Dudley’s elbow drop only causes knockdown, not untechable knockdown. You just have to react faster.
It’s also a bit harder to get an unpunishable TK if he stands block like some characters.
If he abuses duck in the corner, anticipating and jumping over it will get you out of the corner.
then im guessing those dudleys dont know any max damage combos Lol its pretty devastating its not as bad as akuma buts its pretty hard he is considered a bad match. dudley changed a lot from super to ae
Online Bison is the worst ever. I rape him with Yun or Sakura, but I just seem to get annihilated as Sagat. I’ve been trying to use RH to hit scissors, or just sit outside of range and chuck fireballs, but this MU feels odd. Only thing I’ve really had success doing is bulldogging him until he’s dead, but if they have decent defense it’s very hard.
Bison is VERY tough to face with Sagat. His focus dash through FB’s is OP in the match(lol) and his pressure game is very safe, in the corner that is. You must fight to stay out of the corner at all costs. St.mk stuffs SK’s but don’t get trigger happy with it, neutral jump MK SK’s as well
Online Bison is a comedy show to be honest. His walk speed gives him a huge advantage.
I separate the match into two halfs - No meter - I take the offence slightly and push him back , free pressure on a KD with cr.lk. Cr.jab buffer LTS I like to use a fair bit to stuff some of his neutral pressure and those annoying dash up throws.
With meter I back off and play lame. I actually prefer to AA with neutral Fierce or jump back Fierce as opposed to TU in a lot of situations. It’s not the end of the world to get cornered by Bison. It’ll happen eventually. Just wait it out.
It is a tough match but he can be zoned to an extent. Def one of the more patient matches. Like everything with the king, nothings ever easy…unless you’re playing T-Hawk… !
Hakan beats Sagat.
Discuss.
Oilkan denies any control you could hope to maintain from mid to long range 
FNC is stupidly powerful. Don’t even attempt a jumpin without OSing a TU. I’d say close range rushdown is the way to go, TK/exLTS all day to break that damn focus… survive to run oil to an end without getting KD.
In the end, Sagat takes risks and makes reads while Hakan plays his usual game. 4.5/5.5 probably.
If you’re gonna let hakan get his oil on then yeah, it’s pretty grim for you. But in overall, if you can denie him free oilups and mantain pressure sagat id say a solid 6-4 for sagat. Do remember that any ex tu is a free folowup to ultra 1 on him
He starts oiled. This is the deciding factor of the match. I was training with a Hakan that beat Sanford 2-0 IN HIS FIRST TOURNAMENT EVER.
6-4 Hakans favor
I think Hakan vs Sagat is tougher than it is given credit for, but I also think that the more people play against Hakan and learn the tricks the better they’ll do IMO.
For example, the sheer fact Sagat can ex.tu into u1 without breaking a sweat against hakan still puts this match-up in Sagat’s favour for me.
You dont understand. Hakan never needs to jump. btw gat hitting ex tu to ultra should not be a factor. with training you can do that vs the majority of the cast. Sagat must gake hella risk vs oilkan. you thought Juri outfootsied sagat? Or Cammy?LOOOOOOOOOOL
Hakan is serious
Allow me to post seriously. When you evaluate a match you look at options at each range, how each character attepts to control the other and how they circumvent or negate each others tools. Oilkan destroys Sagat in footsies and Tiger Shots are not a threat. Drykan is much worse in footsies without parry and sliding focus. But even Drykan has good options to deal with tiger shots. By FAing shots and doing repeated oil dive cancels into his coward stance, he easily builds meter and Ultra.
Zoning will get you killed. You have to rush him. But thats not Sagats strong point. Hakan also starts oiled and is close enough at the start of the round to easily gain momentum. During footsies sagat must use meter on ex shots, risk a low damage TK, or a rh.
He cannot play his game. He will lose. Sagat must play around hakans strengths. This is what a bad match is
I said Hakan was a bad match a couple months back. Probably get buffed as well…
Can’t really discuss much nowadays on that matchup since the only real experience i had vs hakan were before the 2012 patch. I still believe that it’s one of those matchups that get’s easier the more you know about the other character. The more you fight hakan, the more you will blow him up later on imo
blow him up how? the match isnt rape but hakan certainly has slight advantage. if u played Hakan pre-patch then u rly dont know. a fireball at midscreen gets u sweeped and now you gotta deal with a mix up or oil dive set up.
Well i can’t really affirm anything here since pre-patch experience only, but from what i remember hakan didnt really have an answer to TK strings and setups. But yeah i can imagine that oilkan is a pain the ass with his footsie increase
When the buff of him starting with oil was announced i said it would be bad… When i tell ppl sagat has many bad matchups i get mad fun of but what i’ve always claimed has turned out to ppl realizing slowly but surely. The thing is with sagat . he can win all his bad matchups so he looks better then what he really is.
its his comeback potential. he can ALWAYS come back thnx to burst damage but there are a lot of chars that simply negate or counter his gameplan.
Ok so i recently saw xian’s tier list. He placed sagat 9th which with all due respect to xian(Love the guy , he’s a great player) but i think thats a crock of shit.
I’m going to list who “i” think beats sagat then im gonna list who i think is even and who i think he beats. I’m not going to sit here and give scores because people will argue and debate too much over meaningless shit.
Feel free to disagree.
Loses to:
Akuma,Ken,Fei-long,Ibuki,Viper,Abel,Dudley,Gen,Vega,Adon,evil ryu, juri,Cammy,Dhalsim,Gouken,Seth.
**Even: **
Ryu,Guy,Chun Li,Bison,Balrog,Sakura,Guile,Rose,Makoto,deejay *special note Ryu and Sakura i feel that could maybe go to beating sagat but i’ll just put them even for now.
Beats:
Zangief,Honda,Thawk,Dan,Fuerte,Cody,Rufus,Yun,Blanka,Oni,
I have left out: Yang and Hakan as i’m not sure. Hakan might beat sagat but i feel sagat can perhaps beat him also. Yang i dont have any high level yangs anymore since he got nerfed and i never have any trouble however.
I think everybody that truly understands sagat will at the very least agree with 90% of the characters i listed as beating sagat do have the matchup advantage. 1 or 2 might be debatable but as i said one two could replace them anyways. So with this many unfavorable matches and the rest mostly even how is this character 9th? Honestly i think this game engine doesn’t favor sagats character design. I Hope capcom for once actually does the right thing by the king. He deserves to be in the top 5-8 imo. Currently imo he sits around 15 and i’ve thought this for a long time. The worst thing i find is characters with superior options to sagat also do more damage then sagat. This to me is what capcom needs to get right. Anyways rant over.
Losing to Akuma, Seth, Fei, Viper AND Cammy should put Gat in mid-card ville by default, definitely not ninth. I don’t understand tier list based on just math.
Gat can simply pad his average thumping the crap tier characters that are always under-repped at tournaments, so why bother including them. In fact I think Gief is probably the most popular shit tier character represented…read: needs a tournament tier list…