I’m having trouble punishing shoto fireballs with u2, even if the animation has the FB just leaving their hands.
Basically I wonder if my eyes are playing tricks on me. I could have sworn Sagats U2 could punish these FBs from just inside full screen from MU vids I’ve seen in the past. I’m just finding the only way I can land u2 is through BnB FADC combos of which I could have picked u1 in the first place.
Learn not to suck
Thats great advise… srk forums really aren’t what they use to be, so bad now.
Cmon now. Why does he have to suck? Just give him some positive advice.
I guess I just should have said…
I’m new to sagat, can someone confirm for me that U2 is really only useful as a FB punish inside mid-screen because I could have sworn I saw full screen U2 fb punishes before.
So since it really doesnt “shutdown” the shoto fb game, why do most sagats prefer this ultra in these MU’s.
Personally, I don’t like to full screen unless I have meter. If your in a fireball war , it’s much easier to catch your opponent with an EX fireball whilst buffering the ultra. You can easily watch (or listen) for the EX blasting through the fireball and the second hit knocking them down at which point you just press your 3ppp and land the Ultra full screen.
Again, just my personal preference.
You will not punish any full screen fbs with U2. It’s good because FB’s are still used as footsie tools and powerful footsie tools at that. Plus any full screen ex shot means free U2 so yes Sagat does dominate the fb war with U2 you just need meter too. Which is fine cuz it’s Sagat. He almost always has meter.
I cant beat good ibuki players. Slide owns me. Not neckbreak but the down forward and forward slide. trying to find good match up videos but i cant find good consistent tech to fall back on. I try to keep her out with ts but it seems like it’s only a matter of time before I throw a bad one and she gets neckbreak on me. Then the knockdown shenanigans finish out the round. Any constructive tips besides not sucking?
first, dont suck.
second, footsies
third, tiger shot is dope… but not that dope.
fourth, I dont understand how people think this matchup is bad for sagat. besides the wake up bologna she dies easy.
fifth, learn to block or avoid her wake up bologna.
It’s straight 5-5 imo. Sagat straight up whoops her ass in almost ALL aspects.
But all this little kunoichi needs is one knockdown and a few guesses to end the match. That’s simply the reality of the situation.
i don’t think i’ve made a single post in these subforums ever, but i’ve been a sagat player since vanilla. he’s got his fair share of tough matches, but the only one that makes me want to stop playing Sf4 altogether is the Viper match. the info on the first page isn’t really all that helpful, as it really only works against shitty vipers. i play against wolfkrone a fair share so i’m talking about high level viper. i feel like sagat has zero options once she gets going. as soon as she has one meter, i feel pretty helpless. TU feels pretty useless in this match as an AA option…only if the jump in is super obvious. i dunno, i’ve been playing this matchup since vanilla and it’s the only one i’m still completely clueless in. outside of “just counterpick her” what the fuck should i be doing? conventional zoning and footsies do not work, and sagat moves like a slug.
I think that mashing is a viable strategy.
Knock her down and abuse her wake-up. Sagat can meaty trap her but you must be PERFECT. Sumtimes block and punish w/e wake-up option she chose. Also at points where the match is neutral just be random and don’t try to play a normal game vs her. Lots of neutral jumping, random shots, random jump fierce, jump strong, jump forward, etc. And yes you will have to mash sumtimes. Other times you will need to have marvel level blocking abilitites.
Viper takes this match. No one can question that. She hits harder, has more ultra set-ups and combo oportunities and she has a solid advantage at mid range. But really the match is 4-6 her favor. You have a decent shot at winning if you play smart and know your options. Don’t get upset if you die to vortex. That’s the king’s weakness. Take the losses in stride and use them to become a stronger player. That’s what’s ultimately about anyways.
I cant see how Ibuki’s a problem, play very defensive and punish her mistakes. Ibuki is free. Dont suck though.
Ibuki damn sure ain’t free. Maybe shitty ones.
coming back from EVO.
i FUCKING HATE FEI LONG!!!
what can sagat do to him?? seriously?..
his cr.hp is fucking annoying and his normals are so good.
fei long’s rekkas push sagat into the corner.
then what?..
you cant’ jump out of the corner. fei long’s AA flame kick takes 200 damage.
his normals and rekkas stuff tiger shots.
from quarter range, his focus attack can eat a tiger shot and still crumple you. its sooo stupid good.
from mid range, he has ex chicken wing.
from safe tiger knee range, he can do cr.mk to make tiger knee completely whiff.
just beats me up in the corner.
too scared press buttons to eat counter hits and eat ex chicken wing.
and i HATE mashing tiger uppercut, like gimmicky random play.
sometimes i feel thats the only ticket out of the corner and i hate that.
Sagat’s st.mk beats most of FEi’s stuff including low fierce. CW’s can be tagged on reaction with TU. You need to be perfect. This is true of alot of Sagat’s matches. To beat gat Fei needs to be a little stupid and that’s what you need to take advantage of. Use slow shots during footsies. Leave gaps to draw out CW and jump ins so you can TU.
Start bufferig normals into high tiger shots. Low strong and stand jab are great for this. Both stuff rekkas and have god recovery so are fairly safe to whiff.
I did a write-up for this match back in Super and the match honestly hasn’t changed. Also st.lk is good for geting him to back off since now the damage isn’t abysmal so it’s a solid footsie tool.
Here is the link to the write-up thread.
thanks for the info, i’ll take everything into consideration.
i’m kinda iffy about battlin fei’s foosties, his rekkas and cr.hp with sagat’s st.mk. hmmm, i’ll try
yeah, i can usually take fei with TU during jump in and st.HK to sometimes stuff his chicken wing.
I can do fairly well until he string pushes me into the corner and keeps me on lock down.
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They are. They have the same mixups over and over again. Expect it and punish.
Dudley main here, How do you Sagat mains feel about the Dudley matchup? What do you look to do against him? Just trying to broaden my matchup knowledge, thanks in advance for your input.