But some stages were stupid ie: rumble something… It felt like I was fighting the stage instead of the opponent.
Um items, while I do feel like I lost to items (fucking tingle throwing out hammers like it was garbage), I enjoyed it but I can see where it can become annoying, doing awesome in a match then to watch the guy get a star out of no where and become invincible especially on FD >.>
Smash Balls…I don’t hate them, I killed my self with one but that was my fault. (marth fs + Lag+ not knowing how to cancel it on flatzone 2 = by by Marthy boy)
That’s exactly what happened to me. Tooting my own ego horn, most of the people in the tourney I could have beat one on one, but Raph took me out earlier on.
Interesting… I never knew it worked that way. From personal experience I have no lag when playing against players in same state or in proximity, so I thought distance was a factor.
I think you’re misunderstanding me, probably because I wasn’t being completely on topic. I wasn’t addressing EVO rules, or the unofficial tournament directly, just private tournies that we would organize on the boards. If someone knew that they would have a laggy match and still pursued to play, there is nothing wrong with that (especially since this unofficial tourney is simply a detailed playtest), but I know some people just wouldn’t like to lose because of lag.
I just think if we were doing an online tourney, that we should address lag, that is all. I wasn’t making an opinion into law.
Thats just not what happened at all. I took a risk picking up lightning and pika grew. i took another getting the assist and it backfired on ME, and i foolishly grabbed the warpstar in a time where something unknown was going to happen. I cost me the match by making bad choices in a situation where id have been better off just fighting. i call it inexperience.
please dont think i had anyone other than myself to blame or that loss.
I have to agree with Keits, there are some times when I’m playing with items I -know- I shouldn’t be doing something because I need to wait… but I do it anyway. Sometimes you just need to chill and wait for that pokeball to fully open instead of charging blindly at your foe. Sometimes you need to ignore an item and hit the other person away before trying to grab it. Hell sometimes you need to eat a nikita missle to stop snake from getting the FS.
Also, about wario dying to the bomb… whenever a bomb activates on the screen there is a distinct noise that goes along with it. If you make sure to listen for it avoiding becomes much more easy.
One more thing, I can usually tell when an item has formed offscreen because when one does the screen seems to shift it’s focus. I don’t catch it everytime so I’m not sure if it always happens, but sometimes I just can tell.
[edit] Have to add one more thing. I played Raph twice in the same tournament, once in winners bracket and once in the finals. I lost both times. I admit Raph is the better player… FOR NOW… and even with all the items on he still managed to win. Either way, let’s hope that nintendo manages to somehow improve the lag abit. Playing on the Mario Bros stage was ridiculous, Raph managed to out turtle spam me and I simply could not react dodge because having abit of lag makes it extremely hard. The first time I died I had no idea you couldn’t shield the turtles when they are thrown, the second time I just couldn’t dodge.
What really sucks is I forgot to save that match and the pictochat match, I most of the finals though.
Meh. I could do way worse, but this thread is already stupidly acerbic–emphasis on “stupid”–for next to no reason. I mean, at least alphazealot, who I constantly disagree with, doesn’t come as a prick.
And, really, I can barely stand people saying unwarranted positive things about me, much less morons doing it.
It’s all negativity from me, baby, all the time.
CRAWLING IN MY SKIN! THESE WOUNDS, THEY WILL NOT HEAL!
UNLESS, I EAT A MAXIM TOMATO, WHOSE TEXTURE I CAN FEEL!
Om nom nom.
I forget, who did you lose to in the loser’s bracket?
I think that’s only for certain items, but, yeah, there a lot of audio and visual clues for potential death that you can easily avoid if you’re paying attention.
I still don’t see why so many people die to the cars on F-Zero because of this.
I would place special emphasis on “think”, but other than, yeah, I agree with you on the lag thing.
Especially if AF wants to join. :lovin:
Rumble Falls.
And it’s because you are, which is why it and Mushroomy Kingdom will ultimately be banned, though I would rather us try and mess around with them first before we come to that “inevitable” verdict.
Regardless, Rumble Falls is much better than Infinite Mountain.
Why must the Ice Climbers have such deadly stages? :looney:
Great tournament. I lost 0-6 in the tournament and didn’t hang around for the Round Robin but, as a new player to smash(having casually played it in the past and having run a melee tournament) I can honestly say I lost cause I suck. I’m not that good at Smash just yet and it will take me time to get better. Thankfully there’s no particularly tough execution to memorize(a roadblock of mine in other fighting games), or anything like that. My problem is hesitation. I just need to not hesitate and I think I’ll do fine.Other than that, the feedback I got from the people that arped me was pretty constructive(I fly around too much with R.O.B. was one piece of feedback I remember). I really felt that I just need to learn my match-ups with the characters I play. Ranbats?
Im all for items, I feel its what makes Smash Bros what it is, and not knowing whats gonna happen during a match is what makes me want to play more. Without items, the games will just be boring to watch and wont be as fun. If I want to see some real competitive fighters, then thats what Street Fighter is for.
Smash bros was never designed to be a fighting game ala street fighter or Tekken, its a unique fighter that was designed to be played with more than one person. Wake up people, Its a multiplayer game, not a 1vs1 game. Its like saying saying Metroid Prime is a first person shooter, when in reality its a First Person Adventure. The adventure aspect of Prime made me enjoy it more than Halo, but thats just me.
i am nut stupid. **u got lucky bcuz items were allowed in this tournament. ** i bet you if you play next week, some random scrub will peace you out. really, ANYONE can use items, its EZ.
take away those items and u’d probably never win. raph wood b #1 every week, like he should be.
I will make one argument against audible signals for items being a reason for knowing better. It’s easily noticeable when you’re at your home and you can hear the audio perfectly fine, no crossnoise interfering, but when you come to a live tournament location, where not only will you have A LOT of crossnoise, as you do in most tourneys, but that audible noise probably won’t be heard at all due to the lack of significant audio in your personal game due to how low the audio is typically left. I can’t think of many games played where that audible noise was your only indicator of something amiss. I don’t know how valuable that audible noise is 'til I can no longer hear it to find out.
kwaza, the only reason u one was bcuz of items. take away those items and u aint nothin.
seriously, do u no how many times i threw my controller at the tv after dying to some randomness? bs i tell you. i hate it everytimei dye to randomness. i cant stand it. sometimes i just go on smashboards, show people how i died, and get more people to be pissed off with me.
have any of u guys tried playing fighting games without supers? u might like the fact that being able to build meter by whiffing attacks makes the game better.
Actually yes, I have played with no items, and yes, its still fun to play that way, BUT like I said before, its just not as fun as with Items. Its the aspect of not knowing whats gonna happen during a match that makes it fun. There are a few items that I feel may be taken out of tourneys, such as the hammers, and bomb crates, but thats about it.
First of all, learn to spell WON correctly. Secondly, how do u know I suck without items, for all you know, I may be better than you. Magic word is (may) because we havent even played yet. But just by the way you talk, I dont want to even play you, I hate sore losers actually .
Ive been beaten by good players with items on but you never see me throwing my remote at the tv or swearing off my lungs, Lifted Research is one such good player who has beaten me last time we played, but you dont see me complaining about my loses to him, in fact, I praise his good Lucario, best one ive seen around here.
There is so much irony in this thread it hurts. SRK calling another community “Elitist” is bordering on hilarious. I personally think items are great fun and wouldn’t mind playing them in a side tourney, but for real tourney play its fairly obvious they should be off. The way we have attacked Kaliera players who questioned our tiers and ideas about some of the older fighters makes this thread really bizarre.
I don’t know what you mean by “cheat to win” but shouldn’t we be trying to find all the things that are unfair? And if something is unfair, shouldn’t we give people incentive to prove it? I personally think playing to win is often abusing the best stuff. I don’t see how lessening the incentive to win encourages people to find/exploit broken stuff.
I like your attitude because it encourages you to get better and not blame other factors for your loss, but I don’t agree completely with what you said.
Taking the lightning is a risk, yes, and there sometimes is a random consequence. If you like this kind of item, then fine. It seems you’re willing to live with it. But I see this as evidence of an item that is not only unfair but really random. I suppose both players could choose not to take it, but why have an item that no one wants (unless they’re so far behind that they’re willing to roll the dice?)
I do not think taking the assist trophy should be a risk. They’re exactly the strong kind of randomness that I feel should be taken out. Plus, none of the assist trophies are technically bad. Tingle may have backfired on you but technically what he did was fair for both players. So assist trophies are basically good for whoever can grab them first, and you can’t take it from someone else if it spawns closer to them.
I do not think taking the warpstar was a bad thing. Aiming it at your opponent after hammers started flying was.
Again, I like your attitude, but despite your inexperience I think this match potentially showed why some of the items, in my opinion, need to be turned off. However, I can understand if just one match isn’t enough evidence.
Cynt already pointed out the tournament cross-noise factor, so I’ll just point this thing out: When the noise happened to signal a bob-omb starting to walk (which you never get a chance to see, by the way, before it started walking) Wario got his bite move on Pika at the exact same time. I suspect that this made it harder to notice.
You can check the vid and hear it. It’s actually quite funny when you know what’s going on.
From the way some people describe it I’d be surprised.
And this still does nothing to address my point about running a tournament with no items.
AND FUCKING THANK YOU Chaos for that post, Srk is really backwards sometimes. Out of all places this was one of the last that I’d expect to see things like this, I couldn’t even believe some stuff I saw at first.
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