Just saw the bonchan vs snakeeyes (evil ryu) match. Was bonchan just off or is the matchup as bad as it looked.
I mean i know since daigo went E. ryu, bonchan couldnt sniff a set off him, but daigo played the game very similar to regular ryu with a few of evil ryu’s moves added in.
The way snakeeyes just went apeshit on bonchan was kinda weird to see… I honestly thought bonchan had it in the bag as soon as snake chose E ryu, boy was i wrong lol.
Horrid match for gat , always was.
Gat just can’t keep up with his damage and his toolset is just way better.
At least he got a health nerf.
What are your thoughts on the Dieminion match then? How’s the Sagat-Guile matchup and what could Bonchan have done better?
bonchan played the match the way it was supposed to be played. He stood just outside guiles dangerous poke range and baited pokes to get a focus and utilized smart ts pressure. I just (for the life of me) cant get why he didnt ultra after the ex shot against the wall (i think it was the last round or the round before last). He instead opts to go for another ex shot. I think an ultra would have given him the momentum to go through.
Still, getting three guiles must have been a bore. I called the match in dieminion’s favor before they even started though. Was basing my prediction on his AE match against ryan hart, where he showed he knew how to deal with sagat’s tools well.
I get why he picked Ultra 1 in the match, but I still don’t agree with it.
Are these matches online? I also pick U1 in the Guile match. If he did another Ex shot in the corner after an ex shot it probably was the Ultra, he just fucked it.
Nice match, I only watched the Dieminion one so far. So yeah it’s not a mistake, he did mean it, guile was too far ahead on life and it looks like he’s kept it to use to kill, he’s more than likely tried to land it after the EX uppercut and missed (we don’t see the input obviously because he hit it early). His big mistake was blowing 3 meters on EX shot in the last round for free after being so conservative with meter. Like I said before on Guile the match is about who can capitalize on the mistakes the other guy makes and Bonchan made too many errors after playing so tight. Looks like the pressure got him.
The jump cross into the corner is something I’m full against and try to drill into people that use that, at any time. You have to hit that lk super deep. I can only imagine that he’s tried to go for a reset on the flash kick. Once Guile is out of the corner with that much life difference it’s game over. The only other option is that he thought Dieminion might flash kick FADC sitting on the 2 meters, but he stayed strong. Dieminion out played him basically. Tight match though.
Not online HF. Final Round 2015. I agree with you on U1 against guile. His boom recovery is too fast to catch with a Cannon unless its a raw read. Also destruction give better damage off an FADC.
I still think he should have ultra’d after that first ex shot…the momentum shift would have made it less of an uphill battle, plus he would have had 2 bars and dieminion would have been on the ground and in the corner. I agree that it was probably the pressure of the moment etc., but it was pretty frustrating to watch. As for the jump over…how fast did that flashkick recover after being baited? I was already clapping my hands when he did tiger destruction to catch the flashkick recovery!
I think it was more a case of our Ultra’s range nerf showing it’s ugly side, that would have worked in the past.
You can still Ultra after 2 EX fireballs in the corner, so it was obviously a plan not to use it. Who knows how it would have went, but top end players are know for saving their Ultra bar. I still think he lost the match in the early stages with his meter management and getting impatient.
Ultra 2 would have caught that flash kick
lol, marz like a dog with a bone on the ultra… gotta give it to ya there though…cant disagree with that.
The thing with U2 in the guile match is a couple of things for me
I think in a match that comes down to errors and LOTS of fireballs, it’s handy to have that extra damage of Ultra 1. When either character get’s a life lead in the match, it’s in their best interests not to let it go.
U2 I out of interest I pick in the following matches
Dhalsim - No debates, it’s simply a must
Ryu
Evil Ryu
Akuma
Gouken
Sagat - Again no brainer
Rose
Seth
There’s a few that are optional, like Blanka/Honda ang Guy
Out of interest HF why is U2 better against rose?
She wants to reflect to build (stupid amounts) of meter. If you change the speed of your shot game you are likely to hit her with an EX shot into full screen juggle since that’s where she’ll be sitting to reflect.
Yea Ultra 1 is better for damage scaling after a couple hits and does 100 more than Cannon out of a crumple.
If you have 3 bars uppercut fadc ex shot ultra 2 only does 13 less than uppercut fadc step kick ultra 1 hell it even does comparable damage sometimes just because everyone falls out now.
I just personally like the utility of Cannon when theirs opposing projectiles on the screen. You can juggle Cannon off of any regular shot someone lands on, hits fully off fadc backdash anywhere, cancels out Guiles U2, and still gives you more explosive damage than Guile with added utility.
Isn’t guile’s ultra 2 the flash kick one? how does cannon cancel that out?
Right, Thanks for clarifying that. I’ve been playing the rose matchup with less ts and more rush down so i have been relying on U1 more.
The problem with the Rose match is that everyone saw Bonchan get bodied and now have this twisted version of how it should run. Bonchan did’nt play the match correctly and as the great emblemlord said, he didn’t use any st.mk, meaning he was pretty much flying blind (because that button eats Rose). It’s still better to try and mix shots up with rush down. Another thing is that Rose’s fireballs have pretty average recovery frames. Then you’ve got her serial back dashing.
U2 is Guiles hurricane. IMO there’s no need to cancel it out unless you are down to chip, it’s just wasting an Ultra. I get that it has utility, I just think that on the reactionary side of things , U2 is borderline. Guiles booms either recover too fast to hit, or move too fast to get the Ultra out. I’m not saying it’s not possible, it just has too many variables for me. Not like say gouken, who although has very fast recovery, he doesn’t have an EX fireball that can match Sagats like Guile.
Guile doesn’t really throw lots of booms at that closer range in the gat match, he likes to back fist, cr.mk , jump etc etc. He can get into that range where it’s a gamble for us to throw a shot.