If you shrug one more time Clayton I will remove your shoulders from you body permanently.
:annoy: :annoy: :annoy:
^ lol! 
I for one am happy about AE. See some bison getting pwned hopefully. It’s also interesting to see who will “pussy out” and who will stand their ground with another character. Are the ST-heads over there gonna switch to different characters for this? Who knows.
I think SBO will be THE test for this game. We all said it’s broke, but maybe it won’t be what we expect.
i understand jerons point as well as the opposing point.
i mean jeron i undersatnd where you are coming from 100%, i used to think that way until i went to japan and saw waht the deal was.
two countries with two different scenes and theyre tryig to push it from a corporate standpoint.
i used to think the same way as you jeron and that the japs were biased torwards us about sbo but im not sure thats the case, there is too much evidence to the contrary, HOWEVER, i dont think jeron is totally at fault for thinking that way.
read on some tekken blogs (well not me, others supposedly) last year that korea’s experience in t5:dr was kinda crappy, while they didnt make excuses for losing in general, some of the korean blogs were “supposedly” translated and it said the koreans 1) lost because they were tooo nervous, 2) reason why they did so bad is because they were promised usage of korean sticks to get installed then they were promptly denied at tourney time and had to play on japanese stick
of course they had the aftermath at joybox and niggas seemed to be going at it fine, but whatever.
then random japs saying korea only won cause 5.0 steve is broken, etc…dunno if it turned into some racial stuff or whatever, but the drama was really funny regardless…
lot of people clamed the koreans were only playing at 30% - 85% of their potential but that could just be the fanboys talking.
Jeron, you really need to head out there with me sometime. I used to think the same way as you until I headed out there and saw what the deal was. I think they should have ST too but I really feel that AE is way more popular there. In the Tokyo area I had a hard time finding cabinets dedicated to ST (outside of More, which is not the hotspot it used to be when I Was there because of it being 100 yen.) AE cabinets were spread out around the city though with random killers coming through sometimes (and a lot of scrubs also but whatever.)
of course in the end, even if i disagree with the rules you cant deny that sbo is a good thing for the fighting game community.
while it “arguably” makes the japs look good they are fronting up the money and its on their country their rules so whatever. i mean i understand your point but i really wouldnt complain here about it beacuse dont sbo directors read these threads? 
besides, if you really think about it, foreign countries have a chance to take a few of the games if they can play on japanese sticks. sure its 1 or a few foreign team against a zillion japs and its one game, but IMAGINE if you go there and mash their heads in on center stage. Shit would be priceless, no? Cmon, you’ve all seen those SBO dvds, shit is like WWF Wrestlemania type production.
Here are the games that foreigners could have a chance in.
- KOF98 = usa probably wont get a spot and there are way more countries deserving than us despite the fact that there are small pockets of 30+ asians that play hardcore in certain parts of the usa and arent interested in tourneys, itll be interesting to see what the other asian countries do. This is REALLY A WORLDWIDE game…and when was the last time there was a worldwide KOF tourney? snk niggas can never get it together in that aspect, with the rest of he asian countries having nationals amongst themselves, and mexicans playing among mexicans (other hispanics as well) beacuse of money issues, there is no TRUE central srk for the snk community etc. I"d love to see Mexico or some Latin American country go to SBO just because…Latin Americans (and Mexicans) have been talking about how they are the SHIT in kof for yearsssssssssssss and never got a chance to back it up, im sure that would be entertaining for everyone. plus the asian drama from other countries is always good for this game. Japan has a good scene for 98 but I think anyone can take this game.
HSF2: okay, the wolfe brothers and nelson raped everyone this year…yeah there were no AE experts there but who cares, USA won at something. If anything, this should just give us incentive to start up some teams for AE here to send the USA over to see what is really really fucking good. And come on, I know SRK wants to see how the Wolfe Brothers (and a select few other SRKers) do in Japan against their finest. Even though it’s A3…when was the last time that Japan’s SF2 experts ever played against America’s SF2 experts? USA vs Japan 2000?? (not counting Gian @ evo, of course.)
Besides, if we are really that good, we can get spots for Japan’s last chance quals like Justin and Ricky did at SBO3 raping Issei for last chance qualifier, hold that shit.
SC3AE = dunno much about this game, but isnt it played worldwide by USA/Europe etc? isnt the international scene good for SC series in general? HeartNana, can you or anyone elaborate on this? tho I Guess sc3ae is a different game, and has limited release in the western world, so I dunno.
T5:DR - comeon, you all know we have to run shit back. While 1 game matches for this game is terrible, its balanced out by the fact that 3 people are on your team. Another game with a large worldwide presence. USA didnt get a spot for this game last year due to “politics” and there are scenes for this game worldwide, especially since the game is out on PS3 now. Besides, this has always been a hotly contested game worldwide…whats really good. USA always has Tekken specialists that take it to Japan’s finest (like ChetChetty or USA people mashing in JPN’s heads at Evo/Norcal Strongstyle) - they beat team NoRespect - despite the fact that there is limited comp for the game due to the death of arcades - usa players have not played each other all in one place beacuse of this logistical reason. Plus other foreign countries are strong as well. Korea lost last year in the first round so of course niggas are gonna wanna see whats REALLY REALLY good.
Personally, I think Japan is fucking strong as hell in this game right now. Fanboys keep sleeping on JPN due to them sucking in Tekken in the past on some retarded fanboy shit, but the facts dont lie, DR has been #1-#2 on Arcadia’s list for the PAST YEAR in terms of revenue, and that means they have the largest pool of players everywhere in the world, and that cannot be discounted. What does #1-#2 mean? means dr is practically at almost every arcade that matters, and when i was in tokyo over the summe rit was EVERYWHERE, with constant comp at practically every arcade from random ppl. I’m fairly new to Tekken series myself, but I have never played so many character specific experts in any game…anywhere. wanna see if overseas countries can overcome the odds again.
So yeah, get fucking hyped or something 
Heres the results (courtsey of NKI) of the HSF2 3v3 tournament at X-maniaVII held eariler this year.
1st place team:
Yankee (CE Dic)
Gian (ST Sim)
Ikehata (ST Boxer)
2nd place team:
The Super Star (ST Boxer)
Oto Chun (ST Chun)
ARG (ST Claw)
3rd place team:
Grandpa (ST Ryu)
Mao (WW Guile)
Hopping Maniac (HF Ryu)
This is only the top 3 teams, but if thats anything to go by, then a good two thirds used ST characters. Its good to see WW guile up there, since he doesn’t suffer from the old boom and flash kick glitch as he is does in the ps2 port (although you can get round this with kara cancelling, but who can be bothered with that :P), he’s a much more viable character, but still suffers from no wake up reversals. However theres a CE bison in the winning team, but with ST Sim and ST boxer in his team, i wonder how much part he played in getting them the win, i guess when the dvd comes out we will find out.
Nope. You’re not the only one. My bro & I were talking about this the other night. He brought up the single most interesting point that could make AE all the more intriguing. Choosing AE might actually result in CPS1 Japan greats actually turning out for this. Yea, I said CPS1 Jap players. That alone is validation for AE being chosen. We already know about the all the great Jap ST players. But what about the great Jap SF2 players? I’ve always been curious about those players.
As for AE in general (from a tourney standpoint)…I still say just allow players to vote which mode (ie WW, HF, SSF2) they want and make it a specific mode only tourney. Odds are that would eliminate CE (Bison, nuff said), WW (no mirror matches), and ST (because as alluded to over & over again, it’s not true ST!). That would leave us with HF or SSF2. Which gives us SF2 either way. I think doing that would eliminate some of the distaste people have for this game.
I’ve been wandering NYC for comp since 94, and I left for Japan back in 2001. I’ve been back since then with only a couple of homecomings, so you’ll have to ask other people from CF, or even my boy Arturo over there who I am. So, I’ve been around quite a while, and I have experience in talking about BOTH scenes even though I’ve been far more active since I came here. This is pointless to argue about.
In the eyes of many you have been posting nonsense here. You really need to listen to what Art posted, because people fear and pointlessly hate what they don’t understand. There was no reason for you to say some of the shit you did about Japan’s players and their scene when you don’t know what’s going on and you honestly didn’t know what the players were saying back then. And what I’ve done at comp level has nothing to do with anything either, but I have qualified for SBO before and were it not for my trip back for more job training back at the beginning of this year I probably would’ve qualified again. I’ve placed top 3 at several Tekken and KoF tournies between Okinawa and Tokyo that also have nothing to do with this discussion. Where are we going with this?
Unfortunately, I don’t owe you anything, despite what you’ve done in NYC, and vice versa, you don’t owe me shit. But I’m not gonna let someone who doesn’t know what’s really up spout bullshit like you were earlier. It wasn’t a matter of “me going there” or “disrespect” but there’s some things that can’t be passed off as fact. What you were saying earlier needed to be fixed.
What’s funny is this happened last year, and the year before, just the names have changed. =/ Oh well. Let’s stop the shit people, there’s not much that can be done at this point other than getting your game ready. Let’s see who really cares when this shit goes down in June. Hope to see some of you guys out there.
All I know is, if they don’t add a real game like Shaq Fu to that list, Japan is some BITCHES.
Doomsday Warrior ftw.
everyone should just stfu and play 3S. end of argument. hurrah \o/
Wow this ish is gettin hella hype.
Shaq Fu owns.
The end
The funny thing is…
We are all arguing that AE sucks and ST rules, yet we have absolutely no clue if the USA will even get spots for this. Chances are, they won’t. And if they do, it will be West Coast ONLY. Considering I was the best player on the East Coast and I only got 9th place thanks to fucking shitty Tokido. So Jeron, might as well stop arguing, I feel you but we’re fucked anyway. Unless you want to fly to FFA to play shitty AE…no thanks.
Considering you supposedly hate AE and wouldn’t want to go to SBO to play it you sure do sound more and more bitter about this in every post you make.
This whole thread is ridiculous and I will begin to explain why.
Most of the fighting game community is hypocritical in one way or another.
When the last EVOs that were arcade only were going on, the USA got worked in every single game except for MVC2.
Many players used to say arcade was a much better recognition of skill than console.
Fast forward a few years later…
US players (and world players) are now doing better in higher caliber tournaments because they are mostly “console”, which essentially means a whole new definition of skill, and players trying to get acccustomed to practicing in private areas, and non public settings, trying to become better players with groups of friends as opposed to going out and playing against top players in the arcade.
Most arcade players gave up, balance of skill shifts to player with less experience, hardly any arcades exist anymore, and no new fighting games come out.
Bottom line: This is a JAPANESE Arcade tournament. Do not whine and complain about something 99.999999% of you are not a part of. The Japanese have said on a number of occasions that they prefer arcade over console for the most obvious of reasons, and this is THEIR tournament.
Many US players are “fooled” by thinking that the US can compete with Japan on an equal level, which I hate to say is ARCADE, and not CONSOLE. Console is a different beast altogether, and an exceptional illusion that requires an adjustment (some more than others) that many players get accustomed to, but never fully overcome entirely.
My perspective has always been this, ANYTIME I am playing console, and have to “grip the stick” harder because I have to hold it steady as to not move, or have some type of support holding it down, it is in the back of my mind that it will move when I need to make spastic movements when playing footsies. That is a big proponent for many game players who perform well in the arcade, but can never get fully over the console hump these days…
A perfect example, when I play console fighting games, I feel like I have a heavier weight on my hands while I am playing, whereas I am free to do what I want on arcade, giving me complete flexibility when playing. Ask any MVC2 player why they would rather play Arcade than Dreamcast BESIDES the enhanced speed.
As for as HSF2 goes. Darksyde wrote:
"AE is garbage. I’m sorry, I said it. And I won fucking EVO East and I got 9th at EVO World. The game is trash. It’s flakey, it’s random, it’s VERY unbalanced. And a scrub can practice with CE Bison for a week and start knocking out veteran players. "
Darksyde: I was not at EVO this year, and have not entered a console HSF2 tournament because I prefer to play the arcade version of the game. What you are saying about the game is essentially what people said about the PS1 version of ST in which you took 3rd at EVO 2005. You essentially beat a slew of veteran players doing things that are normally punished in the arcade. This is not even counting the speed difference, the character hitbox issues, the priority issues (Balrog, Bison, Chun-Li Up Kicks) and others that matchup against them are different as examples)
Also DSP, you won AE console at EVO East, which is great and all, but you had a free ride into top 16 or 32 from the qualification process from what I understand. I would not exactly call you going 1-2 “placing top 9 at EVO World” unless you take it by the literal definition. You did not have to try and make it out of pools against more randomness, and it’s safe to say you don’t know if you would have achieved that same result if you had to start from scratch at that tournament. Yet, this is your reward for placing in the top 8.
Another note: in arcade tournaments DSP, you have not placed well at ST, and I do not think you have played AE in any arcade tournaments. This is not a slight at your console skill, but it is much higher than your arcade skill at the series, which means that a qualifier is going to present a severe disadvantage for you.
I was having a conversation about ST on console a couple of years ago when Justin defeated Watson at EVO on Dreamcast console one year. There is no way Justin could beat Watson in an arcade tournament for ST. Yet, people were proclaiming Justin the new ST god.
Fast forward to a year ago when Justin lost in MVC2 to someone we know he would never lose to in the arcade. The excuse? "It was Dreamcast, would not happen in arcade, don’t confuse that result with skill. " How hypocritical is that???
If anyone is planning on playing HSF2 at a possible qualifier at FFA, keep in mind of a few things:
Linked cabinets at that arcade have usually been subpar. It feels like you are playing underwater at times, and other logistical things such as the volume of the game, screen display, etc may present an issue for those not accustomed to their standards. My suggestion? Practice that game there a few days beforehand.
As far as major differences between arcade to console for HSF2?
M. Bison CE version is stronger than the console version, if you can believe that.
Backwards hits (characters being hit from both sides is much more common in this version)
Speed (1-2-3) is different in feel than its console counterpart.
Hitbox detection: Characters are much more defined and LARGER than console version, even if you adjust the aspect ratios on your TV set.
Counter Moves: Things such as Jumping FP with CE Guile on Dhalsim limbs are worse in arcade compared to console (I might have these mixed up, but I know one or the other is better)
Damage/Dizzies: Slightly different, but I do not know actual specifics or the properties for each.
Cross-ups/Cancelled Moves: Harder to see Ken/Ryu cross-up tricks (HF and CE) that lead to 3x Low Short, FP dizzies. This is supposed to be like the old arcade versions, but it does not work as well on console because of the smaller hit boxes…
All in all, the game looks and plays a lot like a weird version of ST, but Bison is not unbeatable.
Once HF/CE Zangief and ST Chun Li get him down, he’s screwed. Any good shoto players get him down, he’s screwed (apparently there were very inexperienced shoto players at EVO East) Couple this with the fact the shoto is naturally stronger in the arcade (notice how John Choi and Mike Watson play much stronger in the arcade as opposed to console versions of this type of game?)
If there are any characters to worry about, it should be CE Guile and ST Rog…
Should be an interested qualifier if it takes place, though.
One last note: DevilJin, it was Hyper Fighting I think you are referring to, where OG stuff really still exists, not ST. The two are completely different games…
I don’t think it’s as simple to say that console players are in general less skillful than arcade players, if you’re intimating that US console players are worse than Japanese arcade players I’ll buy it, since well, Japanese arcade players do have arcades with “top players” to go play at.
It’s not because console is inherently less skillful that other people are capable of doing good at them, while arcade peeps aren’t doing as well. It’s just understanding the console version of the game, 99.9% of the time, is only good enough to be called an “adaptation” of the arcade game. So it’s not the fact that the console gamer is less skillful overall, as much as it’s the fact they are playing a game that is slightly, if not greatly, different than the arcade game which it originated.
If our arcade scene was anything like the Japanese arcade scene we could approach gaming from that standpoint, but it isn’t, and it won’t be. So we have to approach it the way we can, which for most people is console. The social networks that promote skill are no longer solely based in the arcades, you have to do a bit more work, but you certainly can still hook up with people to play in most areas of the country.
I can assure you the people I play around with now could crush the peeps I used to see at the two arcades that used to exist within reasonable driving distances of me.
Anyhow I suppose I’m being somewhat nit picky over your categorization of console gamers as a whole, I do agree with you about the arguments about how the japanese should run their own tournament are pretty stupid.
After USA’s early knock-off last year in 3s… I just dont know anymore… 
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anyways 3s DREAM TEAM this year please!!! Pyro-Wong-Ortiz (or Ken I)…
Sabin- Well, i rarely play SC3 and i barely played the arcade version, and im still able to somewhat compete with the “top” players here. I dont consider myself one of the top from the US, i think they have much better to offer than me, and i seem to be doing better than expected against Japanese players. So i think that the US or Europe (since nobody should count out France when it comes to Soul Calibur) has a good chance of doing fairly well.
Then again, Arcade version is almost nonexistent in the states. Its in a couple spots, but for the most part, US is still playing on console, and that’s enough of a reason for US not to get a qualifier for a game that not very many people are playing. Sucks.
sc3 ae ? thats pretty cool i guess.
well not really.
HeartNana: I stopped following the SC scene a while ago; does AE get any burn in Europe?
SC has always struck me as being one of Japan’s worst games, so not having any foreign teams for SC3:AE would seem really odd.