TvC: Tier List Speculation

i agree. i was ignorant, and didnt want to believe. then i learned how to play karas, and i realized i was being foolish. but just keep playing, build up your anti karas the best you can, and try to find new shit with your characters. dont be discouraged, even mvc2 at high levels was played with only a select few people, and that was played for over a decade. just support tvc, and keep it movin, and hopefully once america and japan show what tvc is about, that the people who brought us the game, will fix some stuff, and then its gonna be really good when they give us tvc2.

sbo is going to be a solid format for japan, and hopefully some u.s players to show the game off. hopefully they wont make karas trash in tvc2. they just need to add better defensive options, everything else can stay as is. there are no game breaking glitches so far. so like what was addressed in my interviews, make the defensive options better, and the game will probably be consider by the community as the best vs game to date.

whatsup with megaman. people dont really mention that dude anymore. i think he is good. not that it means much,but didnt he have one of the first infinites.did people give up on him? i saw dudes tekkaman/megaman videos. them shits were pretty cool

I know the Karas = broken schtick has been beaten to death, but it’s nice to finally see some people coming around and realizing that he’s not just hype. He’s one of those characters that is basically playing a different game compared to everyone else. In my mind, the three most important aspects of this game are space control, safe play and meter management, and he’s a beast at all three.

You’ve summed it all up right there. I thought that it was all just hype at first, but after picking him up myself and having played against a decent Karas or two I realized that he is simply stupid.

Now, there are ways to beat him and there are characters that make Karas fight somewhat fair (Alex, Doronjo, and Tekkaman quickly come to mind), but the fact still remains that if you mess up against Karas, you will probably lose.

OH! And lets not forget the fact that due to Karas’ general absurdity in the meter building department, he CAN afford to mess up a few times per match since he pretty much always has 2 meters for the Mega Crash. I swear that it seems like a bug sometimes. In a match a few nights back, my friend was doing the usual Karas pressure bullcrap and Mega Crashed 3 times after I found a hole and landed a hit. I then ate a BBQed infinite on my second character and died in his first combo. Nice character.

lol people shouldn’t delude themselves and think he’s not TOP TIER cuz he is, but he still isn’t unbeatable.

People have to remember non-infinite Karas is a joke, infinite karas is scary. Because infinite karas builds retarded amounts of meter while dealing huge dmg that can kill a character before you are capable of mega crashing.

However, using correct tactics you can beat him with some consistancy 5-5 or 6-4 with certain characters. You just have to remember you can’t use bar against him unless you are 100% it will kill him because you have to megacrash and VC to counter his retarded offense. Also remember counterpoking him is rarely a smart idea.

Samurai your statement about VC’s being an awnser to everyone is simply false. They answer karas better than other characters moves because his normals last so long. He can bait them if he pauses during his A’s and st. B but cr. B and his c’s if done quickly are almost guaranteed punishes. Him getting punished for half his life and them regenerating the bar they spent on the VC is a scary option for karas if he starts early pressure as now he basically started the match with half life and if he gets to aggressive their next VC would kill him. so he has to resort to a lot of cr.A, st. B, and hope for a counter hit.

karas is top but not god tier.

somehow i feel yatterman will arise on the same level as Karas in the near future

The character clearly isn’t unbeatable, otherwise I’m pretty sure people would have already hung this game up. It’s just really sickening to see what he does to characters when he fights them. You can’t use meter unless you’re sure he’ll die, which makes killing him somewhat of a bitch. Combined with the fact that you can’t really poke him a lot means that you have a hard time building your own meter, while he’s generating tons.

Yatterman’s infinite does damage faster than Karas’, and his range game is good, but harder to use. He can’t start the infinite from as retarded of situations as Karas can, but I do feel that Yatterman should be high now, just because of how much damage he can get off that inf. from full screen.

infinites arent banned in xmen and thats 100x more broken than TvC is right now, y’all just have no fortitude of will.

TvC you cant land low short -> insta gameover yet

Yes his 2B and 5C are punishable. So are like every other characters. I’m just saying if Karas has that weakness then really, the majority of the cast probably will as well. Look at ryu for example and tell me he’s not easy to VC. His 2B is even worse than karas’s.

Besides, it’s entirely possible for karas to win a match with nothing but 5B and 2A as his pokes, 2B from a distance should be safe as well except vs other Karas.

People are JUST NOW saying what I’ve been saying this whole time. Kinda funny it took you guys so long to realize it. Just play the character or play against a competent one and you should see the truth. There is no hype.

Sigh. Play the game, not theory fighter. If you want theory fighter I can tell you that Roll’s 2C beats Karas 5B at range, and that roll 2a beats/trades with Karas 2a depending on range, so ROLL’S BROKEN AMIRITE?!?! Learn your matchups people, and quit the hyping.

How am I playing theory fighter? It’s the truth.

You know what beats roll’s 2C at range? Blocking and punishing it. You know who does that really well? Karas. And then he’s going to infinite you.

aaaand more theory fighter. I’m just saying your shit isn’t completely safe. I am aware that he is good, but against someone who actually is good and knows the matchups you can’t just say “spam these moves and you will win” which is what everyone is doing. All I said was, if you want to say those moves are broken and just spam them, there are counters for them, and then there are counters for those moves in return. We could call them out all day if we felt like it, but I’d rather actually play.

Oh right, I agree man. I just think Karas has better tools for most situations than everyone else. I know it’s more theory fighter and all in how the player actually applies it, but really, Karas is theoretically unstoppable, and not only that but easy to play, unlike someone like Yatterman. Yatterman seems really good in theory too but his infinite is way harder to do and his pokes are harder to apply.

Anyway look at it like this:

Karas has the best pokes in the game. He has a low that goes halfway across the screen and combos into an infinite. If they push block and try to punish you can cancel into 5C or sword spin OR counter super.

Sword Spin has a practically unbeatable hit box which can stop any air approach pretty much safely and can be done after any normal or any dash-slide rep for safety in case they try to retaliate. On hit you can combo it into the infinite. It can be used on wakeup as a reversal.

5B and 5C both work as good anti airs. This game lacks a lot of anti air.

5B and 2B work as amazing ground control. Karas can easily take advantage of any opening or take control of the opponent and force them to block at any point in the match when he’s not in block stun.

After push blocking, karas doesn’t have to move forward to retaliate, meaning he can punish more things in the game than anyone else.

Counter super deters repetitive instant air dashing, where as many other characters have no real answer to this. Yes it can be baited but if you use it sparingly, it’s a great tool to have, and can be applied in other situations as well.

Sword spin super does retarded block damage, usually killing people with 5-10% health left even if they block and hits full screen no matter where they are and is unpushblockable (lol new word).

Can combo into his level 3 off of a throw. Wow someone can make a throw count for something in TvC?

Has a dash that can cross people up and also seems to have some invincibility, but can be canceled into anything.

Has an infinite that works full screen which is EASY to do and can combo from virtually any move.

Can combo a Mega Crash from further away than any other character in the game and can also lead it into an infinite. HITTING KARAS LEADS INTO YOU GETTING INFINITED.

Has some of the best meter building in the game. This means…more megacrash into free combos than other characters.

Can use the dash attack to cover the entire screen almost instantly, getting in on runaway saki and the like.

He is a ninja. Also according to my friend that takes japanese, the kanji that appears when his counter super hits is “slash”. That’s so dumb that it’s awesome.

But seriously. Tell me this shit doesn’t add up to retarded, especially at high levels where it’s all being applied.

LMAO we’re still debating this?

Karas is a beast, will always be a beast.

Can we develop some other characters now lol?

i didnt read the whole thread its late.lol my tier list
karas
chun
mega
ryu
joe,tek and hurricane everyone else.

karas slaps assist way and vc for some reason can be stopped. matches against some of my friends i was able to stop the vc. he has the best move set in the game. you cant jump or stand.lol he is only beatable if he leaves himself open thats it. catch him doing something stupid. me and perfect sin played some matches and one round i messed up and he hundred percented karas wit ryu. some other matches he couldnt do anything against me cause if you dont go wild wit karas and play safe pressure he cant be stopped.the only thing that i know beats karas at the opening right now is chun’s LL and another karas. my best advice at the opening is walk away from him cause of his slow walking speed at the opening. ryu and mega can just walk away from him at the opening. putting yourself at a safe distance and hope he does something stupid.

Seconded.

And thirded!

At any rate, Doronjo is pretty sick. Not as good as Karas, but on par with Ryu/Chun. Now let the gates open! :rofl:

Let’s break Batsu next. Because Batsu is awesome and needs more love.

Yeah, you’re just talking fanatics all over again.

Man, it’s hard to have sensible Karas discussion. Probably because alot of this stuff is really just trash-talking and ego talk in disguise… “my friends couldn’t beat me, other characters are for losers”, etc…

Anyway, we should talk about other characters, though Karas will likely remain the elephant in the room.

lets talk about how Yatterman is underrated