Im just gonna throw out something I didn’t see in the Blanka match up post… Even throwing a low tigershot, blanka can slide under them for free, so don’t spam them if blanka is in slide range.
yun for me i dont find hard at all i feel its not easy but not hard 5,5 or 6-4 (a soft 6-4) yang on the other hand is imo 6-4 he gets around tshots much better then yun his mixups are nastier and that reka type pressure is frustrating to deal with. i kinda agree with Emb on the weaklings part if you threw yun into vanilla he wouldn’t be so op its just because lots of characters were nerfed. and i also think yang is a better character i’ve seen sensei’s and he blows ppl up hard!
I think Sagat beats Yun 6/4 and beats Yang 55/45. Yang gets around shots easier and his comeback potential is way better but Sagat’s buttons beat both the twins. That’s really the clencher for me. It’s like ok they get in then what? His buttons still beat theirs overall so all that work to get in still doesn’t mean it’s free. Also Yangs dive is easier to deal with so that evens out how easy it is for him to deal with shots.
Actually , this isnt true. Sagats buttons beat Yun i agree , but yangs? ridiculous cr mk that reaches for days and cancels into rekkas , 3 frame crlk and st lk that stuff everything u do on wake up or after fadc , his divekick frame advantage is better then yuns so if he places them correctly he can actually apply pressure and not get stand throw. Also if u get a super activated on u in the corner its pretty much unblockable damage as u have to block every hit and when the over head comes ( it will) u will not be able to block it on time.Sagat does not beat Yang , no way.
LOL’S we hardly agree on much here do we … just some quick info about what i’ve been told from ppl now im not trying to start shit i really cbf. but heres something to think about. Seth killian actually when i asked him who is harder for sagat in his opinion he said yang is known as the harder matchup i agree with jiji on this one but i dont think the match is unwinnable i believe 6-4 or 5.5 at least but i would Like to see what Alioune thinks of the matchup since he has one of the best sagats and imo yangs in the world right now. you talk to him a bit dont you JiJi?
lol just some friendly debate , nothing wrong with that. Yeah i dont think the match is unwinnable , infact now that i think of it apart from Alioune not alot of Yang players give me trouble , still this just means there not doing something he is with the character. On point Yang can beat sagat nicely , prob call it 6/4. Alioune knows this match is in Yangs favour, but we will have to see what happens in 2012 addition because i know hes very unhappy about the nerfs yang has been given… can only mean good things for sagat !
Personally , im keeping an eye out for Guy and Hakan in the new addition… I think they might give sagat some trouble. As well as Ken , and the usual Dudley/ibuki/Akuma/Viper/Fei (debatable except for dudley ibuki)
I have never really sweated his cr.mk. Doesn’t Sagat’s st.mk flat out beat it? I need to check how their buttons interact again. Anyway you need to get specific. I’m noticing that people will state a match-up is such and such but don’t really break anything down. I know not everyone is gifted at really breaking down options by scenarios, but you have to at least try to illustrate your point so people can visualize it. In the end this can only benefit the community.
i just had a few questions how do you guys handle ken, cody, guy, dudley, and gen those seem to be the match ups that i can’t really get a read on atm :/.
I try to keep ken away as long as possible.Zone him with TS.If he jumps i uppercut / kara uppercut the shit out of him.
Usually they try to focus/ fwd mk their way through if they cant get passed the shots.Thats when I start giving them low ex tigers to send them right back.Sagats st.forward is a good answer to kens stepkick as well.Eventually they’ll get in and thats when i play it more defensive and start baiting out stuff.Once they get the knockdown it gets really ugly imo.I just try to block / tech correctly and wait 4 an opportunity to counterattack.Watch out for his kara throw.!!
One thing: i always try to keep two meters for fadc U1.I never use U2 in this match cause i want the U1 damage ( i try to get this match over asap) and because kens usually dont give u fireball trouble.They try 2 get in…
With Dudley…
beginning of a round at mid range i mixup between T. shots, fake shots and T. knees. If i catch him with a knee i get the knockdown and from there i try my best to rush him down. I generally try to play the match very offensive and get him to the corner. every now and then i might throw out a random knee if i can fadc it. pokes i use are low fierce, st.fwd. low fwd.
just my two cents hope it helps a bit
yang’s pressure game in the air, ground and corner is too fucking good.
thats why hes my secondary.
hes so easy, hes the new fight money balrog.
standing jabs, or crouching short or dive kicks into either equals free slashes for more mix up pressure. watch their meter and sprinkle a few command grabs here and there.
his push palming stuffs air and fireballs which build up meter really good.
after easily fadc with rolling kick through fireballs for free.
yang is a killer pho sho
I’m not sold that Yang is so devastating. He’s good, but I don’t think “too fucking good” is an accurate description of any of his aspects.
Makoto matchup?
She takes your lunch money every recess and dives your head in toilet water in the boy’s bathroom that hasn’t been cleaned in 50 years by Joe the nigerian janitor.
Oh and you can’t tell anyone she bullys you. Because boys cant be bullied by girls.
^lulz
makoto is a bitch for sure but imo thats either 5-5 or 5.5 to sagat. she is a stupid character that rewards not giving a shit so thats what you gotta be there to punish. shes very safe to tshot until she has ultra. once she has ultra unfortunately she will get in unless your footsies game is on point. one thing to remember is the life lead is very important against this stupid slut. shes getting nerfed which helps i personally felt that she deserved a nerf. Don’t get mindfucked when does her corner combo bs makoto is a momentum character if you can break it and she has used ultra it should be comfortable to finish the bitch off
Saw the Match-up debate a page earlier, it was also in August but I don’t give a fuck because I want to talk 
Worst Match Ups for Sagat IMO
Akuma/Gouki
- Does this one even need explaining? You have a character who cannot be zoned and it just so happens Sagat is a pure zoning character(traditionally). You have a character that has 101 ways to land safe jumps of throws, sweeps, uppercuts and air throws. You have a Character that has 101 frametraps which end in the dreaded sweep, Sagats worst nightmare lol. His normals can blow Sagat up so easily, if it wasn’t for st.mk and cr.hp you would just have to sit there and take your anal rape. That being said, I don’t think the Match is 7-3, it’s at worst 6.5-3.5 but likely 6-4. On Sagats wake up I feel like Vega the lack of options I have against Akuma.
Fei Long
There is an INCREDIBLY good Fei Long player in Toronto named Spiral Guy, and he bodied my Sagat when A.E first came out. Fei Long has great normals against Sagat, and the icing on the cake is that he can combo into sweep, Sagats worst nightmare(get the point? loll). He can do INSANE damage if people have their execution on deck, and for some fucked up reason he has higher stun meter than Sagat…The main reason I believe Fei Long is so tough for Sagat is because much of the battle is done on the ground, he(Fei) doesn’t have to rely on the air for his tactics like Yun(for example). The rekkas are very easy to hit confirm with and to counter poke with and the worst part is that they nearly push you into the corner with just one. It’s not impossible, but it’s definitely an up hill climb for Sagat IMO. 6-4, Sagat always has the comeback factor!
Ken
I might be on a lonely Island on this one, but I think Ken is incredibly difficult to fight as Sagat, his pressure game and wake up options(when sagat is waking up) are so God Damn good. He can do massive damage off one mistake by you and can stun Sagat with two wrong guesses. His hit confirms are so easy that anyone can do them against Sagat so it is expected that one mistake and your fucked. Hope I’m not the only one that feels this 6-4 to 5.5-4.5 Ken’s Favour
Viper
Weaksauce, I know what you mean about this match-up, you are also going against one of the best Vipers in the world so when you mess up on him he’ll make you pay. I think in my heart of hearts this match up is 5.5-4.5 viper but will settle for 6-4(some think it’s 5-5, im not that good). The key to the match is lucky(not good, LUCKY) blocking because when a good viper turns on the jets she crosses up at will and it’s all how you can survive the birdkick bullshit loll. There was a great safe jump tactic someone once posted forgot what happened to it. If Viper does the ground knuckle when you are in the air just kara uppercut, kara uppercut on HER wake up if the viper is ex ground punch(Sizemo?) happy. The Kara works incredibly well against it. Lastly, make the viper respect your uppercut, she can kill you as fast as you can kill her and let her know that. But I’ve seen your gat play, you’re very damn good, your zoning game is amazing!!!
Nah, I def. agree with you on that.Once he gets in shit gets hot.
I feel Ken is 5-5.
It’s like pretty much dead even to me and very good exciting fight.
Compare to akuma, Ken is just alittle down step from that bs.
1 thing I had to improve against ken’s pressuring footsies is get really good using his st.mk and sometimes st.lk.
Works wonders.
I dunno, Ken’s f.mk and his cr.mk pisses me off.
With sagat’s mk, foot sticks out and removes ur front low hit box from ken’s cr.mk.
Either make him whiff his cr.mk or let him eat the foot.
His wake up option game. Block!! Sometimes the answer is just to block. It’s not easy though.
An get good @ late tech, especially against his Kara throw.
Ken is pretty easy to read to Kara uppercut, his jumping range and speed and shoto hitbox size is easy read. I dunno, I can react fairly easy. If blanka, I too slow for that shit.
Yeah, I play ImagineVC’s Ken alot. It’s tough pho sho.
But I think it’s even.
Edit: note to capcom, if ure gonna give viper that damage output.
Atleast tone down her fuxking stun. Shiiit
How do I punish Yun’s elbow? It goes through ts and beats tiger knee and tiger uppercut doesnt have enough range unless he tries to go for a blocked elbow.