Tiers for non-fighting games?

Kev is not suited for healing at all, unless you do solo games. I love combos in this game(I can do infinites pretty much on any open field on reg mob) so I don’t solo that much, I did include my solo time and levels for considerations to the tier though. Leaf saber > aura wave, because kev doesn’t need aura wave. The casting time negates its use; just attack and you’d have lvl 2 filled by the end of casting time. Saber spells and buffs in general are awesome and leaf saber enables me to use them on reg mobs too and not boss only. LD class doesn’t get hit as hard to dark spells as LL either.

Look at it simple way, mang. Highest HP. If you have to rely on magic, you’re gonna end up playing longer play throughs. Stat downs ain’t crap for good 80% of the game, whereas buff on the other hand is far much more useful. but that’s reisz, not hawk anyhow. High agi is nice only in theories, agi don’t evade magic/specials. DL and DD are fun, but not better IMO. Do solo/duo runs and just see how much harder they are.

absolutely. it’s only 6 MPs.

My absolute fav thing is to
go onto new screen,
have reisz cast,
enemies close distance,
kev transform(enemies’ attack wiff)
kev hits,
marduk combos.
takes out enemies pretty much 3/4th of the time. The other guys then are picked off.

Leaf Saber sucks for Kevin. He doesn’t need MP regen, and the minuscule attack boost does not stack with Werewolf/Pressure Point nor Stat Ups, plus the boost disappears when hit. The only characters who benefit from Leaf Saber are Hawk and Lise, who are both decent-to-great attackers and who rely on their spells.

Moon Saber, on the other hand, is good. HP regen >>>>>> MP regen (though some enemies resist Moon saber). Dervish also doesn’t have Pressure Point, so the minor attack boost can sometimes be useful (until you get hit of course). So I can’t argue with your placement of Dervish.

And higher INT means 8 to 10 points less damage from spells. Not really much at all. Even if the spirit difference doesn’t matter (and you’re right, it doesn’t unless you have Duelist and Ninja Master), the Strength does, and God Hand wins here.

Class has no effect on HP; All of Hawk’s classes have the same amount of HP. Ninja Master is at least even with Rogue in combat ability, so if there’s any advantage the Rogue has, it has to be in spellcasting. On the other hand, Nightblade completely demolishes Rogue in combat and spells.

Seriously, I don’t see what the Rogue has going for him. Sleep Flower?

I’m going to do tiers for various foods.

Fruits:

— Top Tier —

  • Apples - long shelf life, filling, come in both red delicious and green variety and perfect to kiss your teacher’s ass.
  • Pears - Simply delicious. In fact I would compare their legendary taste to ambrosia, the food of the gods. Also cheap and portable.
  • Oranges - So many different ways to eat them! Would rate higher, but you have to peel the damn things. So much for us guys with short fingernails.

— Mid Tier —

  • Grapes - Taste-wise, these things are Top tier. But the fact they need to be kept in the refrigerator constantly (IMO) limits their longevity. Also, their small size makes it hard to know when to stop. They are also not exactly cheap.
  • Grapefruit - Well, they last awhile, but they are an acquired taste. Plus they can be difficult to peel perfectly and sometimes squirt in your eye. I hate that shit.

— Low Tier —

  • Strawberries - this things have NO self life, although they taste kinda good. The main thing is the price and the fact you cannot carry them with you. But they’re the only option to make your bowl of cereal look sexy.

Bread:

Top tier - Wheat Bread
Mid tier - Whole Grain bread
Low tier - White bread

Need I explain this? Chuckles I should think not.

Utensils:
Top tier - Sporks (Because its a fork AND a spoon)
Mid tier - Everything else
Low tier - butterknife (You can get by without it)

Bananas and blueberries are also good for that. Blueberries should hang with strawberries in low tier; Bananas should be high tier.

Girls are all over the chocolate + strawberries combination. Gets them aroused. That makes strawberries top tier.

No way. Bananas spoil extremely quickly and are too fragile. I think they’re only saving grace is they are quickly consumed and I believe they are fairly cheap. Mid-tier at best. I agree with the blueberries though.

Unless you get hit by boss spells like Ancient or something, then it’s as bad as 50~100 pts difference.

Leaf saber is not for kevin. It’s for other heavy MP wasters like Reisz, Hawk, Angie and Charlie. Iirc all saber magics have same duration, just different strength. Moon like you said may regen enemies, although if you know what you doing that shouldn’t happen. Moon and Leaf should be used together anyway though, so this is probably a moot point.

I really doubt class has no effect. I don’t use sleep flower btw, but at any rate, he needs a lot less healing. I’ve done playthroughs with both DL Angie - DD Kev - LD Hawk and DL Angie - DD Kev - DD Hawk. What I did was I stocked up 99 poto oils before the final dungeon(not mana palace), and when I got out, the first team had mid 30s poto oils left, and the second team was almost down to 10s. At any case, it’s not like they’re MILES better, and I guess he does suit better your style which looks to me like magic combos. I like simple brute forces with high reg def and high reg atk.

No watermelons in fruit tier? That’s shinanigans.

Watermelons are god-tier. I’m a low-tier player, okay?

No, it’s still 8 or so points difference (actually 9; God Hand’s final headpiece has one less MDF than Kevin’s other class’ stuff). Magic damage is (roughly) this formula:

Magic damage = (25 * MP Cost of spell) + (Spell Power * Respective Spell Stat) - Magic Defense.

x2 if spell is of opposite element, x1.25 if on the same element day, x0.75 if multi-target.

So MDF is basically a 1-for-1 reduction in damage. That’s not a huge number unless you have gobs of it (i.e. Angela).

No enemy regens Moon, but some are “immune” to the effect and only take one damage per hit from Moon Saber.

I agree that Leaf Saber is better for casters, but the problem is that makes Warrior Monk a better suit for magic teams rather than melee. If melee > magic, then that means Warrior Monk is inferior to God Hand. Yes, Leaf Saber is usually better than Aura Wave (except in an all melee team, especially one with Duran or Vanadies Lise), but I don’t think Leaf Saber is better than Aura Wave and a 13 x2 attack bonus.

Class really does have no effect on HP, other than in VIT (1 VIT = 1.5 HP), but since a character’s final classes all have the same max VIT anyway…

I’m not sure what Rogue has that would cause him to take less damage. His magic defense is the same as Nightblade’s (144 max), and evasion (which matters little) is 45 versus Nightblade’s 44. Everyone caps defense at 300, so that’s not an issue either.

Honestly, I alternate between magic and melee. In general, melee does win out (mainly because of Kevin’s brokenness), but magic isn’t that inferior. All depends on the team.

Post your final class tiers.

Archie comics tiers:

S

Jughead: This man is awesome. He seems like a lazy bum most of the time, but he’s been shown to have several talents, plus he’s very intelligent (second only to Dilton). Jughead doesn’t follow any trends; he does his own thing all day, every day. He has a trademark hat, for example (the crown), and he’s usually wearing a shirt with a large “S” on it. I recall a story where he was going to reveal what the “S” meant, like it was something really important, but he never did reveal it. A possible problem is he avoids relationships with women (I think it was because of some past relationship when he was younger), but that isn’t enough to drop him from S tier. Jughead is best known for his love of food, and the fact that he never gains weight because of high metabolism. Jughead has no bad matchups whatsoever. If he feels like it, he could dominate anyone.

A

Reggie: He’s a prankster, a narcissist, a talented athlete, and upper-mid class in terms of finances. He’s Archie’s rival in terms of scoring chicks. What makes Reggie A tier is he provides a lot of the comedy in the comics, sometimes at his expense. What prevents Reggie from being S tier is his crush on Midge. Midge dates Moose, who is pretty low-tier, but is a bad match-up for Reggie 100% of the time.

Betty: I put her in A tier because she’s probably the girl every guy wants in real life. She’s great with kids, she’s a top cook, does well in school, can fix cars, like games, and she’s good-looking. She defines the “girl next door.” Betty is nice, maybe to a fault, but everyone likes her. Add the fact that Jughead, who avoids getting close to women, likes Betty, and that puts her in high tier. The only major problem is that she keeps going after Archie, who’s pretty stupid. He reminds me of Ryo Hazuki, and Betty is Nozomi. Betty unfortunately has a bad match-up in Veronica, who is a lower tier character.

B

Hiram Lodge: Veronica’s father. You don’t see him too often in the comics, but when you do, it usually involves him being pissed off at Archie for some reason. He has the ability to shut down Veronica completely, as Veronica depends on him for money. Occasionally gets the butler assist. Loses to Archie often.

C

Veronica: She’s almost the opposite of Betty. Although she is beautiful, she has no problems backstabbing her friends. Archie always tries to get with her, and most of the time he does, but Veronica will go behind his back and date some other guy. She may play tricks on people, sometimes with Reggie. Because she’s rich, Veronica is vain, and she tries to solve everything with money. She’s kinda like a female Ted DiBiase, except she doesn’t have a black bodyguard. It wouldn’t be surprising if her father cut her off, which is what any good father should do when their daughter spends too much money. Veronica’s worst match-ups are Jughead, sometimes Betty (50/50), and her father.

Archie: He’s supposed to the the main character in the comics, but he’s in the lower tier for a number of reasons. First, he has this sickening obsession with Veronica when Betty is clearly the better choice. Veronica plays this fool every chance she gets. Archie is usually oblivious to Betty’s advances, but in rare cases, Betty will get her way. Archie is a clumsy guy, and he doesn’t do that well in school, yet he gets girls because he has game and good looks. Archie’s best friend is Jughead, so basically the fact that he even knows Jughead more than anyone else prevents him from D or lower tier. Worst match-ups are Veronica, Mr. Weatherbee, Mrs. Grundy. Archie (far as I know) still drives the red jalopy, which is a broken mess. He really should get a Honda.

Dilton: He’s the smartest character, and everyone goes to him for academic help. He’s not popular with the ladies, making Dilton the stereotypical geek who can’t get any. He’s not really a regular, so he can’t possibly be high tier.

D

Moose: He’s the stereotypical jock; he’s a superior athlete, but he’s the dumbest person in Riverdale High(apparently it’s a disability). He usually starts his sentences with “duh,” and for some insane reason his girlfriend is Midge, who’s one of the better looking girls in Riverdale. Moose is extremely jealous; if you so much as look at Midge, he will bust your ass through a wall. Midge may be with Moose against her will…
In a sense, Moose has no bad-matchups (except maybe Dilton) because nobody really opposes him. But he has no good qualities that warrant a higher tier, and instead has a bunch of bad qualities.

Chuck: To be honest, I don’t know too much about Chuck because you rarely see him in the comics. All I know is that he’s a decent athlete, and I think he’s an okay student (better than Archie and Moose, at least). He’s also black, but that shouldn’t count for anything tier-wise.

Riverdale High faculty: includes Mr. Weatherbee (principal), Ms. Grundy (teacher), Professor Flutesnoot (teacher), and some others whose names I forget, but probably aren’t worth mentioning anyway. They usually get owned by the gang.

F

Ethel: Nasty. No figure, has a buck tooth, and she’s in love with Jughead. There’s no hope for this woman. Jughead can’t be tamed by someone the likes of Ethel.

Mr. Svenson: The school Janitor. Not a memorable character at all, and has poor English.

Soma Bringer anyone? and LOL at Archie tiers, but i DO agree with S tier (jughead.)

Jughead is god tier. Now I have to do a cartoon tier list. I made one for Rugrats not long ago. Let me see what I can remember.

S Tier
Susie: No one(but NO ONE) can fuck with Susie. There’s not a single episode with her in it that doesn’t end with Susie solving the fucking problem. Granted, sometimes Angelica tries to sabotage her, but she never succeeds. Susie has Magneto’s speed and Sentinel’s damage, and just like Storm, you can’t touch her. Broken. Fucking broken.

Reptar: Reptar seems to be a wild card, but you never see him lose. Whether it’s in his show, or the toy Reptar that saved Tommy’s ass I don’t know how many times, Reptar is the Sentinel of Rugrats.

A Tier
Tommy: One of the cool things about Rugrats is that it has a competent hero. Tommy can do most things that Susie can do, but due to how gung-ho he is, he sometimes bites off more than he can chew. Granted, his distress rarely lasts, but it’s enough to put him into A rather than S. He’s not Susie-level broken, that’s for goddamn sure.

Grandpa: The only adult worth mentioning by name, Grandpa seems to understand the babies more than anyone else, and he tends to be a broken assist to Tommy which helps with Angelica bullshit. Dat chocolate milk, yo.

B Tier
Phil and Lil: These two are the shit, but they fall from A to B tier because they don’t do much other than help Tommy out. If they had their own moments of shining glory, they’d be hax, but it seems that they don’t really have anything to prove. Tommy has to remain the hero, and Chuckie has to show the world that he’s not useless, so Phil and Lil only really have to do their own thing, like most twins in cartoons these days.

Spike: Spike suffers from Phil and Lil Syndrome in that all he really does is assist. On his own, he doesn’t do jack diddly shit. That said, making Tommy move faster than the adults(which Spike often does) is a broken fucking asset.

Chuckie: The perpetual underdog, Chuckie has a few bad matchups in the grown-ups and Angelica, but his only real limit is himself. He has the potential to be Susie status, but he will never reach it because he’s just that much of a pussy. At the same time, though, he has his uses, such as distraction while Tommy takes care of bidness, and he’s saved people’s asses on more than one occasion.

C Tier
Angelica: In another cartoon, she’d rule the universe, but as it is, Angelica’s a constant jobber. Never ending up on top is a surefire ticket to C rank or lower, and as a result, here she is. She can start some incredible set-ups, but she rarely(if ever) has the opportunity to finish them, which makes winning very difficult for her…perhaps impossible.

Any adult that isn’t Grandpa: The adults only exist as obstacles for Tommy/Chuckie/Phil/Lil/Susie to overcome, and as a blockade that stops Angelica from ruling the universe. They aren’t difficult for Tommy, Susie, and the twins to outsmart, and even Chuckie can assist Tommy/Susie along with the twins to distract them from stopping the hero from doing hero things. Honestly, they’re less of a threat and more of a nuisance 90% of the time. I’ve never seen any kid that isn’t Angelica lose to the adults, ever.

I’m not judging that stupid bitch Kimi either. The show started sucking when Kimi showed up, which is too bad, because Amanda Bynes’s character(Taffy the babysitter) was pretty cool.

I updated my Archie tier list. Someone else can add to the list or provide counter-arguments to my list. Jughead is undisputable, though. :bgrin:

You seem to have forgotten one of Jug’s terrible match-ups in that awful, awful Trula Twyst. But you’re right about Jug being the absolute best.

Wow.

You guys suck.

Bonkers is easily the best because simple Up+B spam can get even the most stupid player through the arena. Killing every boss in two hits is just laughable. Doesn’t matter if you get hit back too.

Rocky and Bugzzy are also Top simply due to having an invulnerability skill that they can maintain for as long as they want. It becomes a patience game, but can nonetheless get you through the arena easily, even if slowly.

Don’t know if you are even still interested but:

SSS Tier
Tails: Medi-bots! Those alone can pretty easily keep your whole team supplied with heals and POW continuously. Simple input too, so you shouldn’t ever fail it. Plus, with his two actions per turn, Tails winds up with one free turn to do other things like Hyper a teammate or Vulnerable an enemy too.

SS Tier
Cream: Only slightly less good than Tails. Like him, she can easily heal and function as a POW battery for your team. Slightly lower rating however due to trickier inputs, and serving no use outside of heals and POW restore.

S Tier
E-123 OMEGA: The best damage-dealer in the game. Has loads of AOE attacks, including his basic default attack. Beam Cannon is the hardest-hitting attack in the game, and inflicts Vulnerable to boot. Also has high HP and armor to take a beating.

A Tier
**Shadow: ** With 3 actions per turn, an armor pierce that hits two targets, a strong hit-all, and a chance at instant KO that works frequently and inflicts status ailment when it fails, he’s very useful. Heavy PP usage is his only major drawback really, and honestly the only thing keeping him out of S Tier.
**Knuckles: ** A good fighter character capable of both taking and dealing damage, plus carrying a hit-all that stuns.
Dr Robotnik: While not a team player by any means, Eggman’s lack of versatility is made up for with higher-than-average stats in all fields. Too bad you don’t get to use him for very long.
Big: The only tank of your team. Capable of drawing the attention of enemies, taking the hits, healing himself, and dealing a fair amount of damage too. Big is nearly invaluable on boss fights, especially considering that you don’t really have any other options for filling this role.
Shade: Another damage character. Nothing overly special, but can certainly kill things. Also has HP leech on some of her attacks, which is handy.

B Tier
Amy Rose: This one surprised me. Amy actually has the highest base damage in the game. Unfortunately, her special attacks favor status ailments over boosted damage, so she just can’t quite keep up with the raw damage characters. But she still hits fairly hard and has a few party support skills too.
Sonic: Rather lackluster main character. It’s not that he’s bad per se, it’s just that he has nothing special. With 3 actions per turn, he sucks PP down quick. But damage-wise, his skills don’t quite meet the numbers of other characters’ skills with the same PP cost. Not to mention that he has several Wind attacks, which almost everything in the game is resistant to.

F Tier
Rouge: Poor Rouge hits like a kitten, deals Wind damage in her specials (see above), and has no good status ailments. She’s useless.

As is typical of the Metal Slug series, most weapons are to a degree situational, and they tend to give them to you in areas where they would be useful. The only ones that truly suck are Dropshot, and maybe Rocket Launcher. Heavy Machine Gun could possibly be the best simply due to versatility and being useful in all situations, even if not overpowering in any. Shotgun and Flameshot would probably also rate pretty high.

Character Tiers for Metal Slug 7:
Top Tier
Ralf: Takes two hits to kill and can smash vehicles and some bosses very quickly with Vulcan Punch. Half ammo on all weapons sucks, but can be dealt with for the two major advantages listed above. Also has double melee attack speed, though that makes little difference.

High Tier
Fio: With a free Heavy Machine Gun each time she spawns, plus 150% ammo to all weapons, Fio should never be left using the handgun. This gives her consistently high damage output and good versatility. Definitely the most fun to use, which is great because she’s always been my favorite character anyway.

Mid Tier
Tarma: Boy this is a hard one. Tarma is crazy useful in vehicles thanks to extra vehicle health, the ability to lock the gun in a fixed direction while moving, and bonus vehicle damage output. Unfortunately, he’s got nothing outside of vehicles. Nonetheless, he’s particularly invaluable for S ranking some of the Mission 2 and Mission 6 Combat Training, so I think he still deserves Mid.
Eri: If Grenades were more plentiful, Eri could easily make High Tier. Unfortunately, they aren’t. So while her damage output is high while you have them, it isn’t really maintainable. Being able to throw Grenades upwards does mean that she can bomb a few bosses that nobody else can (like Mission 7 final boss).
Marco: Double handgun damage would be great except that you could just pick Fio instead and never use the handgun in the first place. However, it’s still handy if you don’t have a special weapon, and some of the Combat Training does force you to use just the handgun. Marco would also rate higher if this game had co-op (why doesn’t it?!) since the other player might pick Fio faster than you.

Low Tier
Clark: While admittedly, using Argentina Backbreaker on enemies is great fun at times, it’s really not that useful all around, even with the invulnerability it gives. He does gets an extra life per credit though (oh joy! sarcasm). Pick Ralf.

still interested thx a bunch for the info :slight_smile:

I don’t know if anyone played it back in the day, but here are tiers for Phantasy Stars 2 and 4. I’ll start with Phantasy Star 2

Phantasy Star 2

Top Tier

  • Rolf- He has high stats all across the board and he has the best damage techs in the game. He has the best attack tech as well. His only flaw is that he’s forced to use TP against robots due to their resistance against his swords

  • Amy- She has the best healing moves in the game and is moderately fast. Her defense blows, but that can be fixed with gear, since there’s nice gear at the end game. Her attack becomes respectable if you have her dual-wield Fire Rods

  • Rudo- He has no techs and is on the slow side, but he can make short work of most things with his attacks. High physical stats, plus his gun lets him eat robots for breakfast

Mid Tier

  • Anna- Her attack is really good (not as much as Rolf and Rudo), but she can tear through normal enemies with her slashers attacking groups. Her only useful move is Shift and she’s worthless against robots. Use Kain when fighting robots instead of Anna

  • Kain- He’s only really useful when you’re fighting robots. He rapes robots for free, but he can fight bio monsters if he has the right weapons. His stats are average, so he’s nothing special outside of anti-robot. As such, he’s not worth using at the end of the game

  • Nei- She has to be in your party while you have her, but she’s fast and fights well. She can also heal a bit and she levels quickly. You lose her for good about halfway through the game though

Low Tier

  • Shir- Her physical stats suck and lack of good weaponry (Amy’s Fire Rods are better than her ultimate weapons) make her the worst fighter in the game. Her TP is mediocre at best. She learns some nice techs, but Rolf is more useful for that purpose. She’s useful because she can randomly steal crap from shops, but don’t use her in serious battles. She can steal better crap based on her level, so keep her up there.

  • Hugh- Hugh is useless. Her barely fights better than Shir physically and his techs are only useful against bio monsters. He does learn some decent techs later, but Rolf has much better techs, stats, and gear. Bio monsters can be dealt with easily enough because they tend to have low defense and are susceptible to Foi and Zan most the time anyway. He really becomes worthless when robots start appearing. Do not use Hugh, ever