I’m a pretty respected tourney organizer (been doing it 10 years) and I don’t really see any reason for an immediate ban.
My reasoning is this: ps3 is the clear cut tourney standard for the game right now. EVO sets that standard, and the fact that ps3 has an extra character should reenforce it. Also, the pad is better.
If you want to be serious about the game, why choose the inferior, non Evo standard version?
I just act like the xbox one doesn’t exist really.
Also, anyone showing up to Evo will have to bring a ps3 compatible controller, so not having kratos experience given that already significant investment is their own damn fault. It’s as simple as finding a buddy w a ps3.
He’ll be allowed in my tournaments.
Edit: daigo managed to win two very huge vanilla sf4 tournaments that allowed console exclusive characters that he had no experience against. Suck it up.
How did you become a respected tourney organizer with a thought process like that? Not every tourney will run PS3 only. And the reason its more widely used is because of the stick compatibility (that is now largely laughable now too), not which pad controller is best. So what if Microsoft paid big bucks for Evo? (The PDP $21k tourney is on…what? Xbox 360!)
Regardless, the high level MK community has banned Kratos from tourney play. Now i guess you will conform to the rules we make for our game, or good luck getting respectable talent at your tourneys.
Kratos is banned because of him being an console-exclusive character. It’s simple. Just because most tournaments are on PS3 doesn’t mean everyone HAS the game on PS3…people do just pack converters or dual mod for that specific purpose…or just borrow controllers/sticks from everyone else. Not everyone has both consoles and not everyone plays in groups that have both consoles. Allowing Kratos is just fucking over those players. Don’t get how anyone can’t see that.
Also, that Daigo argument is not very valid. That scenario is 100% different in that the game was CONSOLE SFIV, which can be considered an entirely different version of SFIV compared to Arcade SFIV (Because it pretty much is).
You cannot force people to buy a console to practice against a console exclusive character. The “Mortal Kombat” series hasn’t seen a tournament worthy fighter in a over a decade. Most serious players are exclusively on 360 because UMK3 was available on it and not PSN. If you have been blindly following rules for the past 10 years, then maybe it is time to update your rulebook.
Wow, should I respond to this?
There are plenty of options for 360, pad and stick, other than the standard wireless controller.
You cannot simply choose to think that players only own an xbox do not exist. You are completely unrealistic and your lack of thought towards the matter shows.
You know damn well it’s not “as simple as finding a buddy w a ps3”. You are saying that every player will have to be a PS3 owner or potentially lose to a character that they have no experience against. It is an unfair advantage, and you would be foolish to ignore it.
Comparing DAIGO to regular every day players is some **stupid **shit and I expected better from you.
Also, this whole “EVO sets the standard for tournaments” talk is stupid as well, everybody knows that most tournaments are run on 360 and that EVO has their own reasons for running it on PS3.
Still doesn’t account for the fact that there will be 360 users who simply can’t afford another system, let alone another system just to play a game they already have on the 360.
The only way it would be a “choice” is if a person owns both systems. It’s fine to act like the 360 doesn’t exist, but you’re just deluding yourself, ignoring reality. Many people have only one system, a 360 or PS3.
PS3 compatible controller costs way less than a PS3. Even a converter will cost you less than that.
That isn’t even in the same realm as the issue at hand. SF4 arcade to SF4 console was pretty much a different game, with what, 9 more characters? That alone makes your statement here the equivalent of just some stream monster hugging Daigo’s nuts. But even in the same sentence you’re saying “Daigo did it, anyone can do it!”. Please, come back to reality, sir.
I become a respected tourney organizer by running well attended, well-run tournaments for 10 years. I also have my opinions.
I have no problems getting “high level talent” to show to my tournaments, because all it takes for them to show is a large prize pool and a standard double elim tournament. You telling me you wouldn’t go to that PDP tourney if it was PS3 and they allowed Kratos? Bullshit. If EVO decided to allow him, would you boycott? No, if you thought you had a shot to win you’d find a way to practice. If that mean buying a used PS3 for 229$, then so be it.
High level players will come to win money, and play with the rules of the tournament to win. The only people who won’t show are those that would rather whine on a forum than show anyway, or those people that had no chance at winning regardless.
The “only” people who will have a “extensive matchup experience” with every character are the ones who are going to be in contention to win and would probably go out of their way to practice against him if they thought him a problem. Normal people (i.e. everyone arguing on this thread), perhaps fighting a Stryker (or the DLC characters) would be just as unfamiliar as fighting Kratos. That’s why the Daigo example is valid. Only true elite players will have “extensive matchup experience” with every character on the roster with only 3 months of gameplay.
Also, the “high level MK community” as you know will cease to exist when Mk9 drops. It’ll be all new players, and a lot of pad warriors. Some will stick around because of innate talent and practice, but it’s not like MK9 is remotely like UMK3.
A lot of you have boo hooed the Daigo example, but it applies to every japanese player that attended EVO tournaments. They didn’t complain, they just won. They didn’t go “boo hoo ban the console characters b/c we play on a different format and don’t want to buy consoles”. The console version was exactly like the arcade with the addition of the new characters.
The tournament is double elimination and best 2 of 3 for a reason. Man the hell up. If you have the ability to play in a PS3 tournament (i.e. EVO), you have the ability to gain Kratos experience.
Do I know you Shoryu? How would you expect better of me?
If you are setting your tournament rules by opinion, then the self-proclaimed, “well-respected” title you so dearly love is most likely just another opinion of your own.
Just like the GG community vanished when BB came out. Or how the SF guys went and dominated in Melty when that was added to EVO. Or how we all remember Wong, Valle, and Daigo tearing up the Soul Caliber scene for the years when it was at EVO.
Hell, maybe MK9 will really take off just like SFIV and we will see all of those top SF guys completely drop off the scene while eight guys nobody has ever heard of will all make the finals at EVO.
Yeah, it’s going to be exactly like that. Give me a fucking break.
You are totally welcome to be the only one in the community who runs the game with a non standard rule set. But don’t act like you know shit about the game or it’s community.
I run tourneys in VA, and have helped out running brackets in numerous majors like ECC and EVO.
Hah. Even more salt.
No, I’m not going to force some rule on a tournament if the players don’t want it. I have my opinions, but I cater to my players. But if every player shows up and feels that Kratos should be banned and doesn’t pick Kratos, what difference does it make if he’s actually allowed?
Lucky, what percentage of great ST players are also good at SFIV? Like 2%? I can think of Valle, and that one tourney Choi decided to do well in before he decided he didn’t like SFIV.
Shit, most of the top 3S players won’t even play the CONSOLE version of the game here in the states.
The players don’t vanish, but the elites change. It’s impossible not to if some people invested so much time into X game, that they don’t make the transition to new Y game.
It’s hilarious how you tried to justify your point about Daigo. Even my point aside, that is maybe only a handful of players entering a tournament. Handful =/= a good chunk of players.
Idk why you talk about the PDP tournament. Who is going to that tournament besides big names? Nobody. Why? Because the tournament rules are already pretty messed up and cut out a VERY large portion of the people who will be playing anyway. And I’m pretty sure people wouldn’t play at the EVO tournament either.
Tell me this, if you’re so experienced with organizing tournaments…how come it is so hard for you to understand allowing a console-exclusive character to be played at the expense of the number of players who WON’T have the experienced. Really…do you not see how stupid it sounds to shell out $229 or whatever for a console and however much for the game just to gain experience vs 1 character and nothing else?
Come on…you’ve got to have more sense than what you’re letting on.
EDIT: ALSO! Yeah, we sure are hating…learn wtf hate actually is.
The “official” standard is whatever people want to run it on. And since the community is split pretty evenly between both consoles we will see it played on both.
People can use whatever rules they want, but the majors and larger tourneys have already decided that Kratos will be banned.
There’s not really anything to argue at this point.
I know Alex is running a launch tourney with Kratos in just for fun and that’s no big deal, but he’s not allowing him at CEO.
High level players would adjust, practice, and win anyway. They’re coming for the money so the rules don’t matter so much. Medium level players have holes in their game and wouldn’t have extensive matchup experience against certain characters anyway. These are the ones who would bitch the most if they lost and blame the actual character instead of the player. Low level players won’t play outside of their system of choice regardless so it doesn’t matter for them either.
What I’m saying it doesn’t really matter if you ban him or not, unless he turns out to be top tier or something (not looking likely according to reports)
And no matter what, there will be plenty of lower caliber PS3 tournaments that won’t have the wits to ban kratos and the same people will win anyway.
Or even another example. Local PS3 tournament 20-30 players and there’s 4 or so new first time tourney players that want to play as him. I don’t really see the fault in allowing it. It’s like early SC4 allowing Darth Vader. He was cool, but kinda sucked anyway, so who cares?
I use daigo as the example b/c it’s the most obvious parellel of someone going to a tournament w/ new characters that he wasn’t used to, and winning anyway despite the best competition actively using that against him.
Anywho, i’m done here. I’m sure my opinion is contrary to the “establishment”, and I’ll put it to a vote to the players in my local community when we do our first tourney for it.
Note that when I say “official”, I mean any tournaments being run in conjunction with, or being sanctioned by WB itself, such are the Cineplex launch tournaments in Canada. What the standard for player-run tournaments is depends, like you said, on who’s running it.
