I know I’m never worried in a Dudley match. I always feel like I can spam HK and MK not stop to beat everything you do. I think that if kept out of your little duck punch range, Dudley is pretty useless, and that is pretty easy to do.
I say it’s at least a 6-4 in Sagat’s favor
You are so wrong, it physically hurts my body.
Please stop hurting me k thnx
Stop being butthurt, learn your Ibuki matchup. I’ve seen movies of your Sagat and I’m amazed(!) that you are the #1 Sagat on PSN (if you still are), but BP is farming/grinding anyways so… yeah.
We should have a match on PSN.
I know the match. I just said in terms of tools Sagat rocks her. But you can’t deny that Sagat can and often does die off a single knockdown. It’s a legit weaknes that he has.
We can play anytime not that Gat mirrors mean anything.
btw i have never heard of you and im very much NOT amazed at this fact. Sooooo…yeah.
Fair enough, thanks for your opinion.
this is my view … fei long owns the shit out of sagat 7-3 matchup yes 7-3 im talking good fei longs not rubbish ones. rf sanford and a few other top level sagats all agree this matchup is by far the worst. ibuki is 6-4 to ibuki again its high level not just ibukis that do the same kunai mixup. dudley also beats sagat 6-4 st hk and st mk are not enough to win the matchup against a good dudley. viper matchup is tough but very winnable i’ll soon be posting me vs uryo i mmd him so maybe that can help i lost but he is a better player then i am . imo i think all these matchups are winnable except fei the fei matchup is really really really bad. all of sagats options get blown up by fei and i mean every option you can pinch a game or two but a fei that knows the match up will make you so salty you’ll have blocked arteries by the end of the set.
The match was worse in Super I don’t see how it could be 6-4 in Super and worse now. That doesn’t make sense, I think Fei vs Gat is damn close. It’s just that fei can get lucky with a rekka poke and blow Sagat up which is stupid frustrating. Duds I think is even. Alot of Gats buttons beat Duds period and when you consider Duds crap wake-up things kinda even out a bit.
I think Viper crushes Sagat though. Not as bad as Gouki but pretty bad.
Lets be real here. If you have any good dudleys in america please correct me because to be honest i havent seen one who played the match up how it should be v sagat .
IMO Sagats worste match up is definately ibuki , everything she has is made to beat sagat , her annoying hitbox glitch kills mp frame trap , her weird wake up timing , her auto pilot vortex , her ambigious set ups after everything. yes with no meter it can be hard for her to get in , but thats about the only time she has any disadvantage in that match up.
Sagats second worste match up is Dudley , but in my opinion this one is very close to being straight up unplayable and worse then ibuki. This match is stupid , in AE the jumping HP knocking down means that even if u uppercut u do not get trade fw hk . his damage in footsie range and his ability to completely ignore fireballs makes this match retarded , somehow ., its even harder then im able to put into words.Play a very good dudley and u will understand .
Now onto fei long . Fei long sagat is better in AE for sagat , no invincibility on chicken wing is a big help in this match . U can play your zoning game now , u can dictate the flow a bit better. IMO this match is even but slightly in feis favour , again , ive played alot of very high level feis , and i can pretty much conclude this. If u struggle in this match up its a you thing , not a sagat issue.
If you uppercut correctly though i.e late…Duds get blown away as he should sooooo wut u just said is technically a non-issue.
Duds I feel gets wins the same way Fei does. Calculated risks and randomness. He cannot out solid Sagat. He has to out risk him.
fei is the worst matchup i know youve played starnab jiji but tbh when i vsd starnabs fei at evo in a side tourney i wasnt far off beating him imo starnab doesnt play that matchup the way fei long should. i’m going to provide proof to back up my statement everyones got their opinion and thats cool but im going now drop some names. Seth killian i spoke to at evo said to me sagats hardest matchup is fei long. Rf said the same thing. Mago says the same. Akira whos sagat you like and have said is godlike says the same thing. the reason this matchup is the worst for sagat is as follows .
Good info from both of you. Thanks again!
For once emblem , I want u to actually listen instead of trying to argue my point. I respect your time on these forums but if im being completely honest right now your at your weakest and you need to step it up from what ive seen. When i tell you that i play one of the best dudley players in the world , and that dudley completely destroys sagat to the point where its very very very close to calling it a 6.5/3.5 match up im not just saying it cos i lost to a dudley player on ranked mode. He cannot out solid sagat is a very non valid statement , Dudleys hp and back hp absolutely rape sagat ,theres no such thing as far range fireballs in this match , any half decent dudley will dash threw and stay mid range or close pretty much all game , the second u even start to not press buttons scared of the HP , he can dash in , command dash in to start pressure or jump in HP , yes if your ABSOLUTELY ready for it and uppercut at the lowest point possible it doesnt trade , but do u understand u could play 10 games and u might hit it perfectly just once , in the flow of the dudley match up u have so much to think about u cant possibly be ready for it all the time , not against a truely high level dudley. In the corner if the dudley spaces correctly u are literally stuck , especially if he chooses ultra 1. No offence but not one of the japanese sagats or american sagats know about or have a very high level dudley player who plays them , i know this for a fact.
@ Heavyweapons , Interesting read , and i can see that alot of people think this is sagats worste match up , when in reality it really isnt bro , everybody has match ups they personally struggle in or just dont do that well in , now i know u have problems v fei long , and i agree the match up is not EASY . but if you know exactly what to do in the match and play perfectly , it really isnt that bad. Im not even talking about starnab even though i do play him , Evans , Slizzle , Yota , 3 european fei longs who i play offline regularly , all 3 are amazing and with different styles with fei long , now if u dont want to accept my statement thats cool , but i just want u to understand that sagat CAN fight fei , some sagat players are good v fei long , some are bad.Ask Ryan hart about this since he sometimes uses sagat as a counter pieck to fei in tournaments. If u want Bonchan v fei for example , he plays the match perfectly . If you watch RF , he struggles . Watch bonchan v Mago for a quick summary , yeah bonchan might lose to mago , but thats because of MAGO not fei long , its the player not the character in that occasion. I think bonchan would beat fuudo bad for example. I myself at one time thought this match was impossible ,but what if i told you i had technology v fei? I learnt the spacing for when u can cr mk tiger shot and not get reversal rekkad. do u know at first i used to get hit by every jumping MP set up? but now cross up or infront i block it everytime. I understand the character now , and that is what u need to be doing but once u spend the time on it and train hard v fei and all his options , u will understand where im coming from , keep at it bro , i know your salty after all the feis at evo lol
I DEFINITELY think Duds does better vs Sagat then Fei. Sagat can react to alot of Stuff fei does and punish alot of stuff fei does. Hell rekka needs perfect spacing to not get punished. On block.
How this match can be worse in AE is not possible. Fei is worse, Sagat is better. It doesn’t make sense.
Yeah of course im at my weakest. lol. I didn’t play the game for almost half a year. It would be sad if yall weren’t better then me don’t you think?
Who is this Duds you play btw?
I guess I haven’t played a single Dudley that knows how to fight Sagat because I can’t remember losing to a single one since I started playing AE. I think he is the only character I’m going 100% against. What about him is so hard? None of his buttons seem to beat Sagat’s and if kept at 3/4 screen, he has no options. If you have one that likes to do the duck punch or forward fierce, it is free damage on a ton of whiff punishes. I guess of all the Dudleys I’ve faced, and I’ve played some top 10 ranked ones on XBL (I know that doesn’t mean that they are good, but it is to emphasize that they have been ones who have at least put the time in and should have more experience in the match than me), I’ve yet to find one that is good enough at spacing. They seem to throw out slow moves at poor distances that I can just HK or MK all day long for free. It was in this match that I realized that a properly spaced far MK that lands a counter-hit can cleanly combo into a far HK. That is a very easy hit confirm and good damage off of two button presses. Bottom line: I can’t see how Dudley is hard for Sagat when I’ve yet to find one that I don’t remove half their life with whiff punish HKs.
thanks dude.
'fei long is getting easier, but still a bitch man.
but yea, i like what you said, bout during footsies, buffering sagat’s short normals for tiger shot. works mad sick against his mid range rekkas.
i’m starting to tag his CW on reaction with tiger uppercut and kara uppercut too.
lol, but so stupid sometimes.
if i throw a tiger shot. he just blocks and does safe rekkas.
and his rekkas push me into the corner.
and im bad with gamblin TU.
fei didnt get weaker in this game he got stronger lols jiji can you upload some matches against fei because when i was talking to sanford we both hate this matchup and i suggested that maybe being aggressive is the way to go against him since zoning feels like not a good option most of the time. the reason i think fei got better is his normals got buffed and now ex reka 2 hits and hes in positive frames which is fuckin stupid. sagat didnt get that much stronger fei got more buffs then sagat did. even mago says fei got better and said the chicken wing invinc doesnt matter the buffs he got help him more thats why hes the best character in the game i think hes better then yun. fei has less bad matchups . yun has at least 4-6 bad matchups plus he has to be used very aggressively whereas fei can turtle as well
I like Yang over both of them.
Yeah I said it.
Yun is much easier to zone than fei. Mid range dive kick, sagat’s St.hk easily keeps that mofo in check.
I lost to Singapore yun player kun hisen @ EVO in the second pool.
The problem I had is my Sagats tall ass hit box.
If u get caught in a block string along with million frame traps. And if i get knocked down, during wake up. Yun can do some ambiguous dive kick cross up during wake up right on top on sagat’s head. hard to judge. I wish I could have recorded my match. Next time I must do that.
I saw mago late tech focus cancel dash out most of them during stage play against yun’s dive and vipers flame kick.
I’ll try to start recording matched @ my HQ in Calgary, Canada (plz come to Canada cup 2011)
Heavy weapon, I just listen to ur podcast of don’t be scrub the other day lmao
Sagat and ryu. Enemy rivals like,
Crouching tiger, hidden dragon.
I luv it.
Edit: lately, besides fei.
I find Abel and blanka still fucking annoying regardless.
I need to play those guys much much more.
I know ibuki and Dudley is super hard though for sure.
Ibuki I end up blocking for long long time, and watching her meter and safe tiger knee reversal.
Dudley… Sigh, I play fundamentals with normals and tiger knee. I don’t really tiger shot him.
Yea, in my city. Not strong ibuki and dudley. But I play good ones online. And I somehow win by doing nothing fancy.
But yea. That’s my short opinion now.
I’m more bout opening my mind to ur guys opinions though.
I been playin sagat since late of vanilla and through super.
Super was a painful process for sagat. Regardless of the tiger uppercut damage nerd. Tiger knee was sooo shitty. My god.
Fei got buffed on frame data and normals. Hes better jiji, so the matchup is worse. However i agree, the matchup is alot dependant on the sagat player. You can play a fei long matchup correctly and win. It’s not retardedly hard not will you have to guess on a wakeup mixup like viper which leaves her safe and in zone to pressure. It’s fucking retarded when you have to guess correctly to not get hit and your opponent still has the advantage even tough you guessed correctly. It’s also true that if fei puts sagat in a corner it’s alot hard to get out of it, but once more there are options on your side and one correct guess will get you out of that situation. (Anyways , if you get cornered against fei, then your doing something wrong on the first place.)