Thanls to AK for recording the CTF tournaments anyway this is my match against
eric “Smoothvyper”. Got my ass owned… but whatever!!!
First match ME (joe Doe)Blackheart/cable/capcom VS. ERIC Cable/Sentinel/capcom
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There is a second match but whatever, this vids displays the kind of blackheart that i play.
Very fast paced, almost rushdown kind of blackheart. Enjoy!!!
Also if anyone has any comments please, do post!!!:wgrin:
I incorporate that style of play into my gameplay but not with the team you’re using. that’s better left for when you’re calling doom. if you go back and watch the vid again you’ll see how that would be more effective.
also, you shouldn’t be calling your assist first against a cable. you should be counter calling yours so that it comes on the screen and hits theres right after theres does the attack. this should be followed by the appropriate form of assist protection.
lastly, no hod on cable. you probably thought that he wouldn’t get the meter but it’s still better to just not do it.
all this said, I see potential. I bet you’d have a sick ass bh/cab/doom
thanx lovepig78, and blackheart king you are right about the assisst calling. However about playing doom…well not so much. Playing doom where i play at will not get me very far, Cause i’ve tried. Doom is very easy to get passed by, unless you have strider doom should be left alone. That is if we are talking about competitive play.
And about the assisst calling…well believe it or not i am reckless for a reason. IF cable has one or two meter i call my assit so he would do his AHVB. When he is done cable is all for the taking, cause cable without meter is a dead cable!! Besides i can use either AAA from cable or capcom if either is low in life or dead, and still be able to win a match.
i want to bring blackheart to the rushdown arena, not a demon throwing running man game thatblackheart is subjected to. And to do rushdown with blackheart you can’t always be to careful otherwise you won’t get anywhere.
i mean it may not look like in the vid But Erick “smoothvyper” is one of the top players in the east cost currently, And on top of that he was playing team SCRUB, the worst match up for blackheart. And if you saw the vid i could have won only if i didn’t missed that roundhouse with cable.
By the way HERE is The second match against Eric.
Joedoe(or Bear!!)cable/blackheart/cyclops vs. Eric “snoothvyper” cable/sentinel/capcom
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this one is a really bad loss…but whateverit does show my playing style though.
But whatever a loss is a loss, and Thanx For the critisim Blackheartking, i really appreciated it.
yeah man, you rush so hard. I think that’s why I prefer storm over cable, I can short short storm instead of short short capcom.
Like BHK said doom rocks or sent drones serves much nicer if you want to do rush down.
my BH vs. cable plays different. I try and bait super jumps so that I can double ground dash and get in. then short short assist -> roundhouse demon -> mixup back into short short assist lock him.
EDIT: and stop trigger fingering those AHVBs. what a waste.
About your first comment, how do you fail with Doom? If you play Doom-B anyway near how you utilized your assists in your vid (in your own words, ‘recklessly’), he won’t do you any good. When used in conjunction with a gameplan geared towards covering certain avenues of space and maintaining blockstun, he will do Blackheart/Cable wonders, imho.
Very dangerous tactic you mention above as far as using your assists as AHVB food just to empty Cable’s ‘click.’ Try baiting an AHVB just by the way you move. A lot of times Cable will be itching to drop it. If you do want to use your assist to truly bait, drop them in front of Cable and move behind him to catch him on the rear. Also, just a note, your Captain Commando assist could profit you more if you played a patient game with Cable/Blackheart, which you don’t seem to fit. Maybe try Cyc-aa. I also don’t believe Cable w/o meter is dead. He can still be quite effective, and it is well known. Again, all imho. Good upload.
no problem man. you can bait those AHVBs and punish THEM using the assist calling tactic I told you b/c you’re already sjing when you call your assist. this way, if they AHVB you’re over them in prime rape position. If they sj after you you and your assist is safe. and if they stay on the ground for some reason, you can further punish their assist.
go on youtube and look up demon overdose where I’m using bh/cab/doom. the rush down I’m doing on sent also works on cable b/c the rocks stop assist b4 they attack and you’re always coming down on top. takes practice, but it’s mad good and builds meter pretty fast.
Nice JoeDoe, I thought that was you from reading your posts.
One thing that I think works regardless of who you’re using: never give up! I’ve won many matches w/ t. bonne left vs. 2 or 3 characters. Commando’s even better than T. Bonne on point, so never throw in the towel.
Your BH is good man. I say keep it up. You almost got Erik there. BTW, I used to use Bh/cable/cyc a lot back in the days when Boston came up with it. It’s one of the few teams I consider tournament worthy, myself. Cable really benefits from BH assist, even if you’re left without a real AAA behind that.
First, Thanks AK for the kind words. You would never think that from that team you would get such results. I mean i use to use it a couple of years back Strider/cable/T.bonne, and the key to every thing is to constantly force your opponenet into t.bonne without doing to many hits. Cause as you know the more hits your opponent gets before t.bone hits them, the less the damage t.bone will do. It is a very hard game to keep up but you seem to be doing just fine.
Judge, thanks for the advice. I went back to the drawing board and gave doom another chance and i believe i can work with him. However, if we are talking about rushdown doom actually does the opposite. Capcom on the other hand hit anything within a 1/4 of the screen.
And if they don’t get hit, they stay in block stun for a micro sec. or two. Long enough for me to do a quick super jump and dash to start the rushdown process again. Cyclops is mor for the defensive senario like if i am fighting magneto or so.
By the way, like i said before my calling assisst tactics are very,very…very reckless but they work 90% of the time. The reason is, is that my opponent can’t really figure out my game plan, they see my assisst right in front of them, they can punish it but they think that i know that they can do that so that means that i want them to do that. So in order for them to figure out my tactics they tend to play very conservative which is what i want. Since blackheart was never ment for rushdowns, he doesn’t have many tools to work with. And fighting an opponent who is unsure how to respond to my wave of attacks gives me enough of an edge to beat them.
However, you are right on how to call assisst and protect them. I know how to do such a thing, i mean i’ve been playing this game for a while now. But thanks for the advice, and remeber sometimes to get an edge in anything you have to risk everything. That is how i play now days, since back in the day i use to play just like you said i should play. But i didn’t get very far and my game was nothing but predictable.
Blackheart king i saw your stuff man, and let me tell you that you are very good!!! i actually downloaded a couple of your match vids. If it’s no trouble can you post them on this thread and sort of give a small rundown as to what is the most important thing that those who want to play Blackheart at a competitive level should do. Cause is one thing to talk about it an another is to see it.
BHking and I will be collaborating in a vid very soon. hopefully adressing all of BH mistakes and how to play him at “tourny level.” might be throwing random goodies. so keep an eye out for that in the near future
Yea, BH/Cyc used to be more effective, but that was back when Cable/Cyc was pretty good on its own. That was back before Sentinel or Spiral were even discovered to be useful(or Mag/Storm even). Cable was king back then. Nowadays, it’s not so much, but oh well, I still think it gets the job done if you’re careful.
Really,you used Strider/Cable/Tron before? I would never have known. I like the mixup possibilities more than anything else.
I definitely agree that CF could see more BH users(I don’t use bh/cable/cyc as much), as it’s not too hard to get OCV with BH there. The few players that do know how to play against bh, though, rape him pretty bad.
I totally agree with you. Only thing is, as you said, ‘sometimes.’ So, you guys have played or seen Sanford’s Blackheart? From what I have read, it’s gdlk. I just don’t understand how all of a sudden the master Blackheart has arrived when he has already been in play for so long. Is he doing anything new? Is that possible? I’m sure, with his knowledge of strategies, holes, and counters, he plays quite smartly. haha
well, lovepig, thanks and i will be in the look out for it. However i meant, that i wanted to see actual tournament footage for as you know casual and tournament game is on completely different levels. th pressure alone in the tournament scene can dwindle your ability to play by half alone, and that is not counting who you are paired against. If they are reallly good and you know it, even before the game you are fighting to keep your self from giving up before playing.
I mean when i was playing against eric, i was constantly fighting my self from rushing him too much because i was going to mess up eventually. But as you saw in the footage i couldn’t keep it together too well, hence i kept wasting tholse AHVBs.
And AK, You have a pretty good Blackheart/cable/sangief! I actaully stole it from you for a while. Sangief Mecha. mode is nasty!!, it can’t be stopped by any assisst. The only problem is getting him in to mecha. mode before someone rapes him. But i believe in that team you should bring it back man!!!
Judge…believe it or not i’ve seen Sanford’s Blackheart and well it’s not there yet. Blackheart is not like magneto, it’s a completely different game style. I don’t think he is used to it yet, but once he does he will show us something good ill tell ya.
joe… I’ve only played in a couple tournies b/c they’re always during the times that I’m at church. But I’ll tell you this. Those vids you saw were not me in top form.
We were playing on bad controls.
The two I was playing have known me since mvc2 came out and know how to play against my BH better than anyone else.
I play better in tournaments b/c I actually have something to lose by losing (no more playing time). I never feel pressure or intimidated b/c it’s just a game to me (that’s why I only play like once every week or two). Lovepig can vouch for this, no matter how serious I seem (I like to get hyphy) I won’t play 100% serious until it’s in a tourny or some one’s really getting on my nerves.
okay having typed out that essay lol, I think it would be easier for you to post a vid that you have questions on, and I’ll give the rundown on what I’m doing. Those vids are accurate enough to how I’d play him against the top players round here anyways.
senor pig… I’m beginning the catalog process of what’s to be in the vid right after the post. I’ll pm it to you or something when I’m done.
Thanks JoeDoe. I agree with you 100%. If you don’t get mech zangief, you’re screwed. But if you get it and can safely switch Cable or BH in (like during hail storm, my favorite time haha), then it’s all good.
You’ve actually inspired me to give BH a try again seeing how you faired pretty well against people (and myself last last tourney, lol).
You guys also have to avoid HOD on a team with a cable on it. Heres a tip for everyone since i havent seen it mentioned.
This is strictly for someone who blocks HOD.
If your opponent has atleast 2 meters, they can tech hit into Cable to take the last hit of HOD so that when FS happens cables in the match to punish Blackheart.
I dont think its much to worry about seeing as how ive never seen anyone do it. If your opponent has too little life to risk it or not enough meter than you have nothing to worry about. It’s just good to know.
That definitely happens from time to time with enough life/meter. More basic though, some of the CF players first have to learn to AHVB out of inferno xx HoD. If I remember correctly, this can be done without even push blocking. You just block the inferno then AHVB. Or at the least, push block, then free ahvb/jump out/dash out.
I’m all for more anti-bh at CF or anywhere. That’ll only make the BH players like myself work harder/smarter.
joe doe: You’re better off rushing down with a team like BH/Cab/Cyke(Doom) than with Commando…especially against Scrub. With the team you’re using I’d much rather play the waiting game and peg 'em with Cap seldomly! You have the BH tactics down when it comes to fighting Cable (despite the HoD) so you mosdef have the potential to bringing the other BH mindset to light.
BTW…you probably already know who I am…I saw ya the day before that tourney, but I had the kid with me so my attention was taken. Good shit with the matches you’ll get it sooner or later…
Deth-scynyde, i think i do know you!! I haven’t seen you play in a while it must be because of the fatherly duties. BTW you have cute kid!!! Good for you man.
AK, sorry i am not from jersey, i am and always have been a Bronx boy( GAMEPOINT BITCHES!!!) And do bring back your Mecha-gief-team (see i gave it a name LOL!)
J360 wats up man! i didn’t know that you were a blackheart fan!! Well maybe not but from what you told me the last time, you seem to like using him with magneto. I have been toying around with MAgs/blackheart/sentinel, and to tell you the truth i have barely lost with that team. I havent played top players yet, but to beat your normal CF scrub with a team that on paper shouldn’t even work wel together…Well i don’t know…it’s still just a tryout i mean i am sorry to say but magneto is too broken for my taste.
Deth-scynyde, i think i do know you!! I haven’t seen you play in a while it must be because of the fatherly duties. BTW you have cute kid!!! Good for you man.
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Thanx bro…I usually don’t play at CF often for 2 reasons: the sticks are ass and I’m far better on console so I prefer DC. If you want to take up Magnus while keeping BH in the game you should also try Mag/BH/Cyke (forgot the guys’ name that used the team a while back but he made that team GOOD!!).
SO yeah, one day I’ll have to set something up so I play ya on console…I’ll try at CF one day but I’d much rather play on the scrub machine (that being the best machine in CF atm)…I’ll prolly still get my ass handed to me though lmao…peace…