flipping their lid about it before really using it in matches. When it boils down to it, all you have to do to play Karas is play safe and aggressively zone. You win. I don’t think it’s a matter of difficulty blocking the character, it’s just trying to retaliate at the wrong times and not know when to escape / trying to jump away and getting hit by a low.
But anyway Marn, much respect to you man, and I actually agree with your post. Good shit on getting second and beating EVERYONE except Justin Wong. I mean it. Your Karas is solid. Next time Wong jumps over your shit when you’re zoning, don’t forget you can whiff cancel shit, I saw a lot of times you coulda sword spinned / countered his IAD stuff when he jumped over a 2B or whatever.
I hadn’t checked the Casshern boards recently and thought it was still limited to the corner only. My mistake.
Still I don’t think it’s necessarily accurate to significantly alter tier lists based on what a character can do with another character/as a specific team. Save those judgments for a team ranking list, imo.
Fair enough, that’s a ways off though, haha.
Team ranking list…
Non-repeating combinatorials of 2 characters, from a 20 character total… plus the 2 giant characters… a ranked list of 30169915776002 items. I’d agree; that’s a ways off
You see, blocking Magneto is hard. Tri-jump overheads can be near instant and are extremely safe for him.
Karas doesnt have any quick overheads. If you suspect he may IAD at you, you can jump back and block (which you’ll see justin doing over, and over, and over…) to avoid most up-cancel mixup attempts. If Karas IADs at you without an assist, he just gave you an opening. But again, Karas fastest overhead/high attack is an IAD, and thats really quite slow imo.
Being able to block Magneto vs blocking Karas is just not an apt comparison.
I’d like to see Justin play…but apparently there aren’t any vids, are there?