You’re right…they had infinites up the yingyay + no Mega Crash … tsk tsk.
Oh well, I’m gonna give the game some time.
Right now the only character who’s looking to be PURE bs is Karas. If things get really really bad, he can always be banned. Which will be very sad, but if it helps make the game more fair, then I’m all for it.
But unless this thing that Marn has is really as game breaking as it’s been hyped to be, I doubt that will happen.
Agreed. I’d be all for banning Karas if it meant that the game was a lot more fair. Gotta wait and see exactly how “broken” he is though. Sinsation vids will be a blast to watch 
If you guys ban karas, plan to ban mega man, roll, ryu chun li, gold lightan, ptx, souki, and whoever else has any advantages. Actually, I think the best route would be to just drop this hot garbage.
Yeah ban karas along with everyone else.
/srs no ban talk, plz.
okay, i know this thread should be paused until further notice. talk about banning karas? PFFT .
I thought we already settled on not banning characters waaaaaay long ago. Why are we back on this?
No one should be banned. THINGS can be banned such as glitches. The list of THINGS focus primarily on glitches. THINGS dont include infinites and most definitely characters.
Karas isnt broken from the simple fact you have more than enough tools in which you can counter karas, despite what character you have. (Cept Giants, they have less tools but do they need them against karas? Not really LOL.)
Until Karas somehow by a chance of the devil obtains an ability/tech/tactic that shuts down all your options INCLUDING Mega Crash, no ban talk. Even then, something that broken would be banned and not the character itself.
Depends how broke this Marn discovery is.
The way you guys are carrying on about it is like it has no counter. and when something has absolutely no counter to the extent where the only way to win is to pick Karas, then that’s one of the few times you would consider banning a character in a fighting game.
Then Marn needs to show us this discovery so we can pass judgement.
I think he’s keeping it secret for now so that nobody is going to know how to counter it at Sinsation, which is a fairly smart thing to do.
but such a tease. >_<
i think he should only be banned if there is no way for any character in the game to fight him. I remember hearing that petshop from jo jo’s got banned, im not really sure if this is true…about karas being banned…i think chun fights him well, batsu can run the whole match, the robots own his soul…there are ways to fight the character
Seriously everyone has a weakness, the game hasnt been out for over 2 months and already theres ban karas talk already? please, as much as i cant stand Karas he has to have a hole besides his weak defense.
if anything ill root for the team w/o karas in winter brawl and sinsation.
I’m not saying ban him or anything…but when a character can put you in infinite blockstun with A kasha>2C…somethings wrong…of course as long as you have at least 2 levels/1 level+partner/Batsu/maybe Soki…you can get out of this. The only weakness karas has besides his defense is the player being stupid. If there were a computer playing Karas to his ultimate potential, then we’d have to ban him. But no single player is going to be able to pull 100% out of him.
Naw man, there can definitely be exploits that make a character unreasonable for tournament play. If a character does have a way around every tool, pretending you’re going to ban a list of sequences is not the way to go. For Super Turbo, no one said “we’re banning Akuma’s aerial hadouken lockdown, you can’t use it, but you can still use Akuma”. Not how it works.
This. If he can do the kind of lockdown that people are saying, it’d be real bad. No one’s any more manly for advocating against banning.
Like jimmy1200 said in the Karas thread, if you’re gathered with Demon Hyo, Steve H, and other top guys, and after a while you literally had to stop playing Karas because of a BS tactic, it must be pretty serious. They haven’t said what that tactic is, they’re keeping it shut for Sinsation or whatever, but I guess we’ll eventually see it. Right now we have to wait, but I don’t think it’s looking particularly good at the moment.
I totally want to keep playing this game, I seriously want to see it succeed, and it’s fun the way I’m playing it now. I don’t want that to change or anything, but at the same time, I don’t have the blind faith that some people seem to have. There’s no reasoning in saying “this game just **can’t **turn out to be another MvC2”, “everything **has **to have a weakness”. There’s no fundament in any of that; you have to be real.
What’s going down right now in the Karas thread feels real important (ignoring the bs flaming there right now).
And it just sucks for me; I already had a feeling Karas was gonna be overused noob-bait because of “cool”, “badass”, “dark”, shallow flashy crap… all we need now is for him to stay top/god tier with dozens of BS options, so absolutely everyone will use him (no offense to any long-time Karas fans). If I’m forced to use Karas, or if all I’m gonna be fighitng is Karas 90% of the time, I’m really gonna hate it.
Well, I had A LOT of success with the Karas infinite block string at the tournament I went to today. I’d say it’s to the point where I felt like because of that one tactic, Karas was unfair. It seriously just lets you build as much meter as you want pretty much. Not to mention if they get hit you can just go into the infinite. It’s dumb. I actually regret posting my find now because I could have easily taken it to a big tournament and probably atleast placed with it. I won’t say won because honestly, I know in the fundamentals department someone like j.wong or other top players obviously have me and everyone else beat. But a top player putting this to use would be completely unfair.
I mean that particular tactic could always just be banned though, wouldn’t be hard to spot someone doing it either. We’ll have to see how effective it is later.
As for the Marn bs, he’s a good player but don’t listen to him about his find. I wouldn’t put it past him to make up something like that to get attention. I’m sure he probably just has a beast Karas.
See, it would be nice if the tactics could be banned and not the character. That would make everything rosy, but it will always be a topic of argument. At least I remember how hard it was for the Metaknight infinite dimension cape trick in Brawl to be decided on a ban due to problems with monitoring it or something like that.
I’m heavily infused in the Brawl tournament scene and I know for sure that at most if not all “real” tournaments (not the crappy local gamestore ones) it’s banned. That, and a lot of other stupid exploits. No characters are banned in Brawl but a lot of the cheap stuff they can do are banned. It’s pretty easy to monitor because if you saw your opponent doing it you would simply pause the game, report to the TO and get a few witnesses to say “yah he was ledge stalling, or yah he was doing this or that”. We all know there will usually always be at least 1 spectator for most tournament matches so when it comes to monitoring broken tactics just leave it up to the players to report it. From there, you would leave it to the TO to decide what to do, whether the guy lost the match or the set depending on rules posted in the thread.
Take a look at some Brawl/Melee rulesets for big tournaments. You will see generalized things like “excessive stalling” banned. That includes the infinite dimensional cape and ledge stalling of course. Also if you look at Melee rulesets you will see IC’s freeze glitch banned. Just goes to show it is very possible for broken techniques to be banned and not the characters…just find a common sense way to enforce it.
If anything, BAN the 46A1C string for Karas.
I think what’s wrong with some of these Capcom communities is their unwillingness to ban obvious broken shit. But I’m probably biased since I’m used to “fairness” in the other games I take seriously… /sarcasm
Still not concrete on anything with Karas yet since we’re still waiting for a big tournament but yah like the others have said, if it caused the likes of Justin Wong and company to stop playing Karas for the night then it must be pretty retarded.
LOL probably because the only hope of you actually winning a tournament depends on broken tactics and exploits . Of course you’d be against it…
I just love the people who say “this is totally unstoppable, there is a thing that nobody will be able to do anything about it ever.” And then when somebody says “well if that’s true we should ban it” they say “OMG no ban talk.” But seriously I’m waiting on Sinsation vids I guess. I’m interested to see what this is, but w/e it is I’m not switching to Karas. I might just drop this game and go play more BB tho lol.
Let’s not ban the blocklock for Karas. Samurai just confirmed that Variable counters don’t allow your opponent to super cancel or anything, meaning no counter super punish by Karas. Meaning free variable counter + juggle. And if you can juggle Karas, you can deal a lot of damage to him.
If anything, I can see this being a detriment unless the Karas player is very good at baiting the Variable cancel.
Now I guess we all just have to sit back and worry about Marn’s secret ninja technique. frets
Yah I’m still open to waiting it out but if worst comes to worst, instead of dropping this game I’d much rather keep it playable with a small ban.