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Dragon Age: Origins companion tiers, anybody?

While I’m here, I’ll do a tier list for the weapons in WET, a game nobody liked but me.

S: Pistols
A: Shotguns
B: Sword
C: Crossbows
D: Sub-Machine Guns

You can run through the entire game on Fixer mode without ever switching away from pistols and have very little real trouble. The high rate of fire means they do really high damage per second and there’s not much penalty for missing. The shotguns are really effective to deal with large groups of enemies when you’re forced into close quarters and want to get more style points. They’re also a decent boss-killer. Jump over or slide past a leader spamming the shotguns and he should go down pretty quick. The sword is decent and the damage output is stupid high, but the style point reward for it is so low unless you go out of your way to dispatch every enemy with acrobatic sword kills like Rising Slash. You have to buy all of those, though. The crossbows are obnoxious because they aren’t really as explosive as they claim to be. You usually have to wait for enemies to cluster the fuck up before they get really effective, and this game moves so quickly that it’s very difficult to rely on enemy positioning. The sub-machine guns suck a fat cock for a dollar and a dime because there’s no reason not to use the pistols instead. 'Nuff said.

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Lynne is so much better than anyone else it isn’t even funny… The worst ones are probably Zevran (Leliana is better in every way) and Sten (only one specialization, WTF?). I got bored of the game so I don’t have the DLC so I don’t know about any additions there.

My speculation:

SS - Lynne (She would be the best even with only the Healer spec and the normal spells, but you can also make her an Arcane Warrior at which point everyone else can just leave and go cry in a corner)

A - Morrigan (She’s actually almost as bad a mage as it is possible to make in the game, having the god-awful Shapeshifter specialization, but just being a mage in this game is basically better than anything else)

B - Alistair, Dog (Tanks. I’m not totally sure how good the dog is, I’ve seen some calling him better than Alistair)

C - Leliana, Oghgren (Rogues are crap unless controlled directly, at least in the 360 version, but do more damage than fighters if they are… However in that case you probably are using one as the main character. Oghgren can’t defend as well as the tanks, which is really what fighters are for in this game)

D - Zevran, Sten (Zevran is gotten late and is a close combat rogue, both bad points against him vs Leliana. Sten is either buggy or horribly designed, getting only one specialization vs everyone else’s two. He’s still usable, but you simply don’t need another crappy fighter when you can use only 3 characters)

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You probably mean Wynne, but yeah mages in DAO are simply overpowered. The best team combination is no doubt 3 mages and one tank soley for flat out damage. The most balanced team would be tank, 2 mages, and a rogue. Spirit Healer+Arcane Warrior is great for survivability, but I prefer AW+blood mage to cut down radicalizing lynum potions during combat. That list is about right, but something things I wanna address:

  • War Dog is great at that start, but is simply outclassed by human/elf/drawf/etc. customization. He will and should get replaced as soon as other companions become available. All he can do is simply attack, while gaining no benefits to wearing armor or being able to attack long range. Collars only grant small bonuses while armor and weaponry gain more attention for their ability to chained/linked together for better bonuses. War Dog is NOT a tank, he just has great constitution to take in some blows. Shale (DLC) or Alistar are the games best tanks.

  • Morrigan is good, but a well-built Leliana will ALWAYS topple her. Leliana’s archer abilities are the best in the game, and she can cause incredible damage with little time to build up. Leliana is also a great dual-weapon user, though it takes more time to build the payoff for back-stabs and critical are HUGE. Zervan is the best dual wielder you’ll find (well that or the warden) so I always use Leilana as an archer. As you mentioned shapeshifter job is a real letdown, and I find Wynne’s starting abilities way useful than Morrigan’s. You really don’t need any huge investments in primal magic like inferno, shock, etc. since other abilities are better (Crushing Prison/Force Field/etc) Mages are overpowered, but they will fall easily if targeted that’s why tanks/lures are a necessity. My CPU controlled Leilana is a monster btw, Song of Valor is pretty damn good to have off the back too.

  • Zervan doesn’t come late at all. During my 3 playthroughs of the game I got him just before I finished the ruins chapter (it’s always the first quest I decide to do), that’s quite early in the game if you go that route. The thing with Zervan is that you have to get him +80 approval at some point of the game or it’s sayonara. Close combat rogues are very good but if they aren’t built well they’re gonna suck and you won’t get many criticals or backstabbing.

  • I don’t see many people using Sten or Orghen, but Orghen is just tad better coming with berserker and all. I think Sten’s sword sucks, I’ve seen a lot of Sten’s equipped with this weapon. While I guess it makes sense because it IS his weapon, it’s only a tier 3 and can only hold one weapon rune.

  • About Shale: Yeah it’s DLC, so you gotta pay to get her. Is she worth it? Well, yeah but only if you have no plans to train Alistar. I always like to play with a tank in my party but I guess an Arcane Warrior can suffice. The only thing about Arcane Warriors is that wearing all that heavy armor really hurts their fatigue, so they’re liking to miss regular attacks and won’t move as fast unlike in robes. Going back to Shale, she’s a golem so she’ll miss A LOT of attacks. That’s one thing I hate about her to say at least, golems teem to swing wildly missing a lot.

I think the tiers should look like this:

a: wynne
b: lelianna, alistar, morrigan
c: shale, orghen, zervan
d: sten
fail: war dog

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I had an archer leliana with the ranger specialization to get the bear summon, but I don’t think she is anywhere near morrigan just for the fact that archer dps is really low compared to everything else. Sure you got stuff like shattering shot and pin shot to lock down an enemy, but they are slower to let out than a quick cone of cold or fireball or other dozens of ways mages have to lock down/kill people. Even better when you start mixing up spells, since you’ll kill or lock down a room even faster. Though bard songs are really great though if you have a lot of melee in the party and not running around with 3 mages. Even though double haste made archers pretty damn fast (but they benefit less form it than any melee class due to some multiplier you can look up on dragon age wiki), just the fact that the archers have to go through drawing animations and all that make their dps rather low.

I think Leliana does make a better assassin than zevran I think. The bard/assassin actually go well together and since she comes earlier you have more control on her stats. Though I think archer suits her better than a backstabbing dual wielder because she gets a unique bow.

I also think Ogren could make a decent tank with indomitable because he can’t get knocked down. He’ll do better dps but alistar is still way better with his ways to stun, knockdown, and survivability.

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Yeah I remembered her name wrong, I haven’t even played the game for ages, but felt a need to answer to that because I was interested in seeing discussion on the game so I figured putting up any kind of a list would get it going… Seemed to work ;). (not for Gladius, though, but no-one played that I guess…)

Any opinions on New Vegas weapons/skills? I’ve only played it once through using Guns, and started again with Unarmed. I wanted to see if they’d have toned Unarmed down since it was pretty ridiculous in F3… At first it seems they did, but then you get Piercing Strike, which is just wrong…

Or Fable 3. Unless I was the only one stupid enough to buy that. It’s horrendous, in case you were wondering… Here’s my tier list:

‘Banned’: Magic (Not really, but if you want to actually feel like you are playing a game you might not want to use stuff like Force Push, Shock, Vortex, etc. Totally broken; combine any 2 which disable the enemies and constantly spam area attack.)

God Tier: Guns (It’s a bit slower to kill enemies since you can only shoot one guy at the time. They still can’t do anything though; you have an invincible dodge move to roll away with, and there are only a couple of enemies in the game with ranged attacks worth mentioning about)

‘Why?’ Tier: Melee (Yeah, you can hit enemies with a sword too. Is it a good idea in any way? Hell no, I don’t think there are any situations at all where this is better than shooting or casting a spell. Many enemies can easily block your strikes and maul you, whereas magic and ranged are unblockable, ranged, and magic can be cast in a 360 radius which even the most wide sweeping weapons don’t do. If you want to give the enemies a chance then feel free to use this, from a gameplay perspective it’s 100% worthless)

Bottom Tier: The combat system itself. You can’t die. If you get enough damage, which is difficult anyway because of crappy AI and abundant healing potions, you just fall down and bounce immediately back up. This causes you to lose a little experience, which is almost meaningless, and if you already have all the skills you want to use it has no effect whatsoever… Does this even count as a game?

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Fuck, Sten isn’t good? He’s my favorite character…I had plans to use him, Wynne, and Leliana, and tank myself as an Arcane Warrior.

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Well he fails compared to everyone else because he can only have one specialization, whereas everyone else can have 2. Sten’s unique sword isn’t also that good. But on the other hand he’s really good at depriving fat kids of cookies. Though you can use him, games not too hard unless you are installing some nightmare mods. I liked that it was totally okay to be a jerk to him and being a nice guy didn’t cut it with him (I played a rather douchey Nathan Drake look-a-like).

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Sten has tricky approval rating conversations, but it’s nowhere near as bad as Morrigans “survival of the fittest” analogies. I normally get Sten to do his side quest and prolong the game, but other than that he’s hard to fit on my squads because other characters just topple him. Well all characters are useful in their own way, there’s builds for Sten but I still prefer other character setups.

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Lufia: Curse of the Sinistrals (NDS) Character Tier List

S Tier
Maxim - Has that typical RPG protagonist stat base: Great HP, Atk, Int, and Def. Also has the best melee attacks in the game. Once you get the Egg Ring (which grants unlimited IP), you can hold R and Spam Y~X as an infinite. His Fire charge attack is also good for travelling (X, A to dodge cancel, repeat). Also, his ability where he always has 1-HP left after receiving a killing attack is too good. Almost no reason not to use him.

A Tier
Selan - Only worth using if the enemies are highly resistant to physical attacks. Charge attack does insane magic-based damage to enemies within range, and it will probably be the move to use to kill bosses fast enough to obtain Dragon Eggs. Also has the same ability as Maxim that gives them 1-HP if hit by a killing attack, which is really good.

B Tier
Tia - Only worth using for that Fatal Blow move (R+X) to do insane damage at a range. This move might be useful for getting those Dragon Eggs, but Selan can do the same job too. Also, her defense and speed hold her down from being considered A-tier.

Dekar - Somewhat an underachiever due to him not exactly excelling in anything. You can give him whatever weapons you want, which is good if you don’t want to use a certain character. The best part about Dekar is that he gains the same amount of experience points even if he is benched, which means he will probably be your highest leveled character. He also has the same ability as Maxim/Selan, which is very helpful.

C Tier
Artea - Good for mobility, but doesn’t do enough damage to be considered useful.

Guy - Strong, but too slow to bother using if Maxim can do more damage faster.

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Could use a Castle Crashers tier list.

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Honestly, the character differences in the game are so small they are almost insignificant. The only things of note I can say are that the two characters with sawblades are better than the rest because their magic is one of the few that does damage effectively ever, the ice guy being close behind for having the only notable status effect of the cast, and the green guy being slightly worse due to his unique attack animation making it very slightly harder to juggle.

Keep in mind I don’t have and never will have any of the DLC characters.

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The Golem in Dragon Age is pretty awesome, probably the best tank.

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shale’s ok but I don’t think it’s worth 15 bucks lol

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Nah, not worth it, that addons a lot better than I expected but I wouldn’t have paid that much extra for it.

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Disclaimer 1: this keyboard has no question mark.
Disclaimer 2: what the hell :confused:

Ah Lufia! Are there lists for the first 2 games :questionmark:

Also, would there be any interest for Breath of Fire 1 and 2 lists :questionmark: I am willing to try my hand at Samurai Warriors 2: Empires, too, in case that haven’t been done already (which seems to be true).

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For BOF, here you are.

Although I might have some problems with that BOF 2 list.

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I can accept that BoF2 list if the player doesn’t abuse the house that allows cooking, but there needs to be a list for players that abuse cooking. If one abuses cooking, then the list is

S Tier

  • Jean - He has the best spread of spells, can max out his offense, and his Chop skill can be abused if you party him with normal Katt

  • Katt - If you up her defense, she becomes your best tank with her taunt skill since other characters can pick up her offensive slack. Of course she can max out her offense the quickest.

A Tier (all of these characters can max out offense)

  • Sten - He’s like Katt, except without the ability to tank

  • Spar - Versatility in shaman forms, though her stat boosting magic is useless once you max out the party’s offense

  • Bow - Some of his gimmicky crossbows become a lot more useful because his offense becomes respectable, but his healing is pretty much useless

B Tier

  • Hero - Since he can’t be fused with Shamans he can never max out offense and his dragon spells become less useful with the the higher tier characters maxing out their offense scores

  • Rand - He can’t max out his offense rating and healing is less useful if you abuse cooking because you shouldn’t die except to instant kill spells.

C Tier

  • Nina and Bleu - Once you max out the whole S and A tier characters’ offense scores, then attack magic becomes useless. Nina is slightly better because Bleu’s Shed becomes useless with cooking abuse and Banish can still be useful to avoid random encounters with monsters that have instant death magic.

This is the definitive tiers list for Breath of Fire 3

S Tier (characters that should be in the party at all times if possible)

  • Hero - He can do anything well, the problem is choosing whether to make him a damage dealer or healer, since he is the best healer in the game and his dragon forms make him the best damage dealer as well

  • Rei - He doesn’t have Ryu’s stats or versatility, but having him lead the party in Chain Formation guarantees your whole party extra turns, which effectively doubles your damage output and gives you plenty of time to heal. His Pilfer skill is also necessary to get you good gear and items, including Ryu’s ultimate weapon. Rei’s biggest problems are that his defense is terrible and he rejoins midway through the game at a modestly high level, making him not too customizable.

A Tier (use one depending on how you use Ryu)

  • Peco - He sucks when he first joins, but he can be molded to do anything you want through Masters, he has the highest HP, AP, counter attack rate, and regeneration. He works best as a physical attacker due to his counters. Use Peco if Ryu is your main healer.

  • Momo - She is the only other competent healer besides Ryu and has stat boosting magic. She can do good damage, but can’t counter or crit. Use her if you have Ryu as a damage dealer

B Tier
Garr - Peco outclasses him if you build Peco correctly. Garr is only an option for those too lazy or impatient to build Peco up to be a physical attacker.

C Tier

  • Nina - She just plain sucks. Physical attacks tend to be more useful than magic attacks, her magic costs way too much AP, and she dies too damn quickly. Only use her if the game forces you to or to avoid using Peco until the mid game when the better Masters become available.
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Thanks! I also have qualms with that BoF2 list :confused: Bleu is top tier without question and so is Nina, despite being worse than Bleu. So, imo

S: Ryu, Bleu
A: Katt, Nina, Rand
B: Bow
C: Sten, Jean
D: Spar

As for BoF 1, I would put Nina along with Karn and Bleu, Bo is awesome in the begining and alright late game, the others can eat a dick.

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What forum are you talking about? I’d like to check that out.