This. Metagame is necessary in a Tier list, straight losing to most chars placing top8 in last year tournaments means mid tier at best.
The thing is gief is not shit tier he has a few real bad matchups the rest he wins or is even in which case in tournament play still favors him do to lots of health and damage output. That alone makes him way stronger then where he is placed on xians list.
Gat def beats Rog. He has too many options that crap on his and rog has issues dealing with st.mk.
He also loses to Sakura imo. playing chris G felt like risk vs reward always favored him.
But match up wise im gonna say low mid. metagame wise low tier. he loses to EVERY TOP TIER. HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT EQUAL 9th?!
st.hk and tiger knees shut alot of rog’s options down aswell , id say 6-4 for gat vs rog
In the sakura matchup i always tought of it as even, but unblockables + that ridiculous jumping fierce make me think that sagat has to fight a loosing battle. Especially if he gets cornered vs her.
I don’t think gat beats rog . In fact bonchan has said he feels its a tough match for gat. Not to mention. Pr rog has beaten ryan hart and a lot of good sagats. He beat japanese sagats at sbo a year ago. I have a solid rog player who understands sagat he thinks its even as well. Not to mention i have to play super solid to beat him. Rog can walk sagat down and harass him with normals. Standing hard kick can be ok but rog can deal with that pretty easily. Not to mention rog has got ways in and u1 punishes fireballs really well. tiger knee against rog is not a safe option either imo. Sagat can keep sakura out i’ve fought humanbomb recently and did ok against him. and he’s top 3 sak in the world. I lost but i haven’t been really playing . He also feels the match is 5-5 but yeah sakura is subjective imo more so then rog. Also emb totally agree how can he be 9th when not only does he lost to top tiers but he also loses to characters placed lower then him lols. And sagat hasn’t even come close to making a top 8 at evo not even in vanilla i think lols.
Sagat will beat Rog is the Rog is not on point. However, if the Rog is on point the match-up will feel like a 5-5 IMO. JS Master, who was probably the best rog in the world for a bit used to tell me that all the time, he said it all came down to how good the Rog’s reaction was. He would punish everything, including whiff punishes with raw ultras. I still think it’s 6-4 Sagat though.
I don’t think Sak Sagat is 5-5, I think it’s 6-4 sak. Watching Ryan Hart vs Chris G just proved to me everything that’s wrong with the match. You can be on point with your combos, and zoning, but the damage just isn’t there. One knock down by Sak and you’re talking about 300+ damage on a 50/50(at best a 50/50). Her Stand Jab also is a HUGE problem for Sagat.
Just my two cents.
The thing is. People think automatically that sagat should be zoning imo that’s incorrect. Yes he is a zoning character but he has some godlike pressure against certain characters. imo Sakura is one of them. I like to play offensive against sakura a lot as well. It can be risky but i think alot of sagats do not explore his offensive play enough
honestly i find myself attacking more and more in ALL my matches cept vs grapplers. throwing tiger shots just gets you destroyed.
And OMGWTFBBQ!!! Satsui no Hadou ni Mezameta Ryu SHITS on Sagat. Riskvs reward ALWAYS favors him. a random poke and u get comboed then reset and ur dealing with a mix up into stun combo.
Yeah i find when i try to zone ppl out too much i get fucked up by one random guess.
When Daigo said the fb game was ass in AE, you can see it in full stride with Sagat. The risk vs reward just ain’t there.
And Yes Emblem, E.Ryu takes a big, BIG dump on Sagat.
Surprise Surprise not one sagat in top 16 . Ryan hart bonchan sanford kelly and santarou man all in attendance .
all i saw was sagats getin walked in on for free. i thought i might see some stuff from them but i saw them struggling with the same shit i do. wtf do i do at mid range is the struggle ALL sagat players face
Exactly. It’s that range between stand light kick and just outside. That range where your forced to either throw out a slow normal as a read , a dangerous tigershot, allow them to walk in or a risky foward light kick. This is the range i’ve complained about since super. The same range that stand light kick being able to cancel into tigershot and that old tiger knee was good from.
I had a conversation with mago the first shadowloo showdown we organized back when i was having trouble in super against ryu… I asked him what do i do at that range as i find ryu either jumps or outfootsies me. His answer was you have to not give a shit and just fireball and i was like but the risk is super unfavorable he smiled and said yes and thats one reason he stopped using sagat. He told me if im too scared to throw those tigershots to switch characters. He wasn’t wrong lol
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i dont agree with being even Guy,Chun Li,sakura,Deejay maybe its just me
Btw :
In b4 3 of the new characters are bad matchups for sagat.
I personally believe Ryu and Guy beat Sagat. It’s funny though, I never see Bonchan lose to any Ryu not named Daigo, however I still feel it’s an uphill fight for Sagat.
The reason I think the Guy match is tough for Sagat is that I believe anyone with a 3 frame low beats Sagat 
I think He’ll do good against the 4 revealed, honestly(lol). Hugo Sagat is going to be 9-1 Sagat LOL(Obviously not, but I just can’t see Hugo doing well in this fight).
lets see how retarded they’ll make rolento in ultra street fighter. i’m hoping we won’t see the yun/yang shenanigans from ae again.
I have one of the best guy players in the world here in melbourne. He knocked momochi out last shadowloo showdown and beat Lpn at evo this year. I fight him all the time. I honestly believe he’s better then marq teddy. And i beat this dude most times. Once in a while he beats me. But in tourney records i would say i win 6 to maybe 7 times out of ten.
Rolento is definitely going to be good against sagat with that reka type of pressure and good footsies as well as hope mixups. Elena depends but i can picture her being a mid range to just outside mid range issue. Poison i doubt , hugo i doubt (unless they are morons and make him break grappler rules) New character who knows.