I tried that it didnt work. People at arcades here just want to play fair since they think thats the only way you can win, if you try to tell them other wise they just get pissed off and walk away.
What do you mean “play fair”? Like people don’t want to use infinites and other stuff that comes off as cheap?
I can see where you are coming from.
People think at arcades think people shouldnt use cheap characters like Sent, Cable. Or shouldnt keep doing the same moves over and over and other stuff they think is cheap. Me and Ryan have been trying for ever to get people to get better, its not worth the time though cause 90% of the people at arcades never listen they just think everyone shouldnt be cheap. So theres really no point in getting people together if they will not listen and think there was is the right way.
Im not going to force people to play also which is why me and Ryan gave up on trying to help scrubs
Seany: That is just it though, all those things are not some sort of subset of a higher oder of gaming prowness. They are general common sense. Once we stop treating guarding and specials and wake up situations as some sort of intermediate/ high level SF theory, and call it what it is, then we can teach people how to be competent, then help them to to get good. It is the difference between having to pound so and so “scrub” with character “x” and combo set up “y” and actually seeing where someones problems are at, and helping them get better. The elitist attitude that fighting game players have lead them to overcomplicate simple concepts and attain some sort of inability to explain things as rudimentary as blocking high or low, or explaining invincibility on a certain move or whatever.
I posted what I posted not towards the complete novice who, indeed would not understand SF, but for the slew of you who DO understand general fighting game mechanics. You are not advanced players do to a lack of experience and knowledge of your character and match-ups, not cause SF is too damn hard for all of Tucson to understand. Intermediate SF needs nothing more than a small group, and advanced SF is clicks away. Play more and help each other and you all will all get good.
thats other thing Jorge. Trying to get people to gether is not going to happen in tucson, everyone is to busy.
That is fine, but when you do get together, make it to play and get better, not just to compete.
Indeed.
i mean i guess you could have interpreted that way…but it was just an observation or criticism…and the topic was about being the arcades (the lack of) fault which obviously it isnt…you went off on a whole different tanget…when it comes down to it the real reason is just cause there isnt an understand of the game…and i did say it is mainly because they havent been exposed long enough to the game…which is talking to experience…maybe you missed that…
i had a long ass post but srk crashed or something and it got lost…
no one is talking about not helping people and not caring about anyone…that is just something that spawned out of your tangent…
i have and still sit down with people to talk about strategies, what works, and why etc…not so much in SF cause people dont really ask and when i do say things they already know it all…so then im like ok cool…i never turn anyone down to help…
anyway, comments like that shouldnt deter one from getting to the next level, it should fuel the fire, add to the motivation…i remember when people told me personally that i sucked…which is not as kind, it actually isnt even on the same level…all that did was it just made me want to get better…
im outi
Roberth
Let me put it this way; my rep just got back into the positives.
When you call ‘cheap’, you are crying about your inability to learn and move forward in the game. The last time I’ve cried cheap was in a netplay match over 3S and I was being mind-gamed to hell (standard wakeup procedure against me: 3 c.:lk: dash-in throw). The only way to know you’re getting better at something is when you can replace that situation you called cheap with a learning experience. Personally, there’ve been quite a few times that I’ve actually asked for advice after a beat-down.
Respect and honor are incredibly important factors from tournaments to even casual matches. Scrubs (“OMFG YOU CHEAP FAGGOT”) to pros (“you suck, gtfo”) are both guilty of disrespect and down-right flaming, and IMHO that just ruins the game. We’re out to have fun, not inflate our egos. Get it into gear.
I like your enthusiasm Jorge, unfortunately that’s not quite the way it works.
I’ve played smash for almost 5 years, I’ve seen so many faces come and go. I’ve met a lot of people who tell me they want to reach the pro level, and get to be as good as me.
So I show them tricks, tell them what to practice, and give them a game plan to reach the next level. Most of the time the people don’t keep up with it. They realize it takes too much work and they don’t have the time/energy/desire to do it.
Oh man, do you know how hard it is to show someone their bad habits? They get so defensive. It’s hard to teach people when they aren’t willing to learn.
I’ll just take the darwinism approach, and let the strong survive. I actually think it works out better that way. Instead of trying this whole “get the community together” kind of thing, let the players get good on their own. The rest will sort itself out.
everyone has a definition of the word scrub though. Most people use scrub as someone who thinks everyone should play fair and not cheap. My definition of the word scrub is someone who doesnt want to learn and doesnt want to get better.
This is completely true, I gave up on people with their complaining. But I did do something right for the community when Marvel was still with us. And that was to have people come over and play marvel on my old school(neil) arcade stick I used to have, back at my house back in the day. That and have people play down at tilt, when I used to work there that is. Also I may not have been the greatest player(still suck now) back then, but I did take advantage of having people coming over and what not. Also I’m not that super concerned with trying to get better at Street Fighter, I mean I still want HD Remix when it comes out. But the games I’m gonna try and focus on becoming better at are the following.
1-Smash Brawl-Well, sean’s still best in tucson and arizona at melee. So I’m gonna take full advantage of that, and try to get good at Brawl when it comes out. December 3rd bitches, I can’t wait!
2-Starcraft 2-I’m gonna make myself make sure I have a good enough cpu that can runs this bad ass game. I can’t wait to see more of the new terran units, and I can’t wait to play this game online. And maybe I’ll start looking into going to one of those cpu gaming places in town, that hopefully will have Starcraft 2 there.
So that’s my stand on this whole community thing, if anyone wants to get together for whatever reason or meet me or whatever. Then give me a call on my celly, my number is 309-7454. Just ask for Ryan when you call, or you can leave a message if I don’t answer. And leave a call back number too. Oh and for anyone who is wondering what I’d play. I’d play these games.
-Turd Strike-Really don’t care for this game, but whatever.
-Super Turbo-I’d play this game more then any other Street Fighter, so this one is the one I’d prefer most.
-Alpha 3-Suck royally at this game, but I’ll play anyways.
-MVC2-I haven’t played this game in some time, but I’ll still play I guess.
Oh and one more for General Deamond.
General Deamond-Next time you go to a bookman’s tourney, ask for donny. I don’t know if you remember him, if not just ask for him. If you talk to him tell him to call me on my cell. I’d like to talk with him sometime.
Scrubs, through a unique combination of total ignorance and not trying to figure out anything about the game they’re playing, manage to whine over every loss instead of figuring out how to get better at the game.
I think there’s a decent explanation in here: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=34750
He’s the guy who was getting all the MVS stuff right. Anyway you got it.
You guys think we can get somebody to record the semi finals/finals, get them uploaded to youtube, and post them here? That’d be pretty awesome.
Just an idea.
Shit I would but I can’t find my camcorder recharger. That thing’s been a couple hundred dollar paper weight for months now.
If you going to play SC2 most likely youll need a G5 Mac since I know you dont like PC’s, I hate PCs also. I dont think anyone in Tucson has a digital cam, I could bring my VCR to rec but dont know if james would let me.
Wouldn’t hurt to ask.
I haves a digital camcorder actually. I’ve recorded most of the GG tournies i’ve gone to, and they come out in fairly good quality (except when my arm gets tired or if I mess up the zoom). I’ve never uploaded anything onto Youtube, so i’m not too sure how that works. But I don’t mind trying, I have plenty of blank discs for it.
I have a tripod but its missing a piece it would help to bring one though, cause then it wouldnt look all shakey when you watch it.